The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Livestock => Sheep => Topic started by: Hillview Farm on December 15, 2013, 05:19:49 pm
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Sorry for all the posts at the moment.
We are looking to buy some ewes that are 75 miles away (1hour and a half) which is of course over 65km. Very very confused as to what exactly a Type 1 transporter authorisation is that is needed for over 65km. No idea how you get one and what a certificate of competence is and where you get that from?
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Try the DEFRA website - we took our test when it was first introduced. Took about half-an-hour at the local ag. college. Some stuff to learn but mostly commonsense. We had to take a second part (with some questions in common) to be able to transport pigs as well as sheep. There's a whole different section for transporting poultry.
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Do you have a local training group or college doing agricultural course, they might be able to help. Don't know if it has changed much, but when I did it it was just ticky boxes.
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Ok so it turns out we have a certificate of competence. Its just the Type 1 thingy! does anyone know how long it takes to get one?
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Sorry for all the posts at the moment.
We are looking to buy some ewes that are 75 miles away (1hour and a half) which is of course over 65km. Very very confused as to what exactly a Type 1 transporter authorisation is that is needed for over 65km. No idea how you get one and what a certificate of competence is and where you get that from?
Bear in mind you only need type 1 or cert of competence if the transporting is in connection with an economic activity. So a couple of pets don't count, it depends how many you are fetching.
TBH if it's quite a few and quite a distance, I've tended to find the transporters as cheap or nearly as doing it myself if I'm not in so much of a hurry as they can do it as a back load.
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Its for ten ewes, what is the definition of economic activity? I don't really want to use a haulier as I want them on and off the trailer asap as they are in lamb
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Its for ten ewes, what is the definition of economic activity? I don't really want to use a haulier as I want them on and off the trailer asap as they are in lamb
Really it means is it a business or a hobby. Ie are they an interest or a (in theory at least) livelihood. If you sell meat or stock then it gets more like economic activity but still depends on interpretation, as a hobby person might only sell a couple every few years. I think really if it's nominal amounts/numbers of money/transactions and your income comes from elsewhere then it's a hobby, but it is open to the officials interpretation.
Interestingly I tried to register for the type 1 and they said after chatting to me I couldn't as I wasn't a proper farm or business ! So will quote that if I ever got stopped (our abbatoir is under the limit as the crow flies but borderline on the route we like to take)
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Hi if it had been 2 or3 sheep you can transport them as long as you have enough people as many sheep i was told from defra if that makes sense 1 sheep to one person.
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how are you not a proper farm? :roflanim:
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Hi if it had been 2 or3 sheep you can transport them as long as you have enough people as many sheep i was told from defra if that makes sense 1 sheep to one person.
That's true ( altho it's a separate exemption from the economic one )
It applies both to commercial economic transporting and also non economic hobby stuff.
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I think really if it's nominal amounts/numbers of money/transactions and your income comes from elsewhere then it's a hobby, but it is open to the officials interpretation.
My income comes from elsewhere, as last year was my first year the money I sold the few lambs I had and the cash I got for them was re invested so to speak. So I could get away with that. I may just ring the AHVLA transport hotline and see what they think
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I know this thread is really old, but I have the same issue and was hoping for help.
I gather we are exempt from the requirements on both being hobby farmers and also having the same number of people as sheep but I still don't know how to fill out section 2 (transport section) of the movement licence.
Does anyone know what to put??
Thanks
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For section 2 we just put what we have seen other people do i.e. haulier - self and whoever is driving signs it.
We did look at getting the certificate but when I enquired a couple of years ago it was £130 to sit the test and you don't get any tuition for that either.
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I wonder if anyone ever does check up on miles travelled and so on (and, yes, I do have a Type 1!)
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Yes, I wondered that. It would be easy enough to do, given that they have both the departing and arriving CPH numbers!
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Took my tests the other night, £120, a night of my life, a trip to the English border and back.. apparently a degree in animal welfare and a vet one aren't enough, you need to sit a 20 min test too. Then IF you pass you can apply for the T1A. Good eh? Lets pass more animal welfare laws!
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Then IF you pass
Well let's hope so eh? :o
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It would almost be funnier if I didn't. TBH some of the questions were just wrong. I second guessed the answers - but they were wrong/nonsense!