The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Smallholding => Equipment => Topic started by: Womble on October 14, 2012, 11:10:21 am
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I hate to say it, but winter is definitely on its way! So, I thought I'd post a quick review of our new frost free tap, just in case anybody else is considering installing one.
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j216/Blutack/TAS2011/3.jpg)
The idea is pretty straightforward. Basically you make the water connections 2 feet underground below the frost line, with all the mechanical gubbins for the tap also located down there out of harms way and operated by a long push-rod. There is a little hole at the bottom of the standpipe that lets the water drain out (again, below the frost line) after you've finished using it, but is blocked off when you open the tap.
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j216/Blutack/TAS2011/Freeze_Proof_Hydrant1.jpg)
Installation was pretty straightforward - we were having new water pipes put in for the holding and house anyway. You just dig a deep hole, fill it with some gravel for a soakaway, install your tap to 2ft deep, cover with more gravel, and then finish with earth.
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j216/Blutack/TAS2011/1.jpg)
We also installed a stop tap chamber and double non-return valve just to be on the safe side, since I had read (http://www.state.in.us/isdh/22446.htm) about the hazards of this type of tap potentially back-syphoning into the water supply (this IS possible in the event of a seal failure and loss of mains water pressure).
So, does it work? Well, we haven't had any cold weather to test it yet, but I'm absolutely sure it will. It gives a decent flow of water, which is adjustable and can also be locked off if required. It also has a handy lip for hanging a bucket over.
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j216/Blutack/TAS2011/2.jpg)
The one hitch I've found is that if you leave a hose connected to it after it's shut off, it WILL back-syphon down into the soakaway, which is obviously not a good idea.
To counter this, I always make sure I disconnect the hose after use, and in any case I've made sure that the hose is free draining down to its end, since there's little point in having a frost free tap if you only have an iced up hose to connect it to!
The other downside of course is the cost, at over £100 :-\ . However, it's also very well made, in a reasurringly old fashioned sort of way, and I fully expect it to last a lifetime if serviced occasionally.
Also, if it saves us all the running backwards and forwards with buckets we did two winters ago, I don't think we'll begrudge the cost! We bought ours from Supplies for Smallholders (https://www.suppliesforsmallholders.co.uk/farm-yard-hydrant-outside-tap-non-freeze-p-2838.html) :thumbsup: , though I see they're now available from a few other places in the UK too.
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j216/Blutack/TAS2011/3.jpg)
I hope that's helpful folks!
Cheers,
Womble.
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I ever so nearly ordered one of these a couple of years ago, but then we realised that if the ground is frozen then so is the soakaway...
I don't wish a really hard winter on you, Womble - but if you get one, I'd love to hear how the tap performs!
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Hi Sally,
The idea is that the ground never freezes that far under no matter how hard the winter gets, so I do think it will cope with the worst of our winters. I'll let you know how we get on!
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i would love that tap to work i had 2 bursts last ye re 10 in 2010 i mend all the frozen pipes i leave the water running its OK to minus 10 then that's it .It would have to take minus 20 to work for us .In 2010 the frost was 3 foot dawn did not throe till end of April . 2009/10December 2009 started on a mild note but it wasn't to last and from mid-month temperatures dipped with some widespread falls of snow. The cold continued right through Christmas and toward new year, which meant it was another cold December with temperatures widely 2-3c below average. More cold and snowy weather greeted us in the new year and this continued through much of the first half of January before milder air returned for a while, although the cold did make a return by the end of the month. The cold theme then carried through into February and although it was often cold and frosty initially,later in the month bought some major falls of snow - especially in Scotland. Overall the winter was around 2c colder than average making it the coldest winter since 1978/9. It's also worth noting that northern Scotland saw it's coldest winter on record! iv said enough .
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Looks great Womble and I imagine great for most winters in most areas. I truly wonder what on earth can be done when things freeze deep though..VF... Might be worth checking out what our fellow pig people do over the Atlantic.
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mind you womble, i would definitely make sure i was wearing gloves when you use it during a big freeze, i have images of your hand being stuck fast frozen on,
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yup womble frozen to the tap with his peacock perched on him ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Good tip DITW, thanks!!
Bloomer - yes, he probably would do that as well! ;D
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Looks and sounds like a great product Womble. Was it very far over £100?
My only concern is that water may be in the mechanism which freezes the pivots so plenty of grease needed. We use motorcycle chain lube for padlocks. A heavy grease in a solvent that penetrates and then evaporates getting the heavy grease into hidden spaces.
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Hi Womble,
From the pictures looks like you have made an excellent job of installing the hydrant.
From a post above - the mechanism does not freeze - we sold a couple to another forum member last year - and he has reported back that they worked perfectly last winter in minus 14 temps.
If you cant justify the expense of a hydrant, we also have other non-freeze models of taps available that fit through the house wall - both cold taps and hot / cold mixers that work on the same principle.
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Hi All,
Just thought I'd report back now we've had a week or two of freezing conditions. Now I know it's not been desperately cold, but we've still had it cold enough to freeze our other three outside taps and the lines to the troughs. The frost-free tap continues to work without any issues though :thumbsup: .
In fact, my only issue has been that the hose I connect to it keeps freezing up, despite being arranged so it should drain, so I'm onto filling buckets most mornings ::) . However, that is still far better than filling buckets at the kitchen sink and carrying them across the icy yard, which was where we were two winters ago.
So, a definite :thumbsup: from me for the Woodford. I'm very glad we spent the money now!!
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That's great to hear, Womble. We're planning on a revamp of the stables this year, maybe I'll treat myself to a one of those as part of that. :thumbsup: Cattle-handling first, though, just got a grant towards a fancy new crush :excited: - but they've been so long deliberating on the grant applications, it's too late now to do any projects involving cement until after lambing, realistically ::) Never mind, we're grateful for the assist. :)
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Given the recent cold snap, I thought it a good time to revive this thread!
The water to all our troughs and hoses has been frozen for over a week now. I've been removing thick slabs of ice from the duck's bath every morning, and topping up with buckets using the frost free tap.
Overall, this is undoubtably the best thing we've bought for the smallholding, especially since we installed a security light next to it to help on dark winter mornings.
Anyway, just a quick bump as a heads up to folks on here (too late! ;D ) who may not know these are available.
HTH!
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I use bubble wrap :eyelashes: :innocent: :roflanim:
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Yes, and we've got two layers of foam pipe insulation on the tap in the other field, but it's still been frozen for over a week now.
It's cold up in these thar hills Doganjo! ;D
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We put a couple of these in three years ago and they just work. The tap is either on or off but that's fine for our needs. Every so often I forget to remove the hose from a bucket I've filled and it does indeed syphon it into the soak away.
We did quite a chunky pit around ours because we're on clay. Didn't want the soakaway filling.