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Livestock => Sheep => Topic started by: kris on October 31, 2015, 10:58:17 pm

Title: RAMS which are you using or which would you use?
Post by: kris on October 31, 2015, 10:58:17 pm
 looking to see what rams  people are using  and have used and how they  got on with them?
 i have  use texle  - great shape lambs  didnt grow as  fast as i would have liked
  texle cross Charolais  good cross small lambs at birth  quicker growth  than  pure tex  slow at the start
 suffolks  - good size lambs grow well   found them  hardy  at birth
 beltex  big heads at birth   i found them to  grow  slow but fantastic shape

 i want to  try, well  im going to  oxford down ram the  rare  breed  ive researched them  for a while  and i know some one who breeds them  they are huge sheep  and wow the grow fast  they  get there lambs from birth to finish wieght  of 42kg between  12-16 weeks of age  off good quality  pasture  and a Small amount creep

 has anyone else  used them  ?


Title: Re: RAMS which are you using or which would you use?
Post by: Hillview Farm on November 01, 2015, 07:15:14 am
I put my Suffolk mules and a few others to my charollais ram and they are away at 12weeks On average  grass alone.  Killing out perfectly weight wise with a good amount of fat. Even a Shetland cross charollais was fantastic!

lambs all quick to feed and hardy. :)
Title: Re: RAMS which are you using or which would you use?
Post by: Me on November 01, 2015, 08:33:37 am
Lleyn ram on the good Lleyn ewes, Charmoise on the others, Charmoise on the Charmoise 
Title: Re: RAMS which are you using or which would you use?
Post by: trish.farm on November 01, 2015, 09:35:12 am
Romney ram on Romney ewes and all the others, (mixture of everything!).  All lambs away at around 7 months, fantastic carcasses.  Lovely skins to get tanned.  Used a Hampshire down ram last year for the first time, great carcasses, skins not so good and had to pull a lot of lambs.  Back to my Romney this year.  also Romney rams very docile, not too big, easy to handle.
Title: Re: RAMS which are you using or which would you use?
Post by: Marches Farmer on November 01, 2015, 10:21:31 am
Southdown bred pure and also on Badger Face.  Rareley have to pull a SD, never a BF.  Excellent carcase on both and up and suckling within minutes. 
Title: Re: RAMS which are you using or which would you use?
Post by: Castle Farm on November 01, 2015, 11:35:15 am
Lleyn rams on Lleyn ewes produces a first class lamb that finishes on grass.


Easy lambers, loads of milk. Lambs look to get up and survive.


No wonder they are gaining in popularity.
Title: Re: RAMS which are you using or which would you use?
Post by: waterbuffalofarmer on November 01, 2015, 11:50:43 am
I'm currently using a pure, pedigree Lleyn ram, the guy I bought him from measures the Carcass index and takes the breeding very seriously. The lambs he has produced were ready at 3-4 months old, off grass, and the lambs didn't need any concentrates at all, were very strong and lively from birth and grew perfectly, had hardly any cases of pulling lambs and very few triplets. All in all a really good lambing. Am really looking forward to lambing next year :excited: It really depends on how good the ram is, how he has been bred and so forth, which am sure you all know. I bred from Charolais a few years back, even when I crossed them with Lleyn the meat was horrible, fine the lambs grew fast, but I am looking for quality over quantity (to that end I decided to breed pure Lleyn). I have found welsh x Lleyn has been very good meat, very sweet and tender. Suffolks, beltex, texels and Charolais, I have found, produce horrible meat, even just off good grass, lamb should be sweet and tender and not bland. 
Title: Re: RAMS which are you using or which would you use?
Post by: Rosemary on November 01, 2015, 12:54:33 pm
Pure Ryeland. Eight tup lambs away last week averaged 26kg, range 23 - 29kg. No creep; lambed between 24th Match and about 5th April. I could have put them away amonth eariler I guess but they're all for private sale and a six month life seems reasonable to me.
Title: Re: RAMS which are you using or which would you use?
Post by: Hellybee on November 01, 2015, 07:51:16 pm
Lleyn  :wave:
Title: Re: RAMS which are you using or which would you use?
Post by: RPF on November 01, 2015, 07:57:25 pm
I'm trying a Charolais on my Southdowns and Oxford ewes. The outcome could be interesting.
Title: Re: RAMS which are you using or which would you use?
Post by: Remy on November 01, 2015, 08:24:41 pm
I've experimented with many, but have normally used a pure Ryeland crossed with Charolais and commercial crosses/mules, have had some very good lambs, never give them creep, only grass.  I've not tried them myself so can't comment on taste.


This year I'm trying a Texel x Lleyn and Texel x Suffolk on my ewes, just for a change to see what transpires!
Title: Re: RAMS which are you using or which would you use?
Post by: littleacorn on November 01, 2015, 08:53:50 pm
Oxfords are great!  :love:
Title: Re: RAMS which are you using or which would you use?
Post by: bloomer on November 01, 2015, 10:12:19 pm
Rocky the wonder shetland has 10 wives this year to service 9 shetland and 1Ryeland...   He's currently pacing the fenceline waiting for Thursday...

Title: Re: RAMS which are you using or which would you use?
Post by: Hillview Farm on November 02, 2015, 06:30:19 am
I'm trying a Charolais on my Southdowns and Oxford ewes. The outcome could be interesting.

I put some southdowns to my charollais this year and the lambs where amazing! Killed out beautifully and the carcass scored very well. I sent them for private kill and the slaughter house begged me to sell it to them for their shop!
Title: Re: RAMS which are you using or which would you use?
Post by: Me on November 02, 2015, 10:42:54 am
For less than it was worth? If not why not sell it and breed more? 
Title: Re: RAMS which are you using or which would you use?
Post by: Foobar on November 02, 2015, 11:09:44 am
Pure BWM on BWM ewes.  If I was to cross them I think I would go with a Lleyn ram or similar.  I'd never use a fast growing terminal sire as I feel that would impact the taste too much.  I prefer slow growing animals that are full of flavour.


I'd really like to produce a shedding black sheep ... but living in Wales I'm not sure how well shedding sheep would cope with all the rain?
Title: Re: RAMS which are you using or which would you use?
Post by: Porterlauren on November 02, 2015, 04:53:01 pm
Foobar - There are already shedding black sheep, some easy cares do come out black very occasionally and I know a man who has used exlana rams across the last of his parents bwm (inherited with the farm) to produce a shedding back sheep.

R.E Shedding sheep and welsh rain  . . . . . . . . the original easy care breed developed in the 60's were bred on Anglesey, and there are plenty of people (myself included) who run shedders in rainy wales!

All this talk of taste . . . . . . . . I honestly think some people are fantasists. . . . . although some rare and minority breeds give what is defiantly a different tasting meat, when it comes to most other breeds, there is far far more in the butchering, hanging and cooking that effects the taste than the ram used!
Title: Re: RAMS which are you using or which would you use?
Post by: Sbom on November 02, 2015, 05:18:48 pm
Aberfield on Romneys
Blue texel on zwartbles this year
Aber Romneys finish on grass alone and grade really well, tex/zwa is a trial as the pure zwartbles take forever to finish
Title: Re: RAMS which are you using or which would you use?
Post by: kris on November 02, 2015, 10:00:49 pm
 well  more on my ram  front  i have  spoke to a couple of breeders regarding oxford downs and going to see  some Wednesday   i know they are pedigree  but i am after the  quality and shape   they are reasonably priced as well  they are proven  shear lings  which  is a bonus at least they have proven  they  can  perform
Title: Re: RAMS which are you using or which would you use?
Post by: mab on November 02, 2015, 11:01:39 pm
easycares in rainy wales here too.

I'm planning on using a lleyn ram lamb this year as my neighbour has offered one for free and with 9 easycare ewe lambs from this year I've probably got enough ewe's for now, and next years crossed lambs can all go. No idea how the cross will go but as the lleyns are quite chunky I've decided not to let him near this years ewelambs  - they'll wait 'til next year.
Title: Re: RAMS which are you using or which would you use?
Post by: Marches Farmer on November 03, 2015, 08:56:35 am
I once had a tutorial on meat quality with a master butcher who lectured in the subject and he reckoned that Portland was the sweetest lamb, followed by Southdown. 
Title: Re: RAMS which are you using or which would you use?
Post by: devonlady on November 03, 2015, 09:13:52 am
I used a Texel on Jacobs last year, was a wee bit worried as the Jacobs were shearlings but, though I had to assist at one birth they were fine. Big, strong lambs that grew well on grass and were sent off at 20 weeks. Really good weights and little fat and the meat is lovely!
Title: Re: RAMS which are you using or which would you use?
Post by: beagh-suffolks on November 03, 2015, 04:17:12 pm
for the crossbred flock we use  an ile de france ram on the suffolk crossed ewes,  we have found this makes for a very quick growing and easy lambing and lovely tasting lamb  :D
Title: Re: RAMS which are you using or which would you use?
Post by: Azzdodd on November 04, 2015, 05:48:58 pm
Texel ram on various cross bred ewes mainly cheviot X Welsh or along them lines. All lambs go into a box ewe lambs included. All ewes lambed unassisted this year in the field hardy an all went beetween June/July of grass alone.

Title: Re: RAMS which are you using or which would you use?
Post by: Me on November 04, 2015, 06:26:47 pm
I once had a tutorial on meat quality with a master butcher who lectured in the subject and he reckoned that Portland was the sweetest lamb, followed by Southdown.

Only the second best MF!!
Title: Re: RAMS which are you using or which would you use?
Post by: nimbusllama on November 05, 2015, 08:09:23 am
Castlemilk Moorit ram on 3 CM ewes and one Torwen Badgerface ewe, and he goes in today!  :excited: .... this is a crossbred ewe lamb (one of twins) from the Torwen this year...
Title: Re: RAMS which are you using or which would you use?
Post by: Big Benny Shep on November 07, 2015, 09:18:02 pm
We are using 2 half Dutch texel x texel, 4 pure texel and a lleyn, possibly looking for a charmoise next year tho
Title: Re: RAMS which are you using or which would you use?
Post by: Marches Farmer on November 07, 2015, 09:26:41 pm
I once had a tutorial on meat quality with a master butcher who lectured in the subject and he reckoned that Portland was the sweetest lamb, followed by Southdown.

Only the second best MF!!
That's what he said.  I've never tasted :Portland so I couldn't possibly comment!
Title: Re: RAMS which are you using or which would you use?
Post by: Marches Farmer on November 07, 2015, 09:30:43 pm
well  more on my ram  front  i have  spoke to a couple of breeders regarding oxford downs and going to see  some Wednesday   i know they are pedigree  but i am after the  quality and shape   they are reasonably priced as well  they are proven  shear lings  which  is a bonus at least they have proven  they  can  perform
There were some nice OD's at the Welsh NSA ram sale this year.  Very good conformation and not overfat - some of the Texels could hardly waddle into their pens and heard several instances of Texel Throat.