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Title: . US SHOOTING
Post by: RUSTYME on December 14, 2012, 05:54:40 pm
Just heard reports of another shooting in a us school . Report says 27 dead including children .
Terrible news .
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Post by: Rosemary on December 14, 2012, 06:56:09 pm
Shocking and tragic. Our thoughts are with the families affected.
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Post by: Catweazle on December 14, 2012, 07:35:29 pm
Shocking.  Condolences to the families of those killed and to the survivors who will have their own problems to overcome in the years ahead.

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Post by: smiley bucket on December 14, 2012, 08:06:07 pm
Heartbreaking.  What a sad sad world we live in.  Far too many people crammed into too small a space, I don't think that's how we were designed to live and I think its part of the reason for society being the way it is today.
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Post by: Lesley Silvester on December 14, 2012, 09:47:45 pm
It's a tragedy.  The parents will probably never enjoy Christmas again.  My heart goes out to them.
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Post by: jaykay on December 14, 2012, 09:51:03 pm
Dear God  :'(
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Post by: HappyHippy on December 15, 2012, 09:59:25 am
I remember waking up and hearing about the same thing happening in Dunblane all those years ago - this brought all those feelings right back  :'( :'( :'(
Poor babies, children and innocent people - all becaue of some deranged nutter with a gun  >:(

Such a waste of so many lives  :(
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Post by: sabrina on December 15, 2012, 07:28:15 pm
Terrible and such a waste of life and for what.
 
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Post by: downsized on December 15, 2012, 09:12:29 pm
Just heartbreaking, I'll never undersand how anyone could do things like that  :'(
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Post by: Small Farmer on December 15, 2012, 09:54:37 pm
The US answer would seem to be that all kindergarten kids should be armed.
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Post by: tizaala on December 16, 2012, 10:12:05 am
The son was an Honors student , the mother was a teacher so we assume a modicom of inteligence, so why did she allow her kids to own handguns ?
This sort of event keeps happening in the USA, it's time the " right to bear arms " thing was re-evaluated as far as civilians are concerned, who the hell needs a handgun. They are not sporting weapons.
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Post by: HappyHippy on December 16, 2012, 12:08:29 pm
The son was an Honors student , the mother was a teacher so we assume a modicom of inteligence, so why did she allow her kids to own handguns ?
A report I heard said they were actually hers Tiz, either way I doubt the US will change any of their gun laws  :-\
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Post by: deepinthewoods on December 16, 2012, 12:53:18 pm
yup, they were her guns. he shot her first before going to the school. one interview i heard said he was a social outcast etc. i feel for the poor families.
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Post by: Ina on December 16, 2012, 01:07:50 pm
The son was an Honors student , the mother was a teacher so we assume a modicom of inteligence, so why did she allow her kids to own handguns ?
A report I heard said they were actually hers Tiz, either way I doubt the US will change any of their gun laws  :-\

Most people in the USA seem to consider it a basic human right to own guns.

Anyway - he wasn't exactly a "kid", was he? Mind you, I haven't read all the media coverage.
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Post by: Small Farmer on December 16, 2012, 08:01:15 pm
I was surprised to find that the UK death toll from guns so far in 2012 was 22.  I couldn't find even vaguely current comparables for the US, but with a population 5 times ours they have more homicides per diem than we have per annum.  Add the larger number of suicides, accidents etc and it's a humungous number.  But they do on average own a gun each, that's 300m weapons.


They're never going to change.  Its sort-of in the constitution if read with brain turned off.   Mind you, their road death rate is over three times ours too.


Japan, which has tougher gun laws than us also has a lower death rate from them.  Seems logical somewhow.
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Post by: deepinthewoods on December 16, 2012, 08:07:05 pm
the us death toll by handguns this year is 10480.
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Post by: bloomer on December 16, 2012, 08:23:03 pm
to put it in context the day after the hurricane hit new york was the first day this year and for some time before that where no shooting or stabbing incidents were reported in the greater new york area at all...



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Post by: cleopatra on December 16, 2012, 10:37:17 pm
theres so many sad stories involving children, like this one and little april. it upsets me so much and i dont know any of them, the poor kids and poor parents. its so not right.
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Post by: Dicky on December 17, 2012, 02:18:42 pm
The second amendment says they have a right to bear arms, not specifically guns.  If a right to bear arms covers everything then does every US citizen have a right to own a nuclear weapon?  No, because that would be dangerous and ridiculous.

They won't tighten gun control laws any time soon, the Republican party has enough power to block it, and the NRA are too rich.
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Post by: Lesley Silvester on December 17, 2012, 02:47:34 pm
the us death toll by handguns this year is 10480.

That's horrendous.  Do they not realise that allowing more people to have guns = more people getting killed or injured.  Even those who carry a gun because they are afraid of being attacked and have no intention of actually using it, can panic and pull the trigger.

I wonder how many people in the US are living with the guilt of accidentally shooting someone?
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Post by: deepinthewoods on December 17, 2012, 05:32:23 pm
an interesting snippet i found today, make of it what you will....
 
''The father of Newtown Connecticut accused school shooter Adam Lanza is Peter Lanza who is a VP and Tax Director at GE Financial (one of the many corporations owned and controlled by the CENTRAL (FED) BANKERS). The father of Aurora Colorado Batman movie theater accused shooter James Holmes is Robert Holmes, the lead fraud scientist for the credit score company FICO which works with all major banks, and is directly connected to the function of London Inter-Bank Offered Rate.. (LIBOR).''
 
 

http://www.examiner.com/article/libor-scandal-grows-as-the-fathers-of-two-mass-murderers-were-to-testify (http://www.examiner.com/article/libor-scandal-grows-as-the-fathers-of-two-mass-murderers-were-to-testify)



 
Title: Re: . US SHOOTING
Post by: Small Farmer on December 18, 2012, 11:46:59 pm
an interesting snippet i found today, make of it what you will....
 
''The father of Newtown Connecticut accused school shooter Adam Lanza is Peter Lanza who is a VP and Tax Director at GE Financial (one of the many corporations owned and controlled by the CENTRAL (FED) BANKERS). The father of Aurora Colorado Batman movie theater accused shooter James Holmes is Robert Holmes, the lead fraud scientist for the credit score company FICO which works with all major banks, and is directly connected to the function of London Inter-Bank Offered Rate..
If central (fed) bankers means the Federal Reserve then it's the US Central Bank which conducts monetary policy and is also part of the US bank regulation system. GE Capital is an arm of GE, formerly General Electric.   GE Capital has about 50000 staff worldwide but isn't a bank, so isn't regulated by the Fed.  GE makes trains, aircraft engines, medical technology and light bulbs for which GE Capital will provide finance.  Perhaps not for the light bulbs.


FICO is involved with credit analysis, scoring and payment fraud systems, the ones that analyse payment patterns. Its not a ratings agency but even if it were I doubt it has the smallest involvement with LIBOR.  I do know more about LIBOR than any journalist, and most bankers and can bore at length.


This sounds like complete horseshit to me.
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Post by: deepinthewoods on December 19, 2012, 07:38:38 am
i did wonder. thanks.