The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Livestock => Sheep => Topic started by: Rusal on September 14, 2014, 07:09:36 pm
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We've got about two acres of pasture that we think we'd like to keep sheep on. We're in mid wales, not far from Llandysul, and looking around their seems to be quite a mixture of sheep about locally. As newbs what would be a good breed to start off with.
We've been told that we could easily keep up to 6 sheep on the land, fairly level and good grass. but I'm not sure if we should just have a couple of ewes and breed from them. A local farmer has 14 Texels on the land at the moment, to keep the grass down, but there's only been a pair of Kuni Kuni's and a couple of geese on the land for the last 8 years.
Any suggestions?
Russ and Sally
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What do you like the look of?
Perhaps visit some sales just to look and chat, there's the sheep fair at Llandovery at the end of the month.
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The Llandovery sheep sale on 28th of Sept is only for coloured sheep. I am hopefully selling 2 Coloured Ryeland ram lambs there. Last year there was some very nice sheep there.
Definitely worth a look as there will be quite a number of different breeds there.
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We have a variety of sheep here, all brought locally; my favourites at the Poll Dorsets but dad likes Beulah Speckle Faces. We also have Welsh Blacks, Welsh Whites and a Badger Face.
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Sally's idea of going to the Sheep Festival in Llandovery and visiting the market to see different breeds is a good idea. If you have only room for a few then remember breeding from just 2 requires a ram (so 3) and within 2 years you could have too many.... but you could rent some more :innocent:.
You are very welcome to visit here to see Llanwenogs (bit like Shaun the sheep) and ask any questions.
Linda (in Talley)
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Hi yes there are loads to choose from, everyone keeps what works for them or they like the look of, my advice is just go for something you warm to. We keep Lleyn and Charmoise not far from you which you could see. Most people with only a few sheep go for rare breedy types to add a little more interest but if you want to see the most average looking white sheep in the world you can come and see the Lleyn!
In your area are GF Dartmoors, a very nice flock of Cotswolds, a few Teeswaters, Gotlands, Llanwenogs if you were feeling local etc etc
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I am local and have Ryelands and Coloured Ryelands. Love my :sheep: :sheep: :sheep:
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Ryelands, Coloured Ryelands!!
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You could start out by putting a toe in the water and buying stores, taking them on to slaughter weight and then selling them at market. This is a cheap option to find out if you like keeping sheep and not involving too much money. Don't forget you'll need drinkers, hurdles, wormer, drench gun, foot shears, dagging shears, Tim Tynes book on sheep keeping ......
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You could start out by putting a toe in the water and buying stores, taking them on to slaughter weight and then selling them at market. This is a cheap option to find out if you like keeping sheep and not involving too much money. Don't forget you'll need drinkers, hurdles, wormer, drench gun, foot shears, dagging shears, Tim Tynes book on sheep keeping ......
This is a great piece of advice
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You are very welcome to visit here to see Llanwenogs (bit like Shaun the sheep) and ask any questions.
Linda (in Talley)
I always assumed Shaun the sheep was a Suffolk, so I had to go and have a look at a pic of Llanwenogs and compare them with my Shaun the Sheep backpack ( ::)) - You're right - he's a Llanwenog ;D
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The advice to buy stores, finish them and take them to market, is ok. . . . . and I understand where it comes from.
BUT, with the current store price vs finished price, and how it's set to look for the near future, you may well invest a bit of money in sheep, quite a lot in gear, and then (especially if you dont have an 'eye' for judging if a sheep is finished) end up getting a crap price in market and being very much in the red.
If it was me, i'd figure out what you like and buy yourself a small group of ewe lambs, and maybe a couple of weathers, you can do with them the same as stores, but when ready, put the two weathers in your freezer, however they turn out, and will also have a batch of yearling ewes to start your flock with.
Just seems to me, if you are going to spend a winter caring for and learning about sheep, you'd be better ending up with a small breeding flock and meat in your freezer, than meat in your freezer and a hole in your pocket!
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Thanks for the ideas and advice. May well go to Llandovery to view some sheep. It's been on the to do list for some time. I quite like the look of some of the black faced sheep around here.
Looks like there is some reading to do in the meantime.
Russ
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Russ, if you go to Llandovery look me up. I will either be with my 2 Coloured ryeland lambs or in the tent spinning.
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Hi Russ & sally,
Rather depends on what you've got in mind for your sheep:- if they're pets/lawnmowers and maybe the odd lamb for the freezer then I would go for something nice to look at and primitive with fewer of the problems of commercial sheep IMHO and by all accounts taste better than commercial breeds (Shetlands would be my choice for e.g.). If you want something with nice wool then there are breeds for that (shetland again would suit); on the other hand you might want a docile breed if you're beginning and don't have a lot of hurdles, etc (Ryland are supposed to be docile IIRC?); or if you want a financial return (won't say profit, but maybe make enough to minimise your losses) then a commercial breed would suit.
As you may have guessed I've had shetlands and I do like them a lot; I'm currently trying Easycare: don't need to be sheared, less susceptible to flystrike, bred in Anglesey so suit Welsh climate - in theory, and ought to sell OK at market, if required, unlike small shetlands. but they are fairly big heavy sheep to handle and they eat like horses c.f. the shetlands). Still haven't decided if I like the breed or not...
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Lleyns, they re tough and sure footed, intelligent and cross well. Have recently had the white face llandovery catalogue, have left it in a very prominent place in the house hoping that his lord ship will take the hint ha!
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Tag along with a knowledgeable farmer neighbour to market for pointers on what makes a good sheep. I prefer to buy off farm where possible, so you can see the rest of the stock and how the farm's run.
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Thanks all for the advice. Decided to dip my toe in with four Torwen Ewe lambs. Not pedigree but look good to me. Now busy making hurdles and related items. They seem to have settled straight away and are grazing away in gale force winds.
Bought the Tim Tyne book for reference.