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Livestock => Sheep => Topic started by: Tania on April 30, 2014, 10:14:03 am
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Our first born soay lamb (this year)four weeksold today - has changed overnight from being the strongest looking and one of the most playful to a lamb which looks (for want of a better description) slightly demented this morning. She didn't come with all the others at feed time this morning, tho' her mum was calling and fearing the worst, I went in search, to find her laying in a mud patch nibbling away furiously at her legs. Her head was covered in mud and looking at the ground beneath her it looked at though she had been in the same position for some time. She allowed me to handle her too easily and every time I stood her up she sank to the ground again and started chewing away, either at the ground or at her legs. I have checked her legs and can see nothing other than slight red patches which she may have caused herself. Although her mum appeared concerned I couldn't get the lamb to feed and so attempted to bottle feed her because she did appear a bit weak and was happy to suck my finger. She took about four ounces of milk but probably only had a couple of ounces because being new to the bottle she spilt quite a bit. I have washed her legs down in warm water and a weak solution of iodine and have left her again, laying chewing at the ground and her legs. Its not that she is just eating the grass, I don't actually think she is eating any - but it just looks really strange - not at all normal......... Mum is still in close attendance but I haven't seen her try to feed at all. Any ideas?
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As no one else has offered up anything yet I'd say, yes definitely very strange. Personally I'd be tempted to get the lamb to the vet. I'd also get the lamb and mum indoors, chewing at mud etc is definitely not going to help the lamb, there are lots of nasties they can pick up from soil.
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Sounds like behaviour associated with lice or similar but would be strange for just this lamb to get lice if none of the other sheep affected. Bizarre behaviour. I agree that the vet might be the best option to see if they can give an injection to relieve the irritation.
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Can't offer any real help ... sorry.
If our Soay are anything to go by then the fact that you could even catch a four week old Soay lamb probably means that there is a definite problem that needs sorting ASAP.
Agree with Foobar to pen mum and lamb if at all possible, somewhere dry, and take lamb to the vets.
Someone with more experience may be along soon who may have some ideas.
:fc: Cross posted with Zak
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Have you checked over the rest of the lamb's body? It's possible it is biting its legs because it can't reach any other bits, where it could have been fly struck. Check in its fleece right down to the skin, especially at the rump end and between the hind legs underneath.
If it is flystrike then it's an emergency or the lamb will die - it will need the maggots to be killed then antibiotics to prevent infection, general support until it recovers, and flystrike prevention.
There is no truth in the assumption that Soays are somehow resistant to fly strike, worms etc - they're not. Although it seems early for flystrike, it has already been reported in various places, due to the clement spring weather we have had.
This is the most plausible cause I can come up with, but there may be other ideas coming :sheep:
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Just come back inside to post the same as FW .... strike?????
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I know nothing about sheep but I flattened a few big fat shiny flies during the warm spell before Easter. Flies are horrible and they are about early
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Loads of flies about - need to be extra vigilant at the moment for signs of strike and act fast if you see anything. Bl**dy flies.
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I agree there maybe a little strike going on, hope lambie is ok x
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It reads like some type of encephalitis (CCN ) or a fit ?? temp high or low ?? VET
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Any news? :fc:
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The only other things I can think of beyond what others have suggested would be a blow to the head, or something tick-borne. We've had ticks on the dogs already this year, which is early for us.
I'd be taking it to the vet, too, I think.
:fc: it recovers.
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Miteso or lice off straw/hay, or ticks, we found tick on Ollie dog yesterday..
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Update on lamb not good ..... took it to the vet yesterday afternoon and she wasn't really sure what to diagnose. By this time its head was twisted round to one side and it was walking in circles. Her eyes were sticky and she was keeping them closed. Vet administered a number of different injections including an anti biotic and various vitamins and magnesium. Bought her home and kept her with her mum in a seperate pen (as advised). Unfortunately this morning my husband found her with her head stuck in the fence. Once released she seemed slightly better in some ways - eyes more open - one bright one cloudy. Head now held correctly but still walking in circles and now with a bad limp. I thought she might have put her shoulder out pushing against the fence.
Still not feeding from her mum and wouldn't suck on a bottle, I managed to get a little milk down her. We were scheduled to go back to the vet at 3.00pm today but thought it was better to take her sooner and so we went and sat in the surgery until the vet was free. I expected her to suggest putting her to sleep especially when she said that her temperature had gone up from yesterday and she now thinks it is MENINGITIS (didn't even know that sheep could get this). The vet suggested that the lamb be given another 24 hours because she still (believe it or not) appears to be quite strong. Intravenous fluids, more antibiotics and a strong painkilling injection she is now back home. Looking at her, if I'm perfectly honest - I wish I had been stronger and asked the vet to put her down. I can only assume however that she really does think the lamb stands a chance. I will let you know tomorrow. :( :(
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Well we can all be wise afterwards Tania but the vet must think she stands a chance and you've done your very best for her. Soay are feisty little fighters so :fc: for her. Let us know how she does. :hug:
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Good on your vet for giving her a go, many wouldn't bother. :fc: for the little one.
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If it were an older sheep with those symptoms I'd be saying CCN. Treatment is antibiotics and B vitamins. It's truly amazing the recoveries you can get, so :fc: this little lamb comes through.
Oh - and I think listeriosis, which they can get from the soil, has similar symptoms. That's maybe more likely in a lamb. The treatment is the same.
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sending positive thoughts, hope the little dot pulls through xxx
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If she isnt suckling are you tube feeding her, I have done it for the first time this year, terrified but a quick tutorial from youtube and was away. Wont hesitate in future if its needed.I do hope she pulls through its horrible when you lose them.
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Keeping everything crossed for her :fc:
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Fingers crossed for your little lamb - you've done everything you can for her- well done you. I just hope she pulls through.
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A farm local to me has just had lambs diagnoses with 'drunk lamb syndrome' .... a new one on me and the local farmer ...... display odd behaviour .... and is fatal. Treated using bicarbonate of soda!
http://www.farmersguardian.com/home/livestock/potential-treatment-found-for-drunken-lamb-syndrome/53599.article (http://www.farmersguardian.com/home/livestock/potential-treatment-found-for-drunken-lamb-syndrome/53599.article)
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very interesting :)
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A farm local to me has just had lambs diagnoses with 'drunk lamb syndrome' .... a new one on me and the local farmer ...... display odd behaviour .... and is fatal. Treated using bicarbonate of soda!
http://www.farmersguardian.com/home/livestock/potential-treatment-found-for-drunken-lamb-syndrome/53599.article (http://www.farmersguardian.com/home/livestock/potential-treatment-found-for-drunken-lamb-syndrome/53599.article)
It's called "floppy kid syndrome" in goat kids.
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Just to update you all - following a five day course of extra strong anti-biotics the lamb (now known as 'Lucky'!) is doing remarkably well. Back in the field with all the others and gambolling around. Slight limp but otherwise looking quite normal and her eyes are bright again - not a sign of cloudiness. Hopefully her recovery will continue. Fortunately, none of the others are showing signs of illness. Thank you to everyone who commented for your advice and good wishes.
I have to admit that none of our sheep have ever been vaccinated. We acquired a small flock 18 months or so ago aged between 6 and 24 months and they had never been done and another acquaintance who had kept soay sheep for a number of years had also never vaccinated. I am sure I have also read somewhere that it isn't always necessary to do so. HOWEVER, folowing a bit of a lecture from the vet, we managed to get a local farmer to assist and they are now all done - including this years lambs. I would be interested to know if everyone else with Soays vaccinate?
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Hi Tania, that's really good news. :excited: ;D Hope Lucky continues to thrive.
Our Soay are vaccinated with Heptavac P. Our neighbour, a very experienced sheep farmer, thought it was really important that we vaccinate. The lambs we bought (about 5 years ago now) came from an unvaccinated flock but our neighbours opinion was that it was asking for trouble not to vaccinate. He explained that with the diseases covered by the vaccine there wasn't a lot of prior warning that sheep were ill and no time for treatment. First you would probably know they would be legs up as he put it. Since we had no sheepie experience and were relying on his help we took his advice. Also as new keepers we were afraid of missing symptoms due to our inexperience. Seemed easiest and safest to vaccinate.
I do know someone who had an unvaccinated flock and no problems for years but then lost quite a few sheep to diseases that would have been covered. Not sure if there is any evidence anywhere to say that Soay are less likely to succumb to these diseases than other sheep and if people have had no problems it could just be that they have been lucky.
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our first flocks (soay included) werent vaccinated but mainly down to our inexperience, naivity, and a laid back vet who always said no point in a small flock of sheep -or pigs for that matter (probably as to him they werent worth much to replace)
when we restocked with pedigree sheep, we vaccinated as they were worth alot to us emotionally and financially. (and next time we get breeding pigs, they will be done too.)
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When you are as surrounded by sheep as we are here not to vaccinate would be daft! When teaching sheep husbandry my first lesson started with
'A sheep's worst enemy is another sheep' and the first symptom a sick sheep often shows is death!
so prevention is the name of the game.