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Livestock => Goats => Topic started by: lizzypeg on February 07, 2014, 03:16:14 pm

Title: can you legally travel a goat in a dog crate in a 4x4 car?
Post by: lizzypeg on February 07, 2014, 03:16:14 pm
I need to pick up a goat from central London but don't have access to a trailer.hes small enough to fit in a dog crate in my car but im not sure if its legal to do this?
I can't find anything on the web/defra to say wether it is or isn't legally allowed in the uk?

can anyone help please?
Title: Re: can you legally travel a goat in a dog crate in a 4x4 car?
Post by: mojocafa on February 07, 2014, 03:24:35 pm
I hope  its ok, as I have done it in a hatchback style car. As long as you can clean up afterwards. Someone will be along soon that will know    :fc:
Title: Re: can you legally travel a goat in a dog crate in a 4x4 car?
Post by: Anke on February 07, 2014, 03:27:49 pm
I have taken kids in large dog crates in the back of a normal family estate before, to is the safest way to travel for them rather than a massive trailer.

My (adult) GG's have also travelled in the back of a pick-up, it was tall enough for them to stand up in. I think that's the most important - they have to be able to stand up and do their business...

So if the goats can stand up and turn round in the crate, s/he would be fine to travel in it. I guess s/he is then also small enough to be lifted in/out of the car?
Title: Re: can you legally travel a goat in a dog crate in a 4x4 car?
Post by: goosepimple on February 07, 2014, 03:29:48 pm
I do it all the time with our pygmies, just make sure you have the correct DEFRA paperwork, don't know the English versions but the Scottish paperwork has a bit you fill in as to how far you are travelling with it - if it's over a certain distance (can't remember what, 40 miles or so (?)) you have to have another permit, but who's counting  :innocent:
Title: Re: can you legally travel a goat in a dog crate in a 4x4 car?
Post by: goosepimple on February 07, 2014, 03:31:28 pm
Oh, and a PS:


Good idea to put a big sheet down in the car first and then the crate on - it stops the crate slipping around and also they're not so accurate when weeing  :D
Title: Re: can you legally travel a goat in a dog crate in a 4x4 car?
Post by: Anke on February 07, 2014, 03:34:35 pm
Oh, and a PS:


Good idea to put a big sheet down in the car first and then the crate on - it stops the crate slipping around and also they're not so accurate when weeing  :D

but not as bad as piglets.....
Title: Re: can you legally travel a goat in a dog crate in a 4x4 car?
Post by: lizzypeg on February 07, 2014, 03:46:10 pm
thanks iv done it before too but wasn't going thru central London where im more likely to meet a police man who may question me, so wanted to know its it actually illegal incase I get stopped.its not a long journey, under an hour just straight thru London.
thanks all.
Title: Re: can you legally travel a goat in a dog crate in a 4x4 car?
Post by: plumseverywhere on February 07, 2014, 04:26:12 pm
We had this discussion at our goat club. Yes its entirely legal so long as you can thoroughly clean the area that the goat has travelled in afterwards.  The onus is on the goat being as stress free as possible and our arguement is that a lonely goat in a trailer will stress more than a goat in a (suitable) car with a person to keep it calm.
Just as well, I've transported 4 dairy goats in the back of a vw caravelle and yes, we got some odd looks  ;D   
Title: Re: can you legally travel a goat in a dog crate in a 4x4 car?
Post by: tizaala on February 07, 2014, 04:41:40 pm
Even more important  : DON'T turn off your Engine until she's unloaded otherwise she'll pee straight away.
 :innocent: lots of old paper feed bags to act as a sponge on top of a large plastic sheet.
Title: Re: can you legally travel a goat in a dog crate in a 4x4 car?
Post by: mojocafa on February 07, 2014, 06:29:30 pm
I was advised not to have the heating on full blast,  anyone know why?
Title: Re: can you legally travel a goat in a dog crate in a 4x4 car?
Post by: lizzypeg on February 07, 2014, 06:41:06 pm
the goats will over heat.i always have windows open a bit for air flow
Title: Re: can you legally travel a goat in a dog crate in a 4x4 car?
Post by: lachlanandmarcus on February 07, 2014, 06:56:00 pm
I do it all the time with our pygmies, just make sure you have the correct DEFRA paperwork, don't know the English versions but the Scottish paperwork has a bit you fill in as to how far you are travelling with it - if it's over a certain distance (can't remember what, 40 miles or so (?)) you have to have another permit, but who's counting  :innocent:


This is true. Alto there's an exemption for pet animals even if livestock species, an exemption if the transport isn't in connection with an economic activity (business) and also (crucial here) an exemption if the number if animals doesn't exceed the number of handlers ie one person with one animals will never need the cert. So should be A-OK here.
Title: Re: can you legally travel a goat in a dog crate in a 4x4 car?
Post by: Roxy on February 11, 2014, 12:20:57 pm
My only trailer is a big horse one - costs a fortune in fuel to tow that around.l have carried my big goats, sheep, etc in the back of a Landrover, and now we have a Ford Ranger with a large back on it, in there.  To be honest, they enjoy standing up looking out of the back window!!  Much better than a trailer they say.
I did move three pygmy goats with large horns (one an intact male) from Newcastle, in the back of a small van.  I put cardboard on the back windows, just in case the male decided to headbutt  the glass on the motorway!!
 
I always take my goat kids to the vets for disbudding in a large dog crate - carry it straight into the vets, and then pop them back in and bring them home.  Much easier than carrying numerous goats in and out of cars.
Title: Re: can you legally travel a goat in a dog crate in a 4x4 car?
Post by: fiestyredhead331 on February 11, 2014, 09:38:43 pm
I had kids in a crate on a ferry  :innocent:
Title: Re: can you legally travel a goat in a dog crate in a 4x4 car?
Post by: sokel on February 11, 2014, 10:02:07 pm
Travelled  loads of goats and lambs in the car  ::) never had a problem except the time we had one of the girls to visit a friends Billy and the trailer developed a wheel problem  ::)  so into the car she went to bring her home for weeks after you could smell billy in the car. At least it stopped people borrowing my car   :innocent:
Title: Re: can you legally travel a goat in a dog crate in a 4x4 car?
Post by: amesy on February 11, 2014, 10:23:16 pm
My pair used to just hop in the back of the car and curl up on the seat....not sure it was the best way but for the 10minute car journey to the vets that was the only way they wouldn't shout, headbutt and generally cause a disturbance. It was safer for them on the backseat with one of us in the back than throwing themselves around in a crate/back of the car.

But, a crate is fine as long as it's safe and comfy for them (mine were just picky), I think the law is something like they cannot cause distraction or interference to the driver/safety of the vehicle... It also helps if other people can't see, people don't tend to concentrate on driving when they see goats in the back of a car