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Community => Coffee Lounge => Topic started by: Roxy on October 17, 2012, 03:55:51 pm
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Does anyone know of a reasonably priced agricultural building manufacturer, please? Not the great big ones, its for my goats and sheep ....thinking 60 x 40ft or even 30 x 20ft.
I would be tempted to have telegraph poles up and erect ones ourselves, which is what the farmer alongside our new land has done, but knowing our luck, we would have the council on our backs.
Some of the prices I have been quoted - thats for the shed, delivery and putting it up, are alarming, and way over what I wanted to pay (£13,000 in one case, without the concrete panels down the sides)
I could not justify paying that prices. Want a decent shed, and as they say, you get what you pay for .....but even so. I would also have to add the price of digging out, and concrete base on to the price. May as well build a house11
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Hi
Made our goat barn for the cost £150 all in - made from palletts (not standard ones, size are 3' 6" x 5' 4" they come with PU screens on for a energy park) with a concrate floor, the roof was covered in a tarp to make the inside waterproof now is covered with roofing.
the specs are floor size 26ft x 12ft, 8ft high the walls are 12inch thick so is warm when the wind blows
will have a load of pallets in the next couple of months as htey are making another park only 2x bigger. So I am thinking of building our house from them.......
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;D Now, thats a lot more reasonable, price wise!! I take it you did not submit plans, or obtain planning permission for your lovely new goat shed? I only wish I dare follow your example, but really do not want to risk the council.......
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its a temporay building placed on a solid floor (its an old aircraft parking area, area I rent from was a airfield back in the 1940's) now being used for farming and solar generation
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Does anyone know of a reasonably priced agricultural building manufacturer, please? Not the great big ones, its for my goats and sheep ....thinking 60 x 40ft or even 30 x 20ft.
I would be tempted to have telegraph poles up and erect ones ourselves, which is what the farmer alongside our new land has done, but knowing our luck, we would have the council on our backs.
Some of the prices I have been quoted - thats for the shed, delivery and putting it up, are alarming, and way over what I wanted to pay (£13,000 in one case, without the concrete panels down the sides)
I could not justify paying that prices. Want a decent shed, and as they say, you get what you pay for .....but even so. I would also have to add the price of digging out, and concrete base on to the price. May as well build a house11
The price quoted is (sadly, due to the rocketing price of steel and all the VAT) pretty standard. We had a quote from a local (honest we think) chap and it came to approx £10-11k for a shed a little smaller than 60x40 We have the base, electrics and drainage done so it was just for the shed supply and erection.
I would say (that was a couple of years back) that specs have increased since then due to the number of sheds collapsing under the snows/in gales so £13k may not be far off.
Even on an agric holding that qualifies for the most lenient planning you would need to submit an agric building notification to the council, only temporary sheds with no concrete or hardcore base are exempt from any notifications unless you fancy winging it, trouble is something that big is hard to hide :-). 60x40x12 is also just about the limit for the notification process, (it is done on sq metreage so height matters); above that and it does need full PP even on a large holding.
For a larger, higher building like a 60x40 there arent many DIY shortcuts like there are with lower, smaller buildings, the goat shed would be quite possible to DIY but if you want a big span like 60x40, proper floor, electrics and drainage etc you would be looking at 10-15k min unless you can DIY it and dont mind lots of smaller bays with load bearing interim columns to help spread the weight.
If you went for 30x20 instead its a whole different ballgame, you would still need agric notice (or PP if your holding is too small to qualify) unless you go for a moveable temporary building (worth considering?), but it is much much less of an issue structurally in terms of the span and load, so worth considering. It might even be cheaper to DIY build two of them than build one great big 60x40, due to this, if you built in wood.
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I did post previously on our self build timber barn project 12m x 6m
http://lizburton.co.uk/wordpress/work-on-the-smallholding/building-a-pole-barn-part-1/ (http://lizburton.co.uk/wordpress/work-on-the-smallholding/building-a-pole-barn-part-1/)
http://lizburton.co.uk/wordpress/work-on-the-smallholding/building-a-pole-barn-part-2/ (http://lizburton.co.uk/wordpress/work-on-the-smallholding/building-a-pole-barn-part-2/)
unfortunately we haven't erected the frame yet as it has been so wet and we've been concentrating on doing the work on our house. A local sawmill cut all the columns and cross beams for £650 so the frame and concrete will have cost around £1000
As soon as it dries up or we get a bit of frost so that we can get on the land with a fore end loader to erect the frame I'll post more photos.
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I've seen a couple of cunning designs in the past based around shipping containers. Can't find the specific examples just now, but how about this for the general idea:
(http://renaissanceronin.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/isbu-livestock-barn.jpg)
Or if you're feeling posh, here's another one:
(http://media-cache-ec4.pinterest.com/upload/61080138666422843_CCRROMfQ_c.jpg)
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Really like that. You know they are strong as $%^& as they get stacked on the ship, built in doors, Would need to cut some decent ventilation slots as they do sweat a good bit but love it!
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I know some schools that are useing these and think the quality is OK - not sure where you are, but the price seems not too bad... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mobile-Field-Shelter-12-x-36-Brand-New-/290787128565?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item43b44374f5 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mobile-Field-Shelter-12-x-36-Brand-New-/290787128565?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item43b44374f5)
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£13k seems not bad to me for a shed of that size supplied and erected. I am getting a shed delivered next week, 12mx6m and it is costing about £9.5k. I am erecting it myself (or going to try to - I have no experience of this sort of thing) which makes things a bit cheaper. The concrete slab, drains etc all have to be added to that price.
I can assure you that, expensive though it may seem, it is cheaper than building a house!
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You can buy kit versions on eBay, but then you have to put them up somehow!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Premier-Steel-Buildings-Agricultural-Open-Farm-Shed-/150427221927?pt=UK_BOI_FarmingEquipment_RL&hash=item2306293fa7&_uhb=1 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Premier-Steel-Buildings-Agricultural-Open-Farm-Shed-/150427221927?pt=UK_BOI_FarmingEquipment_RL&hash=item2306293fa7&_uhb=1)
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Hi
Made our goat barn for the cost £150 all in - made from palletts (not standard ones, size are 3' 6" x 5' 4" they come with PU screens on for a energy park) with a concrate floor, the roof was covered in a tarp to make the inside waterproof now is covered with roofing.
the specs are floor size 26ft x 12ft, 8ft high the walls are 12inch thick so is warm when the wind blows
will have a load of pallets in the next couple of months as htey are making another park only 2x bigger. So I am thinking of building our house from them.......
That's really impressive! :)
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Roxy - google Penderfeed , "cover-all" buildings. That's what I want for my lambing shed.... at some point. I don't know if these are expensive and I guess you will still need (agricult) PP/notice. They do travel all over the country.
We built our goat house and hay shed ourselves, after finding a lot of flimsy buildings for extortionate prices. Both are 10 x 24 (dictated by the lengths of timber available to minimise waste),and built in line with each other. We had agricult PP for them, and they are now linked together with a roof :innocent:
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Anke - they are expensive with an E , I nearly choked on my hobnob.... :yum: Good for riding arenas etc due to the diffuse natural light but I dont think cheaper than a standard construction steel building with rooflights, and the curve means less usable space). However you can get purpose designed polytunnels for lambing which are smaller/cheaper, they have plastic at the top but a mesh in a strip along the bottom so excellent ventilation to minimise disease risks associated with indoor lambing.
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We built a lovely goat byre, by building up the stone walls of some sheep pens, putting York boarding (from tantalised planking) above it, and three telegraph poles to support the tin roof. The sheep pens already had a brick paved floor.
Didn't cost too much (wood, poles and tin) and took two of us three days. Didn't get permission. But then I live in the back of beyond.
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Great pics womble, We used exactly the same constuction on our building sites for materials,
with the containers as lockable units.
Up here we can find decent containers for about £600-£800, roof I would est. £600
and as a temp build I would say great.
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goats love hobnobs too don't you know (not the chocolate ones) probably because they taste like sawdust.
Roxy, if you want something that looks ok, rustic etc and non-offensive, try making one out of fencing panels - you can get new wayney edged (wobbly edged) type from b&q for £13 reasonably big size, knock in a stab (stake) at each join, get a smaller panel for a door (saw through for stable type), roof can be ply with polytunnel plastic although its probably cheaper to do corrugated transparent plastic. Get a joiner on a £150 for a day rate - it will look better and stay up longer (no offense), should only take him 2 days tops. There are always fencing panels coming up on www.freecycle.org (http://www.freecycle.org/) (sign on for your area if you want to posted a WANTED or browse what there is on OFFER) if you're not in a rush - also concrete slabs come up quite a lot too - they are pretty heavy to transport though, but then if they're free it may be worth the effort. Your base will be the pricey bit.
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My BIL built a goat house from slobs, these are the outside bits of pine trees that are cut off first before the wood is cut into fence posts etc. If you have a timber yard in the area you could ask them. They don't last a lifetime but are very cheap. Fill in any gaps between the slobs with clay or similar.
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Have to say the price they quoted you is about right ours cost about £10k 60' x 40' but OH did the floor himself and the walling in of breeze blocks.
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb220/fowgillfarm/Image0026.jpg (http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb220/fowgillfarm/Image0026.jpg)
You can see it part built in the background of this picture, we had to have planning and i had to do an essay on why we needed it ::) we're on the edge of the North Yorks moors national park.
It will always need to be bigger than you think, ours is already full of stuff! ;D
mandy :pig:
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We built a lovely goat byre, by building up the stone walls of some sheep pens, putting York boarding (from tantalised planking) above it, and three telegraph poles to support the tin roof. The sheep pens already had a brick paved floor.
Didn't cost too much (wood, poles and tin) and took two of us three days. Didn't get permission. But then I live in the back of beyond.
Im very much tickled by the concept of 'tantalised' planking. Come here my lovely plank, you know you want to, have a Fondant Fancy :-DDDDD
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I have ordered a large mobile field shelter which I can gate off, and section for the moment, while I give this some thought. Neighbour up the road has a big open fronted barn in her stable yard, its high, and big bays. Bit wasted as all she has in it is a few bales of hay, and the farrier uses it for shoeing. Not very good security wise, as it faces the road, and all can see in, as they drive past.
Thank you for all your ideas - keep them coming.
If I lived out of sight of a road, we would build our own, and although we are in the country, the fields can be seen from about 20 miles away, as they are high up!!
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Why not get the fieldshelters that can be towed about with a tractor , no planning needed.
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Be very cautious about buildings on ebay, standards can be very poor and thousands of pounds can vanish in a click.
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We built a lovely goat byre, by building up the stone walls of some sheep pens, putting York boarding (from tantalised planking) above it, and three telegraph poles to support the tin roof. The sheep pens already had a brick paved floor.
Didn't cost too much (wood, poles and tin) and took two of us three days. Didn't get permission. But then I live in the back of beyond.
Im very much tickled by the concept of 'tantalised' planking. Come here my lovely plank, you know you want to, have a Fondant Fancy :-DDDDD
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I didn't spot this typo. Glad you did l&m. Still laughing. :roflanim:
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gona having to find me my local planking car park to get a view in. . :)
Great pictures of those shipping containers with roofs on. Do you think it would stick under strict planning guidelines?
I heard that the guy off that channel 4/5 program was building a house on a trailer bed, is this true? If so it seems to reinforce the idea that even if a building hs only got wheels with enough clout to drag it along - its portable?
Sheds are quite expensive, load of new legislation and safety factors - you've got to either choose a pro job or a few mates job, evenings, picking stuff out skips, hammer and nails job. Both are as good as the other in the right surroundings and uses.
With making anything that involves animals - plan for the worst case scenaio. :)
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The shipping containers wouldnt get round planning as they stand I dont think because they have no means of being moved like skids or (preferably) wheels - they have to have the ability to be towed rather than carried ie temporary and portable in nature, rather than just one in many councils eyes, tho it might be worth a try, if the structure was simple enough and the roof could be removed and reused once the containers were moved elsehwhere they might accept it.
I dont think Kevin McC was responsible enough in pointing out in words of one syllable and very clearly the care he had taken to comply with the strict rules (ie building on a trailer that did have wheels, which makes it ok), I hope others dont spend lots of money and pour love and hours into their projects only to have to pull it down as they didnt realise the crucial significance of the wheels.
Its also usage that counts - we have a static caravan - which has wheels and is portable (tho usually only travels far enough to get to the convenient place to be winched onto a lorry). But the council would still require PP if someone was living in it (unless it was an agric worker eg for harvest etc)
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Mobile field shelters have been getting a lot of attention round here if they can be seen from anywhere and don't actually move. Then the enforcement notice arrives.
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The one we have ordered is from a local stable firm, and they are pricey but built to last. The skids are pricey too .....like a big heavy sledge. But we know we will be asked to move it, so wanted something substantial to tow!! Have seen two field shelters round here blown about in the gales and end up at the far end of the field, upside down. One had not been up for more than a week, and was wrecked. Measured how high we are, and its 1000ft above sea level, and exposed, so anything up here has to be substantial.
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Lol on the tantalised planking, bloody 'auto-correct' :roflanim:
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The one we have ordered is from a local stable firm, and they are pricey but built to last. The skids are pricey too .....like a big heavy sledge. But we know we will be asked to move it, so wanted something substantial to tow!! Have seen two field shelters round here blown about in the gales and end up at the far end of the field, upside down. One had not been up for more than a week, and was wrecked. Measured how high we are, and its 1000ft above sea level, and exposed, so anything up here has to be substantial.
That sounds like a good low risk plan :-)))) will you angle iron stake them down or something, I know we have to here with anything moveable.
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Just a word of caution - we had 2 shipping containers in our field and our lovley neighbours complained to the local council and even though technically we should not have been asked to move then, the council made us as we had built a barn for storage which was their argument.
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The moble stable will definitely have to be anchored down ......which may not go down well with the council, but better than being blown away.
Well, having spoken with the council today, they are sending two forms out for me to ask my questions ...for which I have to pay ofcourse. One is to explain about the building I want, and the other isto ask if its ok to have a mobile shelter. It will not give me permission, but hopefully say if i need permission.
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The moble stable will definitely have to be anchored down ......which may not go down well with the council, but better than being blown away.
Well, having spoken with the council today, they are sending two forms out for me to ask my questions ...for which I have to pay ofcourse. One is to explain about the building I want, and the other isto ask if its ok to have a mobile shelter. It will not give me permission, but hopefully say if i need permission.
As long as the anchors are removeable 'on demand' it shouldnt make too much difference - good luck!