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Livestock => Pigs => Topic started by: discus-mad on December 13, 2009, 02:07:18 pm
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This is what we were busy with lastnight . 2 of our registered pedigree OSB sows ( half sisters ) farrowed at the same time. Ansty Dandy and Ansty Clarissa to our Ansty Alistair boar . One had 12 and the other 8. Looks as tho quite afew will be registerable ;D
Regards Guy.
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Ah!!
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Awww, lovely!
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Poor mum :)
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Shuffle 'em up and have 10-all?!
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Which line is the top litter from guy? I will be interested in a gilt if they maintain that coulouring, and have decent teats so to speak! ;-)
Can you let me know the reg number of the sire so i can check it will be ok to line breed a gilt with our Alistair boar?
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Congratulations!
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Shuffle 'em up and have 10-all?!
Erm ! Can't do that or our bloodlines would be mixed up !
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Which line is the top litter from guy? I will be interested in a gilt if they maintain that coulouring, and have decent teats so to speak! ;-)
Can you let me know the reg number of the sire so i can check it will be ok to line breed a gilt with our Alistair boar?
I'll check Billy
Breed : OS
Litter Ref : 64103
Registration No : R001140OS
Name : Ansty Alistair 7
Ear No. : NDR/492
Breeder : NDR - Mr D Norman
Owner : 86072 - Ms Arlene Morley
Sex : M
Fecundity : (6 - 5)
Date of Birth : 22/08/2008
Sire : R000573OS - Shutevale Alistair 25A (HNL/25A)
Dam : R000191OS - Foxhoundfarm Mary (MDP/8)
Status : Alive
Teats :
NS/AI/ET : N-
Date Registered : 17/08/2009
Volume no : 2009
Top litter---------
Breed : OS
Litter Ref : 63235
Registration No : R000825OS
Name : Ansty Dandy 9
Ear No. : NDR/430
Breeder : NDR - Mr D Norman
Owner : 86072 - Ms Arlene Morley
Sex : F
Fecundity : (7 - 5)
Date of Birth : 31/03/2008
Sire : R000573OS - Shutevale Alistair 25A (HNL/25A)
Dam : R000009OS - Deangrove Dandy 10 (DEA/205)
Status : Alive
Teats :
NS/AI/ET : N-
Date Registered : 03/07/2008
Volume no : 2008
Bottom litter------
Breed : OS
Litter Ref : 63575
Registration No : R000830OS
Name : Ansty Clarissa 7
Ear No. : NDR/438
Breeder : NDR - Mr D Norman
Owner : 86072 - Ms Arlene Morley
Sex : F
Fecundity : (11 - 9)
Date of Birth : 13/04/2008
Sire : R000688OS - Ansty Alexander 3 (NDR/280)
Dam : R000691OS - Ansty Clarissa 4 (NDR/286)
Status : Alive
Teats :
NS/AI/ET : N-22/12/2007
Date Registered : 03/07/2008
Volume no : 2008
There you are mate. Will also get Arlene to take some pics of the feed bins , now we have some decent camera batterys .
Regards Guy.
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Lovely early Xmas gift.
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Lovely stuff. Like Billy I would be interested in a gilt. Where are you?
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Lovely stuff. Like Billy I would be interested in a gilt. Where are you?
Hi Carl.
East yorks .
Regards Guy.
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S.YORKS, so i will be in touch.
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Hi Carl.
07961288285 ask for Arlene.
Many thanks Guy.
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Have I read that right!
Is alastair, father of piglets, a half brother to mother of piglets, Dandy??
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Have I read that right!
Is alastair, father of piglets, a half brother to mother of piglets, Dandy??
Looks that way. These sows were bought in pig to that boar . But she is going to be put back in pig to our new Jack boar .
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It's called line breeding, a little closer to the wire than I would do but it is quite acceptable and fairly common.
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Too close for my liking, acceptable or not!
It amazes me that the BPA registers them. Or maybe the onus should be on the owner/breeder not to litter notify the offspring , but then registered piglets command more money!!
I'm not looking for a fight here, but I personally find line breeding dispicable! Maybe I think too much of animals to have brother and sister mating. Was this not one of the situations that the Kennel Club found themselves chastised for?
Not acceptable or common on my farm!
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I agree with you, they are too closely related, but it is common. I have to say though I am surprised the Ansty herd is breeding pigs this closely related assuming they did come straight from the breeder guy?
Also Guy when is Arlene going to get round to registering with the BPA - be a shame to miss out on registering quality gilts :-)
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Too close for my liking, acceptable or not!
It amazes me that the BPA registers them. Or maybe the onus should be on the owner/breeder not to litter notify the offspring , but then registered piglets command more money!!
I'm not looking for a fight here, but I personally find line breeding dispicable! Maybe I think too much of animals to have brother and sister mating. Was this not one of the situations that the Kennel Club found themselves chastised for?
Not acceptable or common on my farm!
1. These sows were bought from David Norman ( Breed Representative ) and were running with the said boar at the time.
So not our idea to line breed.( I do tend to think he knows what he is doing ).
2. Wether registered piglets command more money .
I don't need to sell 1 piglet as we can use all we breed through our shop. I choose too , so others have stock to breed from .
Regards Guy
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I agree with you, they are too closely related, but it is common. I have to say though I am surprised the Ansty herd is breeding pigs this closely related assuming they did come straight from the breeder guy?
Also Guy when is Arlene going to get round to registering with the BPA - be a shame to miss out on registering quality gilts :-)
She has got things sorted Billy so will birth notified shortly.
Regards Guy.
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So not our idea to line breed.( I do tend to think he knows what he is doing ).
I didn't actually say you were to blame but it I furiates me that a breed representative does that. My election proposal application came in today, maybe I should change breed and oust him!!
Was it a sneaky curlywurly in the sty, and they kept their affair secret?
I'd never dream of coming on here condoning others practices but, again, not for me and not on my farm!!
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I'm not looking for a fight here, but I personally find line breeding dispicable! Maybe I think too much of animals to have brother and sister mating. Was this not one of the situations that the Kennel Club found themselves chastised for?
Not acceptable or common on my farm!
I think you are confusing line breeding with inbreeding.
Father to daughter; Mother to son; brother to sister is inbreeding
Uncle to niece, grandson to grandmother etc is line breeding.
Line breeding sets type and is practised by experienced breeders who know what is behind their lines. They know, or should do, the faults as well as the good points they will create. Inbreeding is certainly not condoned by the KC but the kc cannot force any breeder to use either method. it can only advise and recommend. It does that on a regular basis and always has done.
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It was actually Billy who called it line breeding, but regardless of it's title, I don't feel it's acceptable for me!
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They're beautiful! :love: