The Accidental Smallholder Forum

Livestock => Poultry & Waterfowl => Topic started by: Clarebelle on May 08, 2013, 01:06:58 pm

Title: 'Dubbing' cockerals??!
Post by: Clarebelle on May 08, 2013, 01:06:58 pm
Until today I had never heard of 'Dubbing' but I got my monthly country smallholding mag today and just started to have a read. Tim Tyne's best breeds page features Old English Game bantams this month and the following is a quote from the article:

'Although I no longer keep OEG bantams I did enjoy breeding and showing them, but the fact that the cockerels need to be 'dubbed' (ie have their comb and wattles cut off) for exhibition purposes is a bit off-putting. In an era when we no longer dock dogs' tails or crop their ears, I'm surprised that this barbaric practice is still tolerated.'

I was in total shock after reading this. I'm sorry but why, why, why would anyone mutilate their poultry like this and why is it required by the show judges? I am, frankly, appalled. I never heard of this practice before and am so shocked that people actually HAVE to do this if they want to show their birds!

Is there some point that I am missing here? To me it sounds like a heinous act but maybe there is a good reason that I dont have a concept of? 
Title: Re: 'Dubbing' cockerals??!
Post by: hughesy on May 08, 2013, 01:22:24 pm
It sounds barbaric to me. Along with things like clipping piglets teeth and suchlike. I do know that in the old days they used to remove the combs from fighting cocks so it probably goes back to that. Shouldn't be allowed is my opinion.
Title: Re: 'Dubbing' cockerals??!
Post by: in the hills on May 08, 2013, 01:34:17 pm
 :o :o :o


Had heard of it eg. fighting cocks, also to prevent frost damage and so on, but would never have believed that it was still allowed legally. Thought it was a practise from the past.


Horrid  :rant:
Title: Re: 'Dubbing' cockerals??!
Post by: darkbrowneggs on May 08, 2013, 01:45:35 pm
Wikipedia says


The Veterinary Surgeons Act 196 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_College_of_Veterinary_Surgeons)6 (Schedule 3 Amendment) Order 1988 (SI 1988 No. 526) permits only a veterinary surgeon to remove the combs of a domestic fowl which has reached the age of 72 hours

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubbing_(poultry) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubbing_(poultry))
Title: Re: 'Dubbing' cockerals??!
Post by: in the hills on May 08, 2013, 02:06:25 pm
So, before 72 hours ????
Title: Re: 'Dubbing' cockerals??!
Post by: darkbrowneggs on May 08, 2013, 05:35:06 pm
Yes - but later legislation says


In 2010, the European Food Safety Authority (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Food_Safety_Authority) (EFSA) reviewed scientific evidence and concluded "that no mutilation with an effect on welfare as severe as those resulting from cutting off toes or dubbing the comb should be carried out unless justified by evidence for a substantial and unavoidable level of poor welfare in the birds themselves and other birds.