The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Smallholding => Land Management => Topic started by: edessex on February 21, 2013, 03:50:57 pm
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Another legal/planning type question I'm afraid!
I have a small 4x4 car that I've kept to use soley on agricultural land. Mainly for moving straw bales from my car (at the entrance) to the store, and general towing/shunting things about.
Technically unroadworthy as MoT has expired, and its declared SORN.
Is it ok, from the councils point of view, for me to keep the car there?
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I'm not sure what their objection could be if it is mobile SORNed and being used for agricultural purposes. We have an old landrover which has been home converted to carry an ibc water cube as a water bowser, and have never had any issues with it. I don't know the legalities but I can't think of any objections unless maybe it is one of a lot of stuff that they think is unsightly.
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At the moment there is a number of items including other cars that will be removed over the next month. Basically I'm removing everything that isn't related to agriculture.
This would be the only vehicle kept on the land, other than an old Landy being used as a chicken coop.
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I'd not be a happy neighbour if someone kept an old car in the field next to me, but if you don't have neighbours then nothing to worry about, hopefully. One of the village parks we use has an old Daihatsu 4trak with a roller on the back of it for doing the football pitch parked at the far side of the playing field. I'd say it all comes down to who is going to see it, and how they view you. If you're tidying up the land and bringing it back into productive use rather than storeage it will hopefully stand you in good stead.
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I do also think an old Landy in a field somehow looks less jarring on the eye than a 'modern' vehicle, not sure why maybe the faded colours or the agricultural build /design of them.
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The car in question is an '89 Fiat Panda... I don't do modern!
The land has been used for general storage and agriculture for 30 odd years, but was never changed from just agriculture, the bloke who lives next to it wants to buy it, and I turned him down flat, so he lodged a complaint to the council, hence the cleanup notice.
I'm getting shot of all non-agri items, but technically that car is used for agri.
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If I had a neighbour that complained about a vehicle in my field - I'd make sure I took the exhaust off and got it running at daybreak every morning ;) lol
Unfortunately the law always sides on the side of those with the biggest wallets and the least to do in their normal daytime routines.
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an 89 fiat panda. your kidding me. what the hell is it doing in a field!!!
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Earning its keep as a worker until I have time to fix it up for road use!
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Fiat panda 4x4's are useful little motors. :thumbsup:
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I know a farmer that kept getting cars crashing into his fences , he got fed up with this , so kept the cars till the owner paid for the damage . A lot of the time the owners told him to use the car as scrap to cover the costs of damage . He used to set them out in his fields as scare crows for a year before sending them for scrap , worked well
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To be honest - I'd try and clear the junk if any so the court action does not and cannot take place - it can then be strung along without recompence for a few more years.
There is really nothing anyone can do if you have a few vehicles for farm use - hell you could classify them as agricultural and drive them on the road under your own scutiny of sfaety. - we are not talking taking them onto a public road - sod em.
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Yeah I'm currently clearing away the rubbish, and generally trying to tidy up. But I'm reluctant to sell or pay storage fees on the Panda. I'm going to have problems with the neighbour whatever I do, which means problems with the council! But if everything is legal to start with it makes it eaiser!
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u might be able to register it as agricultural ring the dvla and ask i know a friend that runs a land rover like this
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Yeah I did look at that before, I think I either have to convert it for a specific agricultural use (i.e. fit a water tank, pump, and spray boom), or remove all but the drivers seat.
But as the car never touches the public highway, I'm not sure there is much point... unless the council try and argue that it isn't agricultural...
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The council in general has no powers to remove vehicles from land - without the landowners permission.
If the vehicles is classed as scrap or rubbish then they may make an order to tidy - but if the vehicle is used and not rubbish - they wont bring a case - if they say they are - its all bluff.
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I wouldnt worry - its their job to just go round places and discuss things that they can do nothing about legally - its whats fills most civel servants days ;0)
Even if an enfocement is made - it takes ages and cots the council loads - the fact is councils dont have the money.
Keep your car - park it where you like mate.
If anyone came up here and asked me to remove any vehicles - I'd tell them to shove it.
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I wouldnt worry - its their job to just go round places and discuss things that they can do nothing about legally - its whats fills most civel servants days ;0)
Even if an enfocement is made - it takes ages and cots the council loads - the fact is councils dont have the money.
Keep your car - park it where you like mate.
If anyone came up here and asked me to remove any vehicles - I'd tell them to shove it.
well put.
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There is an old landy for sale near us - when we enquired about it the seller told us it has no MOT or tax because he has just been using it on his land for the past few years for agricultural and shooting uses. So my understanding is that this is fine.
Donna
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I left mine at the edge of a wood and look what happened.
(http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-_rEO5tFZoZ8/TybVyEhVZzI/AAAAAAAABnA/4JTIioTbfsM/w388-h290-p-o-k/Wood%2Bat%2BLa%2BForge.jpg)
Actually we have 3 1950s Fire engines parked in a field behind our neighbours and a total of 10 other cars parked in fields within walking distance of us.
Two are good friends !
(http://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-60k57B5l1Vg/TybVpZIm9WI/AAAAAAAABmo/wG2D-5ScWr4/w410-h273-p-o-k/L%2527Esperance%2B2.jpg)
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do you not have itinerant scrap metal dealers?
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There is an old landy for sale near us - when we enquired about it the seller told us it has no MOT or tax because he has just been using it on his land for the past few years for agricultural and shooting uses. So my understanding is that this is fine.
Donna
It is if it's agric registered, but watch out if it was originally a road vehicle, if it was and it isn't re registered as agric then because of the new requirement for vehicles to either be SORNed annually or taxed and insured continuously, an auto fine can land on the doormat unless you check the vehicles status with DVLA.
Eg our landrover converted to water bowser with IBC bolted to it has to be SORNed every year unless we get round to having it reclassified because it was a road going vehicle until relatively recently,
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DITW when i used "that" word my post was edited when I wasn't looking!
I'd not mind a landy or 4x4 in the field but just old cars, nah, unsightly, and dangerous if you have animals too.
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really? ok....
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do you not have itinerant scrap metal dealers?
yes, that's better. Bad bad DITW...
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well DITW the only scrap metal dealers I have seen are 2 English lads from Kent who have an M reg Ford Transit and bought all my metal and loaded it to illegal limits. How they did not get stopped by police for an overlaoded van that is still (after 5 years in France), but still registered with UK plates, did not get pulled I do not know.
Cars are frequently left when the driver dies and the partener left can not drive. " of my 3 neighbours have dead cars outside and in the barn. No French scrap dealers I guess.