The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Livestock => Goats => Topic started by: mojocafa on July 12, 2015, 08:21:53 am
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I have mistakenly left a gate open.....
Resulting in my billie having unlimited access to 10 female pygmy goats for the day.
If any of the girls have been serviced :innocent:, I would ideally like to know who.
Can anyone recommend someone that can scan in the angus area.
And at what point would I scan?
And as my hubby has pointed out , it was a good job it was me that left the gate open as if it was anyone else I would have been :rant:
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10 females! That's a lot of potential kids!!!
Sorry, I don't know anything about scanning, etc, sorry. x
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With a buffalo you can scan at 4 weeks, but it only becomes easy to see at 6 weeks. I would say about 4 weeks minimum. Hope this helps. How big is the Billie goat? The problem is of course that the kids might be too big. If you don't want them in kid I would suggest seperating them all and put them in a secure pen or building where he cannot get to them, or put him in a secure building, and get the vet out to give them prostaglandin. Prostaglandin brings animals into season, but it also gets rid of any unborn animal. Hope this helps.
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Is there something the vet could prescribe for them as a form of "morning after pill"?
The answer is prostaglandin
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Id say at this time if the year it would be unlikely that any of them would be coming into season but not impossible ,scanning goats is an art so if you do find someone can you let me know ,prostaglandin wont bring them into season untill they have natural we started to cycle !
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Goats are not buffalo. Buffalo are like cattle where scanning is done via the rectum, this means there is little between the scanner and uterus so can be done from 4 weeks with an experienced scanner. However goats, especially pygmy goats are far too small for that, so are scanned via the belly. This means the foetus needs to be much larger to detect, so sheep and goats are normally scanned from 55-90 days. You would be best to find a professional sheep scanner in the area to detect pregnancies around that time. As already suggested, goats are seasonal breeders so are unlikely to
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have been in season. If he is not a much bigger billy where kids could be hard to deliver, it is unlikely to be a problem. Prostaglandins are licensed to cause abortion in cattle up to 100 days of pregnancy, less reliably after this date. Again, though, goats are not buffalo or cattle and have a slightly different way of maintaining pregnancy so although sometimes prostaglandin will work, it would generally be used in combination with steroid in sheep or goats and still not guaranteed success.
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The local sheep scanner has scanned my angora goats.
He got them all right except one that had only just missed a season that he said wasn't pregnant that went on to have twins.
They were scanned about new year and kidded in March.
Pygmies might be a bit small though and need a vet to scan them or a farmer with plenty of patience.
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I know you scan them like sheep but I would say about maybe a month before you could tell if there was something and not just fluid there, i may be wrong. Something else you could feed them is a lot of penny royal and raspberry leaf.
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Goats are not buffalo. Buffalo are like cattle where scanning is done via the rectum, this means there is little between the scanner and uterus so can be done from 4 weeks with an experienced scanner. However goats, especially pygmy goats are far too small for that, so are scanned via the belly. This means the foetus needs to be much larger to detect, so sheep and goats are normally scanned from 55-90 days. You would be best to find a professional sheep scanner in the area to detect pregnancies around that time. As already suggested, goats are seasonal breeders so are unlikely to
That is the only instance in which buffaloes are like cattle.
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I would say about maybe a month before you could tell if there was something and not just fluid there, i may be wrong.
Again I repeat, 55-90 days for scanning sheep. I am a vet, so years of training probably means I might be more correct than your googling the answers.
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We had a man in to scan our sheep this year and he did the goats as well. He is based around Inverurie I think, so probably wouldn't go as far as Angus. However, he is very good and will do small numbers so if anyone wants his contact details, let me know.
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I would say about maybe a month before you could tell if there was something and not just fluid there, i may be wrong.
Again I repeat, 55-90 days for scanning sheep. I am a vet, so years of training probably means I might be more correct than your googling the answers.
I guessed from my experience with some species
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Guessing, when you then get the answer completely wrong is worse than saying nothing.
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Wbf ,posting your best guesses based on experience with other species is unhelpful at best and down right dangerous at worst .on another thread you say I'm being offensive by making a tounge in cheek comment .I find a lot of the utter rubbish you post ,sometimes not even connected to the thread in question offensive ! So i guess we are quits !!! Please think before you post ,ie is what I'm about to post relevant to either the thread title or the direction the comments have gone ? If not don't post ! We all like a wee laugh and a joke sometimes but when drivel is posted and experts tel you its drivel take it as something learnt and leave it at that ,and if you don't k ow what your talking about don't post as it leads people up the garden path to confusedshire !!!
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When I was younger I had difficulty controlling my anger, since then I have learnt to control my anger. Shouting abuse at someone doesn't get you anywhere, in fact it is fundamentally wrong to hurl abuse at people, if you feel the need to rebuke someone then ask them nicely don't rush in there with stuff you will regret later. I have seen a lot of stuff other people post as not good advice and I have not said a word of nastiness to them I have let them be. If you must rebuke my comments then please do so nicely and sensibily. Oh and by the way raspberry leaf and penny royal are herbal alternatives to get rid of unwanted unborn animals.
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Also I said 4 weeks minimum cause it never quite registered than sheep and goats take longer to form their offspring i admit i was wrong in that respect. I know that i said prostoglandin, but i have never asked the vet whether it could be used for smaller animals than bovine, i have never used it for smaller animals at all. Prostoglandin came to mind cause its the drug which the vets always talk about when it comes to abortion in animals. I was only trying to be helpful, there is no need to hurl abuse at all.
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Could we stick to talking about the animals and not the people. I usually find this forum very interesting and full of different advice and experience. Disagreeing with advice is all fine but no need to get personal. None of that helps the person with the escaped goat and consequences.
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I agree
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Can you all play nice please, I'm having a bad day and 24hrs timeout for breaking Tas rules is an option I'm willing to consider for anyone...
Keep it on topic,
Don't make it personal,
If it's bad advice/poorly worded post a correction explaining why a previous poster is wrong is fine so long as it's courteous.
For all of you lovely people in Tas land thank you for all the lovely reports in my inbox, this is very welcome and the correct way to deal with issues on the board.
Stay safe, play nice, 24 timeouts are a last resort but you have all been warned.
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Id love to know why you having a bad day should have any effect on interpretation of tas rules bloomer ,my point is not aimed at one person merely anyone posting unhelpfull drivel where animals health and welfare is concerned should be controlled by the mods ! I shouldn't have to do your jobs as mods as I'm not suited to It as I'm a bit headstrong but surely facts are facts and drivel is drivel !!! But drivel I some cases can kill facts cant !
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:wave: hello people
Just come on and I am going to lock thread . Should have mentioned that billie is a small pygmy, will now let nature take its course, pygmies go into season monthly so it's likely that 1 or 2 may have been caught.
Ideally don't want to be kidding this side of winter but it's happened and we shall deal with it. I'm not the first person to leave a gate open and I won't be the last!