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Smallholding => Buildings & planning => Topic started by: Loraine on September 21, 2015, 04:52:55 pm
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HELP NEEDED PLEASE
We have found some land 12.5 acres
We have had estimates for electricity connection and bringing it onto the land is achievable but the supply will be some way from the field access.
We aim to apply for permitted development for a barn on a 28 day notice, however we can only put it near the electricity supply and not move the electricity as the cost is too high.
So given that it will be away from the access of the filed will this cause a problem with planning? Or can we request the location of the barn?
Thanking you in anticipation of your help
Loraine
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you don't need electric for the barn…a genny will do
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Or a torch!
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As a matter of interest what is the electricity cost? I would like to put a supply in my field as it has a lot of use for me and it would be good to have a heated room for the chap who hovers there (he has early onset dementia and has an allotment and some animals now at mine because it gives him structure). He is a friend who has had a change of circumstances.
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we made a small brick building just for meter
and put cable under ground to building
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I would talk to your planning authority. Explain fully and get their advice. It's free.
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I would talk to your planning authority. Explain fully and get their advice. It's free.
Some councils don't offer a free answering service, i was quoted £40
the free advice i was given turned out to be wrong,. the £40 was for a reply by an actual planing officer, not one of the office staff
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Ours charge you £54 to tell you if you need to apply planning permission for a satellite dish.Then charge you for planning if its needed
I would submit your 28 day notice with your required position , explain why.
If they refuse go to appeal some councils are real pains
Main criteria is its more than 25 meters from road
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Sorry if some councils are not free for advice. I'm in the Lake District National Park and they have an officer at the end of the phone each morning and it costs nothing to talk to them.
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Thank you for your help
Loraine
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Depending on the supply you need - I would advise as above - build a small building for the meter then if you flush run amoured cable to the barn - or just stick some cooker wire down the middle of 20mm alco pipe.
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I agree with the above, if you put your barn away from the access you will then need (I'm guessing) to install a track to get to it with vehicles in the winter. A length of cable will be cheaper than a length of hardcore track.
As above, build a small meter cabinet just where the supply enters your field...then run a cable to your barn which is yours and private...so just the cost of the cable and connections at each end. Ideally armoured cable buried in a trench....but depending how far it is you could even run off an extension lead over land..depending how far it is and what you want to power and security issues.
I don't think you need a specialist contractor to bury your own cable, but I'm sure someone will soon advice if I'm wrong, however there are recognised standards , and you only do it once...so do it right, to the correct depth and with marker tape.
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I would talk to your planning authority. Explain fully and get their advice. It's free.
Some councils don't offer a free answering service, i was quoted £40
the free advice i was given turned out to be wrong,. the £40 was for a reply by an actual planing officer, not one of the office staff
Does not surprise me but not all planning officers supply you with factual information
i would go as far as saying some are clueless
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There are lockable water resisting power supply cabinets that can be set on a compatible plinth or on concreted in posts or a fixed to a stand alone solid brick wall 1200 mm or so tall 9 built on a proper concrete foundation with a damp course .
TLC- direct item number CM SB10010025 is an IP^% coated steel box a metre by a metre by 250 deep
GRP Feeder Pillars & Cabinets , sell a wall mountable external meter box for around £ 35 .
How does that compare cost wise with you constructing a specific building ?
They will hold a meter and a small consumer unit plus a couple of sockets and switches .. often used as temporary supply boxes on small building plots where an electric mixer and a kettle in a shed are going to be used during the construction period .
For my farm supply cabinet I purchases one of the big double door-ed fibre glass telecom's cabinets that stood on a 200 mm plastic plinth as I had six heavy SWA cables going into it through the concreted in plinth via sealed up ducts .
I ran the steel wire armoured in ducting into it & from it to all the new buildings . The reason for the use of ducting was that for a few pounds more to me it was sensible should I change use of the buildings & they needed more power I could then pull in a new heaver cable system .
When we sold up it was one of the unique selling points we offered to potential buyers ..
ie. Electrics easily & cheaply up-datable due to all the underground cables being in 3 inch ducts
Marcus aka MAB here on site may have even better ideas as he does electrics professionally .
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You dont need any certificates or planning to dig a trench and supply your barn with power. Just make sure you over engineer it and not under engineer it.
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There are lockable water resisting power supply cabinets that can be set on a compatible plinth or on concreted in posts or a fixed to a stand alone solid brick wall 1200 mm or so tall 9 built on a proper concrete foundation with a damp course .
TLC- direct item number CM SB10010025 is an IP^% coated steel box a metre by a metre by 250 deep
GRP Feeder Pillars & Cabinets , sell a wall mountable external meter box for around £ 35 .
How does that compare cost wise with you constructing a specific building ?
They will hold a meter and a small consumer unit plus a couple of sockets and switches .. often used as temporary supply boxes on small building plots where an electric mixer and a kettle in a shed are going to be used during the construction period .
For my farm supply cabinet I purchases one of the big double door-ed fibre glass telecom's cabinets that stood on a 200 mm plastic plinth as I had six heavy SWA cables going into it through the concreted in plinth via sealed up ducts .
I ran the steel wire armoured in ducting into it & from it to all the new buildings . The reason for the use of ducting was that for a few pounds more to me it was sensible should I change use of the buildings & they needed more power I could then pull in a new heaver cable system .
When we sold up it was one of the unique selling points we offered to potential buyers ..
ie. Electrics easily & cheaply up-datable due to all the underground cables being in 3 inch ducts
Marcus aka MAB here on site may have even better ideas as he does electrics professionally .
I'm just doing this now for our new supply. We're getting 100A 3ph supply and so the required dimensions are 2x1x1m. At this size the GRP kiosks/cabinets are £1500+
The materials for a block building are in the region of £200-300 including concrete base