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Livestock => Pigs => Topic started by: Jackie 2 on February 21, 2013, 02:16:49 pm
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I took 4 young saddlebacks to slaughter and announced on FB that I was selling half of it for £75, thats 50lbs of pork for £75, and one very greedy person expected much more for £75!!!!!!
He said he wanted bacon and sausages too!!!!
Is it just me and is £75 cheap and hes just dam greedy?
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If I had the room I'd love to be able to buy 50lbs of pork for £1.50 per lb! Maybe the guy doesnt take any notice of supermarket labels which give you the price per lb or kg.
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Is it just me and is £75 cheap and hes just dam greedy?
Cheap is an understatement ... you should be looking at more like £75 for a quarter!
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I took 4 young saddlebacks to slaughter and announced on FB that I was selling half of it for £75, thats 50lbs of pork for £75, and one very greedy person expected much more for £75!!!!!!
He said he wanted bacon and sausages too!!!!
Is it just me and is £75 cheap and hes just dam greedy?
@ £75 its cheap .......i thought we were cheap @ £90 a side.
btw our butcher is charging £80 a side for commercial pigs.
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I just bought half a pig for £1.30 per lb from our farm butcher... rare breed or not it tastes fantastic.
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Venison straight from the (qualified) stalker is generally ~£1/lb and £4/lb in the butchers. So, applying the same 4 to 1 logic to pork...
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venison is 4.77 for stewing steak near me for farmed venison off the supplier are you sure you are getting venison and not :horse:? or it sounds like your butcher hasn't got a very good market for it :thinking:
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venison is 4.77 for stewing steak near me for farmed venison off the supplier are you sure you are getting venison and not :horse:? or it sounds like your butcher hasn't got a very good market for it :thinking:
It's been a while...the only way my venison can have horse in it is if either it's actually eaten a horse prior to me shooting it, or if my bullet head manufactuers have started replacing lead with hoof!! :D
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I agree with Pete, £75 per quarter and even that's a bit cheap if you were to include sausages.
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Thanks I thought that guy was being greedy but needed to check with you all here :)
My next lot of pork will be more expensive :thumbsup:
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Thanks I thought that guy was being greedy but needed to check with you all here :)
My next lot of pork will be more expensive :thumbsup:
check to see if anyone is selling local prices seem to differ across the country we sell @ £90 a side which is pretty much the going rate around here but we do have a guy that sells his berkshire pork for £60 a side near us and another one that sells his for £55.
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Everyone wants something for nothing now I also posted on Facebook selling half a pig £90 cause there was 10 pound of sausages included people still wanted more! They can carry on eating horse while we enjoy fresh pork :-)
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Cor-blimey, that's cheap.
My osb weaners from last year COST me more than that to buy/feed/have prossesed.
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It costs me over 100 quid to get a pig to pork weight in feed alone. Never mind all the other stuff that has to be paid for, straw, medicines, fuel, slaughter costs etc.
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£75 for half a pig is very cheap indeed. Here in Hertfordshire it's £175!
If something is available for an exceptionally low price, the assumption is made by some crafty (nasty) people that whoever is selling hasn't a clue about the product's value, and hence they think that the seller can be convinced that the price is still too high - some people are just really quick to take advantage of someone. He might have been thinking of selling it on for a profit... :thinking:
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I am 'doing' 4 pigs for friends and family and including sausages I will be charging around £70 for a quarter, never mind a half and won't be making that much either :o
So Jackie 2 that's £150 per pig - how can that not be making you a loss ???
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Im lucky in that Im not trying to make money from my smallholding, as long as I break even then its ok and so far so good :)
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Trouble is that when people have had something cheap they think that that's the going rate and don't want to pay any more next time, even if it's from a different supplier, so flogging stuff too cheap doesn't do anyone any good in the long run. To be honest if I was offered a half pig for 75 quid I'd be a bit suspicious. I'm not having a go Jackie2 just my opinion.
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I live in Lincs where there isnt much spare money so £75 seemed ok to me as I dont want to price myself out of the market
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I live in Lincs where there isnt much spare money so £75 seemed ok to me as I dont want to price myself out of the market
i have to agree with you. there is a lot to consider some areas have lots of people selling some dont, some have higher incomes some dont so we all have to price to suit our areas. as i said before we sell at £90 a side which is more expensive than some equivalent to others. some people have to pay £50 + for weaners arond here £35 - £40 is the norm then on top of that feed prices differ across the country.
we all set our prices to what we can achive or what we are happy with.
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Hi Jackie 2.
I don't know what your costs actually are but if you take a conservative view they could look something like this:
Cost per weaner @ 8 weeks £35
Cost of feed £7.95 / 25kg sack
Cost of feed from 8 week to 25 weeks £67
Cost of slaughter and butchery £35
Transportation (purchase and slaughter) £10
Cost of worming £2
Cost of straw £5
Total £154
So, IF you did everything at what I would consider to be rock bottom price then you lost £4 per pig, if your costs were any higher then you can do the sums!
Pete
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Don't suppose there's any left :innocent:best make me a FB friend so I don't miss out next time
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Cost per weaner @ 8 weeks £15
Cost of feed £6.00 / 25kg sack
Cost of feed from 8 week to 25 weeks
Cost of slaughter and butchery £20
Transportation (purchase and slaughter) £10
Cost of straw £5
Total £ a little less
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Sorry Carl its all gone :) Will have some ready in about 8 weeks from now :)
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Hi Jackie,
Do you really mean feed at £6 for 25kgs?? If so where are you buying it from?
Slaughter and butchery at £20 is incredibly cheap too!
Pete
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I'd have to agree Pete....we too are Lincolnshire...not too far away and nowhere can we buy pig food at £6 a sack.....or slaughter for £20 .....let alone the butchery costs..........I for one would be delighted were Jackie to share those little secrets............not that i'm suggesting anything untoward..........just those kind of costings aren't available to us............neither are weaners at £15 :pig:
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Can I have details please :eyelashes:
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well we sold ours at £3 per lb and no-one batted an eyelid but even then we didn't make a huge profit. What it did do was let people try our pork and we now have orders for our next kill. But I will admit I did get annoyed when someone else in the area was advertising his pork at half the price, ok maybe he can afford to make a loss on his meat but all it does is push the prices down for everyone else. I'm not playing that particular game, especially with the costs of feeding climbing weekly it seems!
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What are saying £6 for a sack of What ??? and killing and butchery cost ??? Im about 15 miles from you and I will say your talking rubish unless you prove me wrong Then i shall eat my hat and apologise profusly Share the info thats what we are about!!!!!
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sounds very greedy to me ........... did he want you to cook and eat it for him as well? :innocent:
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??? I can't even have my pigs slaughtered for £20 never mind butchered and my feed is over£8 per 25kg bag :o :o
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feed for mine is closer to £9.60/25kg bag!!!!
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I buy my food from BOCM Paul by the ton, price = £6 25kg
I bought the weaners at MM and I have actually bought some for £8 each too!
You can check the hog prices online from past sales
I take my pigs to a butcher in Doncaster :) Slack and son
Happy now? :)
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Awaiting apologies! :eyelashes:
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Thanks for the info Jackie are you happy with how slack and sons work?
Mind you from where I'm in Lincolnshire nipping 20 minutes to Boston or an hour and a half to Doncaster means it will still be better using the Butcher and abattoir there
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I will have to go home to get my pigs done. Can not beleave Slacks are still going. :wave: I know Donny is cheap but £6 a bag means its worth a journey.
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Hassle Slacks have always been good for me, however the boston one wasnt, I didnt get all of my pigs back from there so only went once.
feel free to pm me if you know something I dont.
BOCM Paul delivers so you dont have to go anywhere to get food the price I do :) I buy my chicken food off them too, layer pellets by the ton but finisher by the half ton
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There are two in Boston Wrights and Dawsons :wave:
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Ah I cant remember which one we used in Boston, it was 2 years ago now
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I just took 2 of our saddle backs to slaughter this week and have sold two sides one @ £130 not butchered and £160 butchered, not including bacon or sausages!
Keep your prices up! It's a premium product so people should be prepared to pay for it!!
Good luck!
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Thanks :)
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My apologies :-J But you did say £6 per 25kg sack not by the tonne
I still cant see how your transport costs are only adding up to a Tenner but hey ho
Well done you
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Jackie are you sure they are 25kg bags, £240 a ton delivered is very cheap.
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Jackie are you sure they are 25kg bags, £240 a ton delivered is very cheap.
BOCM only do 20kg bags.
Mandy :pig:
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Jackie are you sure they are 25kg bags, £240 a ton delivered is very cheap.
BOCM only do 20kg bags.
Mandy :pig:
i have to say some of the old boys at melton think i am startk raving mad paying my feed prices most of them buy in much cheaper some by £80 pt so i am not over surprised by jackies prices as i think she is from around there.
we all have the same option to shop around and then try and beet them down to the last penny when buying in feed the bigger the order the bigger the discount should be.
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I'm only 26 miles from Melton Mowbray and the cheapest feed I have managed to locate is Argo feeds in Sheffield. I purchase by the tonne in 25kg sacks, I do negotiate but can't get close to £6 for 25kg (£240 / tonne)! I'm paying around £318 / tonne.
I have previously contacted BOCM Paul but wasn't quoted that rate!!
So, if anyone can put me onto a cheaper supplier I would certainly appreciate it!
Pete
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The sow and weaner nuts I feed comes from BOCM - last tonne was £327.50 delivered and bagged in 20kg sacks.
When I contacted BOCM direct their prices were much higher than buying through a local merchant (madness). I order through my local stockist and BOCM deliver direct to me. I found my local stockist via BOCM's website.
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what is in this cheap pig food, all animal food has gone up in price up here.
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I buy my food from BOCM Paul by the ton, price = £6 25kg
I've just called my nearest BOCM / Farmgate supplier, and the best price they offer even when I told them what I'm currently paying is £415 / tonne which (although I know its in 20kg sacks) equates to £10.37 for 25kgs!!!
Jackie 2 ... please can you advise who your agent is??
Pete
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I have no idea who my agent is as hubby orders and pays. Hes away for a few days with work but Ill ask him when he gets back.
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I regularly phone round all our local suppliers and the best I've had lately is £6.99 per 20kg bag when bought by the ton. I can't store more than a ton at a time so can't say what the price might be for more than a ton.
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how many 20Kg bags equates to a ton?
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50
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Maybe we need to start up a TAC Coop so we can order in big quantities and get lower prices across the country. We too get 20kg bags and they are just under or just over £8 a sack depending on how many you buy at a time - so a tonne isn't that much cheaper and there's more time for the rats to get it. It just saves on collection costs.
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Im sorry jackie but it has to be said, selling rare breed pork at that price in a free market is not on!
For friends and family- sure your "not for profit" sales will not do any harm but to the public!
You are making those trying to make a living look like theives!
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Im sorry jackie but it has to be said, selling rare breed pork at that price in a free market is not on!
For friends and family- sure your "not for profit" sales will not do any harm but to the public!
You are making those trying to make a living look like theives!
It had to be said.
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kja...............we're from same region and can't get anywhere near that price per tonne so I'm sorry......but if it were possible to grow weaners on at that sort of outlay then there wouldn't be so many coming out of pig keeping in such large numbers or so many smallholders nervous about the ever rising costs. On request.....and once only....we reared an extra weaner to sell and had to charge £120 per half......it just wasn't viable otherwise :pig:
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I'm only 26 miles from Melton Mowbray and the cheapest feed I have managed to locate is Argo feeds in Sheffield. I purchase by the tonne in 25kg sacks, I do negotiate but can't get close to £6 for 25kg (£240 / tonne)! I'm paying around £318 / tonne.
I have previously contacted BOCM Paul but wasn't quoted that rate!!
So, if anyone can put me onto a cheaper supplier I would certainly appreciate it!
Pete
I buy my food from BOCM Paul by the ton, price = £6 25kg
I've just called my nearest BOCM / Farmgate supplier, and the best price they offer even when I told them what I'm currently paying is £415 / tonne which (although I know its in 20kg sacks) equates to £10.37 for 25kgs!!!
Jackie 2 ... please can you advise who your agent is??
Pete
how much are you paying £415 or £318 ?
kja...............we're from same region and can't get anywhere near that price per tonne so I'm sorry......but if it were possible to grow weaners on at that sort of outlay then there wouldn't be so many coming out of pig keeping in such large numbers or so many smallholders nervous about the ever rising costs. On request.....and once only....we reared an extra weaner to sell and had to charge £120 per half......it just wasn't viable otherwise :pig:
i know just where your coming from i can only say whats the going rate around here as is the case for most posters it seems there is a vast difference contry wide with pork prices as well as feed.
i changed suppliers begining of this year my feed is now more expensive but the pigs look better for the change imo i now pay £6.96 20kg which is about £30 more a ton more than my old supplier.
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The only way i can see Jackie getting the price she gets is that she's getting it blown in rather than in bags or she's getting just past its use by date stuff.
I find BOCM the most expensive feed round here a 20kg bag at the local ag merchants is £10.99 thats £549.50 per tonne so i think she's either got her wires crossed or doing favours for the BOCM rep! :roflanim:
mandy :pig:
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We've just changed suppliers (still through our local feed place) and have got it down to £6.70 /20kg bag when buying 1/2 a ton or more on a pallet - I'm much happier!
On the cheap sale - I used to be the same, when we just a had a backyard flock of chickens, I would never take money from friends for the odd half dozen eggs as it was a hobby and to even start thinking about trying to cover costs was too daunting.
Now I have to make a living out of our new place, my attitude is totally different. Everything has to pay its way, out half pigs work out at ~£145 butchered and we still sell them all. When you compare the per kg costs to that of organic rare-breed pork at waitrose (which is the comparison you should be making) then ours still look like a bargain!
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Feed that cheap, what on earth is in it? earth?
Maybe im a fuss pot but I wont even feed commersial nuts to my pigs, I buy
local barley was £140/t now 180
local wheat was 180/t now 200 and I get a discount because the old boy likes me!
local oats was 165/t now 240
imported soya (i do hate doing so) £10/25kg
Then i mix to make age specific blends, Dry sow Winter blend works out at around £230 ton.
all it takes is a large barrow, a shovel and a heavy duty carp fishing scale.
This year we are drilling a hectare of Fodder peas which will reduce my dependance on Soya in autum.
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MKay - was it easy to get a mixing license? I could get straights form neighbouring farms easily enough but the whole paperwork thing puts me off....
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Ive just had a price this morning fromour local supplier @ £7.56 for 20kg regardless of quantity
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It is one simple form- you sign and send. doddle.
Unless you get a super special smallholder nut, its going to be rubbish with 30% filler.
Why when you are trying to produce the most amazing flavour would you give them the cheapest rotgut you can find?
Corn fed chickens taste better than barley fed chicken! Mine taste better than Caithness porks despite them having the same lineage, and being raised 2miles apart, differance? they feed Harbro nuts.
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Im sorry jackie but it has to be said, selling rare breed pork at that price in a free market is not on!
For friends and family- sure your "not for profit" sales will not do any harm but to the public!
You are making those trying to make a living look like theives!
Im sorry you dont like it BUT I have to sell the meat I dont need, so in the words of some immortal person somewhere, TOUGH!
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perhaps you can tell us if you're husband is back in order that you can share the fantastic food price secrets.......i'm about to take on more weaners and any help would be gratefully received.......
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We buy from BOCM Paul and from the prices quoted on this thread I think they price differently in different areas.
I asked hubby about this and he says its feasible and pricing may be different with the amount bought or the frequency of buying.
Yesterday I went to a local feed merchant for some chick crumb and got talking about prices and they have agreed to sell me feed at the same price as BOCM Paul, next time I go back I will then ask why I should buy from them as apposed to BOCM Paul, surely if they wanted my business it should be slightly cheaper. lol
If you dont ask you dont get do you?
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Well we're the same area and can get nowhere near for the birds sheep or pigs
And we all keep asking you...............but we don't seem to be getting.
As you say......lol.
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Ive just had a price this morning fromour local supplier @ £7.56 for 20kg regardless of quantity
Hmm that makes yours £378/tonne so makes me feel quite good that mines £341/tonne delivered which equates to £6.82/bag (20kg) so maybe i'm nit as badly done to as i thought. :thinking:
Mandy :pig:
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Well we're the same area and can get nowhere near for the birds sheep or pigs
And we all keep asking you...............but we don't seem to be getting.
As you say......lol.
Padge Im in North Killingholme, are you near me?
We pay £305 per ton for Sow and Weaner from BOCM Paul
Sheep creep I buy only an occasional bag as I feed them hay and there is no lambs due.
Chicken food I pay £156 per 1/2 ton for finisher pellets
From Melton Mowbray cattle market I have bought layer chickens for £5 and weaners for £8.
This last week I bought Alesbury duck eggs 15 for £3
I also bought some chicken eggs as they were too cheap to resist buying.
The goose eggs on sale were going for approx £1.60 each but I have my own :)
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Oh and do what I do for meat birds, find a supermarket supplier and when the birds get to 31 days old (turn around is 31 days at my supplier) offer to buy some, chicken farmers only get about £1 per bird so if you offer more then they are quids in and you get healthy happy meat birds usually. The meat birds I get are ross cob/ hubbards
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Hi Jackie,
You previously quoted:
Cost of feed £6.00 / 25kg sack
Now £6 for 25kgs equates to £240 / tonne (40 x 25kg sacks = 1 tonne) where I come from.
You are now saying:
We pay £305 per ton for Sow and Weaner from BOCM Paul
Making a difference of £65 / tonne from one post to the next ....
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Sorry trying to get info from hubby is like getting blood from a stone
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Hi Jackie,
You previously quoted:
Cost of feed £6.00 / 25kg sack
Now £6 for 25kgs equates to £240 / tonne (40 x 25kg sacks = 1 tonne) where I come from.
You are now saying:
We pay £305 per ton for Sow and Weaner from BOCM Paul
Making a difference of £65 / tonne from one post to the next ....
the mistake is in the bag size BOCM only do 20kg so Jackie got her bag size wrong 50bgs = tonne so 50 x £6 =£300
mandy :pig:
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Yes thats right Mandy, and I hauled hubby over the coals for that mistake too as I had asked him how big the sacks were and he did reply 25kg but when I asked the price per ton and how many sacks that was I then realised that they were 20kg sacks :( >:( My bad guys, more accurately hubby's bad.