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Livestock => Pigs => Topic started by: sweet_lfa on August 16, 2014, 09:16:27 am
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Long story, but I will try to condense it. I had two 3 yr old kunekune gilts which seemed to be perfectly healthy. During the heatwave, one suddenly died. The other was very listless without her companion so I bought a 3 month old female piglet as a new companion. All fine so far. Three weeks after introducing the new piglet, the remaining gilt become very lame (yesterday morning). She was reluctant to rise and would not bear weight on her left hind leg. I called the vet who was not able to take a temperature or examine the leg very well, but suspected erysipelas and prescribed antiobiotics and pain killers which are in powder form which I have to give in feed for next five days. Pig had first lot last night. This morning, her condition seems worse. She is now holding up the opposite hind leg, and really struggled to get up this morning. She is still eating but her appetite is not what it usually is. She also had a drink this morning. I can't see any skin lesions. The piglet is fine and is showing no symptoms. Can anyone offer any advice? I will of course keep going with the meds, but just wanted some reassurance from some people who might know more about this than me. These are pet pigs by the way.
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Like any disease erysipelas can show symptoms of varying intensity and the disease will also vary according to the age of the pig, its condition, how early the treatment began, and so on. I suggest trying a few treats, such as apples or whatever's the favourite, to keep up interest in food - so vital to any recovering animal but especially so for pigs. Sounds like you're doing all you can. Sometimes you just have to cross your fingers and hope very hard.
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My pigs had it on two or three occasions, including our own home born piglets vaccinated with the double dose of PorcEry at the correct ages. Each time we had a problem could be linked to having introduced bought in weaners to our own herd, or a sow had come back from visiting a boar elsewhere. The critical thing when you seen those symptoms, listlessness, loss of appetite and weakness in the back legs, is to take their temperature at once, and if it is very high, start antibiotics as soon as possible, within hours or minutes if possible. The pigs who got antibiotics really fast always made the fullest and quickest recovery, and their temperature would be down within 24 hours. We had quite a range of skin lesions - some very obvious raised, red, diamond shaped things, others just a bit of a red blob and others no skin lesions at all. Mostly, skin lesions came on later than the high temperature. Fortunately we never lost a pig, but the speed they go downhill with it if left untreated is terrifying. They all went on to be perfectly normal pigs, normal weight at slaughter and the usual delicious pork at the end.
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Thanks guys. The vet attempted to take temperature but was unable to ::)
After doing some internet research I see that penicillin is very effective, but the vet hasn't given me penicillin!! I hope that she makes a recovery, as she is a much loved pet.
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Ours always had penicillin, Betamox, and injected not oral, to get it into their system, fast.
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Ours had it also by injection, they never went lame just ill (inc not eating and fever) and with the skin lesions. Try giving her bananas or apples with the medication on them if her appetite is down.
Good luck :fc:
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She's having her meds in mashed up banana as they've given me the most enormous sachets (for a 500kg horse!!). I do wonder about vets sometimes!
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What antibiotics has your vet given you? If your pig's eating, then hopefully the antibiotics will be hitting the spot, but I'd have thought injections would have been better. I know what you mean when you say you wonder about vets sometimes, but spare a wee bit of sympathy for them. no-one can know everything about all diseases in all animals: all vets have their areas of expertise. Most vets don't know an awful lot about pigs, especially rare breed pigs, because they don't see many! A good vet will acknowledge your own level of expertise and ability. I'f your pig's getting better, great :relief:
If not, I'd contact your vet and ask for some ultrapen LA injection!
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Sounds like you have either Trimadiazine or norodine? Both are TMPS which is a broad spectrum antibiotic.Ery is treated with penicillin. The pig isnt having one sachet a day is it?? Thats a hell of a lot of powder to get into it if it is and a massive dose too!! Hope it helps your pig and she starts to feel better soon though x.
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If your facilities didn't allow even enough restraint to take your pigs temperature I think that explains why you vet gave you oral meds rather than getting you to inject every day. Sometimes what appears to be the second best option is really the best for human & animal welfare. If she's still eating it looks promising for a good recovery. Things I've found also help appetite include gingernuts and stout.
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Sounds like you have either Trimadiazine or norodine? Both are TMPS which is a broad spectrum antibiotic.Ery is treated with penicillin. The pig isnt having one sachet a day is it?? Thats a hell of a lot of powder to get into it if it is and a massive dose too!! Hope it helps your pig and she starts to feel better soon though x.
Yes the vet gave us Trimediazine Plain (50g sachet!). I understand that being a vet is a difficult job, but was rather dismayed when she turned to the student who was observing and asked him if it was safe to give Bute to pigs.
Anyway, getting back to the pig. There was a definite improvement yesterday but she is not so good today. Vet coming back tomorrow.
Can they make a full recovery after this disease? I don't want to use her for breeding, but I don't want her to suffer for the rest of her life.
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Yes they can recover if caught quickly. Can you check her temperature? Penicillin is the best thing for it reall if you can manage to inject her
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If your pig is a pet and friendly, it shouldn't be too difficult taking its temperature. Most don't bat an eyelid, and it takes less than a minute. Use a bit of lubricant on the thermometer tip and insert it into the anus, the top hole (if it is a girl) and just hold it there very still. What their temperature is is key to knowing whether they've got Ery (40 to 42), and whether they are getting better. As I said in my first reply they recover completely if injected with penicillin at the very earliest opportunity. I've read, but have no experience, of the outlook not being good if the treatment was too late. Do hope your pig gets better - keep us posted.
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Use a bit of lubricant on the thermometer tip and insert it into the anus, the top hole (if it is a girl)
i did have to laugh at this - i hope to god that anyone keeping pigs will have enough knowledge to recognise an arsehole :roflanim: :roflanim:
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We lost two berkshires to eri last year. The second one we tried to treat repeatedly for two or three weeks but ultimately she died too. We never saw a lesion, they just became lethargic and stopped eating. Weight loss was obvious too. We injected them too. Good luck, I hope they pull through.
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She's not looking good. First batch of antibiotics and antiinflammatories didn't really help much. Vet came back last week (I was on holiday but housesitter was given instructions to call vet if there was any doubt). Vet gave another course of the same meds which she finished yesterday. I have just been to see her (back off hols today) and she is subdued and not really able to get up. She did eat the melon I gave her though. The first vet visit was the day she first went lame, so she was treated quickly. Her quality of life is crap though, so I think I will talk to vet tomorrow about penicillin and likelihood of recovery and if vet doesn't think there's much hope it looks like I'll have to make a horrible decision :(
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I am so sorry to hear that. If she still can not get up and walk around normally it does look bleak, and perhaps the kindest thing will be making the horrible decision. Very difficult for you, and you have my sympathy.
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She's not looking good. First batch of antibiotics and antiinflammatories didn't really help much. Vet came back last week (I was on holiday but housesitter was given instructions to call vet if there was any doubt). Vet gave another course of the same meds which she finished yesterday. I have just been to see her (back off hols today) and she is subdued and not really able to get up. She did eat the melon I gave her though. The first vet visit was the day she first went lame, so she was treated quickly. Her quality of life is crap though, so I think I will talk to vet tomorrow about penicillin and likelihood of recovery and if vet doesn't think there's much hope it looks like I'll have to make a horrible decision :(
How does her skin look now? Also, out of interest- why is she having oral antibiotics?
What has the vet prescribed?
Don't loose all hope, we managed to recover a pig that I thought was for the knacker men a few weeks ago :fc:
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How does her skin look now? Also, out of interest- why is she having oral antibiotics?
What has the vet prescribed?
Don't loose all hope, we managed to recover a pig that I thought was for the knacker men a few weeks ago :fc:
Thanks.
She never had any of the skin lesions (vet said it had manifested itself in her joints only). She was given oral antibiotics because the vet didn't think she'd be able to inject and therefore thought i certainly wouldn't be able to do any follow up jabs! She was prescribed Trimediazine Plain and Pro-Dynam on both occasions.
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So sorry to hear, we know what you're going through. Our Berkshire kept nibbling and drinking a bit and we were so hopeful for what seems now like a few weeks but she never really recovered and in the end she had what looked like a massive heart attack and died. The vet had told us that Eri can affect the heart muscles. It's all very sad, we said never again to unvac'd stock.
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So sorry to hear, we know what you're going through. Our Berkshire kept nibbling and drinking a bit and we were so hopeful for what seems now like a few weeks but she never really recovered and in the end she had what looked like a massive heart attack and died. The vet had told us that Eri can affect the heart muscles. It's all very sad, we said never again to unvac'd stock.
I'm worried about this happening to my pig. I have just spoken to the vet who said the next step is to try injecting a different antibiotic and painkiller daily for a week. Is this really fair on the pig?? Is it too late or could she make a recovery at this stage? I don't know what to do :(
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I would say it depends how the pig is in herself. If she looks fed up and like she has given up then call it a day. If there is still fight in her then may be worth a try x.
It is horrible when they are poorly and they are the worst animals in the world to nurse!! We had a really sick sow earlier this year after farrowing. She was definately down the tunnel and seeing the light she was so ill. Got vet to drip her up, she is a favourite sow of mine! We got her through it though and she has made a full recovery. peaches got her eating again. Xx
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Hiya. So sorry to hear. My mangaliza got ill after farrowing nd off her feed. However got some honey on my fingers nd got it into her mouth. It's pre digested by the bees so takes no energy from the sick animal to digest. Got 2 different antibods to get her right..good luck.
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Well, we tried with the penicillin. Sadly, it hasn't helped and I am going to call the vet to have her pts. If only vet had given me that in the first place, maybe she would have stood a chance. Poor girl, it's just dragged it out over a month now and I have a massive bill as the icing on the cake! Sometimes I'm not sure having pets is worth the heartbreak of losing them :(
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What very bad luck - I was so hoping there would be a happy ending to your story. It will be heartbreaking having to do the deed after all this time, but it is probably the kindest thing to do. Is your other piglet still OK? Perhaps you could look forward to getting another companion for him/her. Best wishes at this awful time :gloomy: :( :'( Tamsaddle
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So sorry. I know exactly what you're going through. We lost both our girls to it last year. All I can say is that our second girl had massive doses of penicillin and we really thought we had caught it at 'day 1' but we still lost her, so I am sure that everything that you did was more than enough. :hug: :hug: :hug: