The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Community => Coffee Lounge => Topic started by: sellickbhoy on November 24, 2009, 09:19:09 am
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Hi
good morning, hope you are all well and the flood defences are holding, chooks are coping etc etc etc
Anyway, one for debate this morning.......
there are 200 coastal houses that are about to "go over the edge" as the coast line is being eroded. It may take up to 20 years to get all 200 of them, but the sea will get them eventually.
A local MP has proposed that the government buy and lease these properties back to their owners until the time comes when they need to leave.
Do you agree or disagree with this?
Some of these houses will have been in family homes for generations - unable to be sold as no one will be given a mortgage to buy it, others have been bought in the last few years
So lets here it.
Not a wildly controversial subject, but an intersting one all the same.
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Well we seem to pay for everything else at the moment. I really don't know, part of me says yes they should be helped and part of me says no they shouldn't. It always amazes me that every time something goes wrong if it's not the governments fault it is therefore their responsibility to fix or bail out. As soon as a big company hits financial problems they scream on the government for aid. I am a very small empolyer and if I went bust tomorrow it would just be tough luck for me.
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I suppose if the people get a fair price that would be great, then the owners would at least get something, otherwise they will be living in fear and worry about when they will drop over the edge and where will they go when they have. Just noticed the point you have made...who is to pay? I suppose knowone wants to pay but tax payers pay for a lot of things that they would not agree with but benefit some people in the community if not all....drug and alcohol projects....offenders projects...in the view to preventing further crime!!!when it works.All the costs of wars, weaponry....people who make themselves sick from over indulging...Prisoners...MP's Expenses...Other governments employees expenses....all those training events and corperate entertainment...The list goes on, so I think paying for these houses is a small cost....I expect he cost of preventing (if you could) the land slip, would go into millions.
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Naw, i think anyone who bought that house in the last 20 years should be told to GTF - this has been big news for a long time. Maybe they should sue the original surveyors who never mentioned the land erosion!!
those folk who have inherited it from family and haven't tried to borrow money against it - then fair enough, they can be given a council house until they are able to buy. If they don't have a mortgage on it - then they can do what the rest of us have to do if e want to own a property.
government gets involved in far far far too much.
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We know some one who was moaning and moaning about moving out due to subsidence, it was a council house, they refused so many houses and wanted money for the money they had spent decorating, I was amazed, anyone who buys a house is lucky to get more than the house cost over the years........the person had also never worked in thier lifes and I met them again last week and comented how well they look...benn off to SPain twice ::) ::) ::)Oh well, maybe a lesson to be learnt!!!
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I agree with Chris. If a house has been in a family for generations then they may not have had the expertise to know that the cliff would eventually erode to this extent, but as Chris says in the last 20 or even more years it has been in the news about the coast line eroding so why did they buy them? And consequently why should they be recompensed? I bought my house in the full knowledge that a bypass is on one side and a rail line on the other. It isn't a problem. In fact it's an advantage - a fairly new house, no neighbours to bother about and a good skelp of land right within the village and easy reach of all facilities. But I wouldn't expect to be bailed out if they decide to dual the by pass and increase the traffic on the line. I'm sure there are many people that don't have the perfect home to live in and wouldn't expect the Government (i.e. you and me) to pay up if it's situation worsened.
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Well if it was my house I would be grateful for some help. I and my family would have paid taxes, council tax etc. so I would hope that when I was in dire need someone (Govt / tax payer) would help me out.
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But no-one has said they are in dire need ::) Their houses may fall into the sea in the next 20 years or so. OK they can't sell their houses, but that has happened to a lot of other folk over the years and nobody bailed them out!
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Well if it was my house I would be grateful for some help. I and my family would have paid taxes, council tax etc. so I would hope that when I was in dire need someone (Govt / tax payer) would help me out.
so, if i buy a car and it breaks down the government should buy me a new one?
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Well if it was my house I would be grateful for some help. I and my family would have paid taxes, council tax etc. so I would hope that when I was in dire need someone (Govt / tax payer) would help me out.
so, if i buy a car and it breaks down the government should buy me a new one?
Good point!
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The thing with some of these cases ,( and I don't know if it is the case here or not ? ), is that councils were maintaining erosion defence barriers, until some time ago, when there was a change in their future plans . So on that basis it would really be the council who should sort either the defences out or recompense anyone who is going to lose their house . If councils decide to build a road where your house is they can just compulsory purchase it no matter how long you have lived there...they will do it and thats that ...so if property becomes at risk due to a councils change in strategy , then they should purchase these properties too ...
For areas where there was no such defence strategy , then tuff...if you don't have insurance ( and I doubt you would be able to get cover anyway , act of God and all that !!) . Sadly not all cases are as black and white as I have explained it here. I do feel sorry for the people , but life is a bitch ..and then you die...thats how the cookie crumbles ...along with the coastline it would seem !!!
cheers
Russ
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Caveat emptor!! ::)
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There you go again with the Latin Sandy!
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Juncta Juvant ::) ::)
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How does strength in numbers come into it? That's usually an accountancy legal term. And here's me thinking I'd forgotten all my Latin! ;) ::)
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People get together and support each other!!! Strengh in numbers!!
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Heres some latin for those who missed out on a classical education.
ALEA LACTA EST The die is cast.
AD INFINITUM indefinitely.
CARPE DIEM sieze the day.
EHEU FUGACES LABUNTUR ANNI. Oh how the years slip by.
PECCAVI I have sinned
EGO AUTEM DICO VOBIS; DILIGITE INIMICOS VESTROS, BENEFACITE HIS QUI ODERUNT VOS. love your enemies; be kind to those who hate you.
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I always have "CARPE DIEM" in my thoughts after watching Dead poets society years ago....I have sone so many things since then...if I really want to do something...I will have a go!!!! Now I really must carpe off!!!
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Took me back to my schooldays Sheila, amo, amas, amat etc!
JD