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Livestock => Pigs => Topic started by: Squinky on August 20, 2012, 07:08:16 pm
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We look after a sow for someone who should farrow in the next month by the look of her. She has 3 kids from her last litter still with her (31 March). Our setup is such that it is very difficult to keep groups separate successfully. Question: can we risk leaving the 3 with her and let her sort things out for herself? There are 3 arcs in the field so they could sleep safely away from their mother. Not ideal i know, but this is the setup we have. Thoughts/experiences ?
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Seems an unusual set up, are you sure they're coming back for her? You may have to explain more about the situation.The person/people you're pigsitting for what have they told you to do? They must have left some instructions!! ??? ::)
Well first off are you keeping her until farrowing? and have you any idea when she's due
If so then you definetly need to get fencing in place to separate the 3 from her, they cannot stay with her, but in saying that if they were born end of march they should be ready to go to the butchers in mid September depending on breed and be out the way by time she farrows. Is this what the owners have intermated?
Have you farrowed before? if not do some reading up on an urgent basis.
Book those youngsters into the abbattoir are they boys or girls? They must be about 17 or 18 weks old by now.
Until you give us more info thees not much more help we can give you.
Wait to hear more and will help if can
best Mandy :pig:
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Thanks Mandy, I'll provide more detail. We arent complete novices btw and the more a learn about pigs, the more I realise that they are very clever and dont need too much interference from humans.
We havent been left "instructions" as they are here. They just look at them and eat the produce!
She was running with Middle White boys until the end of May. We tried, but couldn't keep them apart for the fencing problems I indicated. So she could farrow up to the 3rd week of Sept at the latest.
Her existing three (they are Saddleback x Tamworth btw) wont be ready to kill till 10 months old anyway as we are old and slow here. Mid Sept is 5.5 months ! And most definitely not what we are about. Still babies.
They are all gilts. We sold the boars.
Why do we "definitely [size=78%] [/size][/size][size=78%]need to get fencing in place to separate the 3 from her, they cannot stay with her ". This is what I was asking in the first place. TBH I'm pretty confident [/size][/size]that when she is ready to farrow she will chase her 3 off to one of the other arcs and get on with it. My concern is more what the 3 older ones may do to the litter (assuming they get anywhere near as I've seen the sow in action protecting her babies).[size=78%]
[/size]So to cut to the chase, is separation essential and if so, why?[size=78%]
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our pepper farrowed before bagging up so she was still out in woods with other pigs. she just took herself off quietly and no-one bothered her or upset her, in what we noticed. but then ours have alot of acreage to distance themselves.
how big is ur park? in a restricted area, tempers might flare.
who is responsible for the sow? you or the owners?
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So she could farrow up to the 3rd week of Sept at the latest.
Her existing three wont be ready to kill till 10 months old anyway as we are old and slow here. Mid Sept is 5.5 months ! Why do we "definitely [size=78%]need to get fencing in place to separate the 3 from her, they cannot stay with her ". This is what I was asking in the first place. TBH I'm pretty confident [/size]that when she is ready to farrow she will chase her 3 off to one of the other arcs and get on with it. My concern is more what the 3 older ones may do to the litter (assuming they get anywhere near as I've seen the sow in action protecting her babies).So to cut to the chase, is separation essential and if so, why?Thanks
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Three TW/SB will be HUGE at ten months but if you've done it before then so be it.
Your fencing sounds inadequate full stop ::) and you need to get something done about it, As princess piggy says it depends on the space they have, yes she may send off the other girls when she farrows and look for a quiet corner but they might interfere and put the new very small babies at risk, they may also attack them seeing them as rivals for their mums attentions after as you say "only babies"! its up to you. I think you've pretty much dedided to leave them all together to get on with it you just want us to tell you its ok to do it, personally i don't think it is and you'll suffer losses or injuries, IMHO if you can't do a job properly you shouldn't be doing it.
My pigs are all in sociable groups boys in one/girls in another = no accidents in well fenced paddocks, its makes life easier feeding, cleaning up and monitoring them.
As i said it your descision. Doing something now will save a lot of heartache later, the sow will still be able to see her girls thro the fencing and they'll still be able to see and hear her, it just will allow her some quality time to herself before farrowing to get settled, choose her and make her nest and a safe environment for her to farrow.
best of luck
mandy :pig: [/size]
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i would second what Mandy says it is all just common sense and observation pigs like to snuggle up to each other and i can see a problem when she farrows with others beside her unless like princess you have them in a very large area piglets are from 1 lb and sometimes even less and are a bit dovey until 4 days old and even a butchers weight pig lying on them they are gone
pigs have a habit of proving us wrong we have a sow just now her first litter was 12 and she squashed 7 of them this time she has had 13 and they are still there even tiny Tim and one of the best mothers this time even better than the British lop and that is with care and consideration not just leaving them to get on with it :farmer:
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As Robert says, this will be the biggest problem as I know to my grief. The sight of little, lifeless piglets having been lain on by big sister is awful. We live and we learn. Keep the sow and litter apart by any means whatsoever, even if you have to keep them in a small shed, your coal house, kitchen, whatever for a week or so. Good luck with your litter :fc: :) :pig:
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i know people do farrow outside in arks, but we aim to farrow in the stable, where we can be up close, and have saved a fair few lifes this way.
just a thought.
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Our sows all share one large field with five arks in it...at any one time there are up to seven sows there (with two others in the boar's field). All of our sows farrow in this field, but once a sow starts to bag up we jump at any opportunity to seperate her from the others. We wait until she settles in or near one of the arks and when the other sows are far enough away we surround her, the ark and some land with two strands of electric tape and plastic posts - quickly and quietly it can all be done in 10 minutes.
We then give her plenty of fresh straw (nothing like it to settle pigs) and then top all of the other arks with straw too. All of the sows are then far too busy playing with their fresh straw to bother about anything else. We always have food at the ready when doing this - to keep the sow where we want her while we pen her & keep the others out of the way.
Definately do all you can to seperate her from the other pigs, its not worth taking a chance that she'll want to be alone or the others will leave her alone. Once we know the sow is safe from the others we try not to interfere (pigs know what they're doing :) [size=78%])[/size]
Hope that's of some help. Good Luck! :fc:
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Peebles, Is all your breeding stock pedigree?
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Well Mandy, thanks for your very pretentious reply. If I wanted talked down to, I'd've asked to be. The size of our weaners at 10 months wasn't part of the question. To suggest they should be slaughtered at 5 months suggests suckling pig at some medieval banquet.
The fencing is new, pig netting to boot. Have you seen what a pig can get through if it wants to? I couldnt work out how 6 month old Middle White boars were getting through until I say it with my own eyes.
Perhaps i should have mentioned the area as princess piggy asked. 4 acres. One sow. Three arcs. Three water sources.
I havent decided to leave them all together. I was trying to find out if anyone had had previous experience of this situation. You jumped right up onto your high horse and IMHO if you ought to apologise for making the comment "if you can't do a job properly you shouldnt be doing it".
Quite frankly, you have been unpleasant and what's worse, no help at all ! If you are remotely interested, what we had decided to do prior to posting on here was separate them, electrify inside the permanent fence and keep a close watch. If you look at my initial post, you'll see the last word was "experiences". Something Pebbles obviously noticed and you didn't.
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Our sows all share one large field with five arks in it...at any one time there are up to seven sows there (with two others in the boar's field). All of our sows farrow in this field, but once a sow starts to bag up we jump at any opportunity to seperate her from the others. We wait until she settles in or near one of the arks and when the other sows are far enough away we surround her, the ark and some land with two strands of electric tape and plastic posts - quickly and quietly it can all be done in 10 minutes.
We then give her plenty of fresh straw (nothing like it to settle pigs) and then top all of the other arks with straw too. All of the sows are then far too busy playing with their fresh straw to bother about anything else. We always have food at the ready when doing this - to keep the sow where we want her while we pen her & keep the others out of the way.
Definately do all you can to seperate her from the other pigs, its not worth taking a chance that she'll want to be alone or the others will leave her alone. Once we know the sow is safe from the others we try not to interfere (pigs know what they're doing :) [size=78%])[/size]
Hope that's of some help. Good Luck! :fc:
Thanks very much. Helpful advice as sought.
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oh dear another one seeking advice and not happy with the advice they get
it is prudent to have them separated pigs while farrowing can be very unpredictable and they are better on there own without any interuptions or distractions also some pigs get very upset with other pigs squealing esp new born ones and can just see them as a source of food even farrowing sows are prone to this
in your original post there is no mention of electric fences and scare wires that is the set up we have and to date we have not had any escapes or unintentional getting it on
it is funny how a poster asks questions then slips a few more bits of info into that and would generate a totally different answer if all the info were divulged at the outset :farmer:
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oh dear another one seeking advice and not happy with the advice they get
in your original post there is no mention of electric fences and scare wires that is the set up we have and to date we have not had any escapes or unintentional getting it on
it is funny how a poster asks questions then slips a few more bits of info into that and would generate a totally different answer if all the info were divulged at the outset :farmer:
If i remember i did ask for more info in my original reply, as i have said before we can only offer advice on the information given by the poster and Robert has hit the nail on the head as usual, so i'm afraid no apology so thats me in the baby corner :innocent: :-J
Mandy :pig:
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Robert, Nice unhelpful reply, thanks. If you had read my last reply you'd have seen I was/am intending to seperate them. I asked if anyone had experience of not doing so. You ever heard of punctuation btw? It does make reading so much easier!
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I think, Mandy, I did give you further info as asked. There would have been no point in me asking the question I did and saying I intended to separate them. You'd have all said "go on then!" . I asked for EXPERIENCES. As your closed shop isnt able to give any, lets leave it at that.
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this is far from a closed shop every day is a learning day Sylvia has given you experiences is that not good enough the rest that have contributed have not allowed that situation to occur
don't do punctuation if you have to read it twice it just may penetrate and anyway i am very thick skinned so your Petty insult does not bother me more importantly it bothers you :farmer:
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Oh well done people! With all your thousands of posts between you that's the warmest welcome and most help you can give someone with less than 20 posts??? ???
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Squinky did say, initially that her set up was such as to make separation difficult. I, too have that problem as having no mains electricity on our land we can't put up fences with enough oomph to deter pigs.
I have overcome this problem by trading the use of a loose box, just across the pig's field for a bit of grazing for ponies when needed. I just trundle the sow over when her time comes and they settle in no time, making their nest and getting on with things.
Not everyone though has that chance.
What about a fence around the ark with fencing rail around the bottom and barbed wire attached to this?
Yes, I have learned from experience that you need to set your place up before you even think of breeding. Someone once said (Confusious, I wouldn't be surprised ;D ) "Only a fool learns from his own mistakes a wise man learns from the mistakes of others" So, feel free to learn from mine!
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Oh well done people! With all your thousands of posts between you that's the warmest welcome and most help you can give someone with less than 20 posts??? ???
Pebbles
I have said a number of times we can only offer advice or discuss options on the information given, if Squinky had said in her original post that she had stock fencing that pigs were able to get thro and she was wanting to know whether it was ok to leave the sow due to farrow in with all the rest, our advice ,may have been different, however the wording of her post was vague at best hence the request for more info which again when given was vague again, it wasn't until we gave an answer that was not liked that she actually gave us the full facts. If she took offence at the answer then so be it and i stand by my response that her sow is best separated at farowing for her safety and that of her piglets, if i had been given the full facts of the fencing arrangements initially i may have also suggested a pen within the area using electric tape or to make the stock fencing more secure with an inner ring of electric. I am not psychic nor do i have a crystal ball.
Hope this explains my response for you.
All the best
mandy :pig:
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I wanted to provide an answer but I'm now scared I'm going to get told off be being unhelpful so I'll stay quiet ::)
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Hassle all opinions are welcome if a poster doesn't like the advice then they don't have to take it.
So you might as well have your halfpennies worth!
Mandy :pig:
Ps Squinky if you're still reading i hope you have a very successful farrowing whatever you decide and let us know how you get on, coming up to farrowing is always stressful and often sanity CAN be found in these pages. Wishing you all the very best :hug:
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that is wrong hassle anybody should be able to contribute what works for one does not mean it will work for everybody say your contribution i was like these newbies at one time on here maybe my style of writting has changed well it would need to i was getting banned to often for telling it like it is
it all comes down to management of your pigs let them get on with it and have a high mortality rate or look after them like the vast majority and have a higher number of live and reared piglets per sow
it is amazing how many people come on here asking for advice then it turns out what they don't know is not worth knowing and what they do know you could write on the back of a postage stamp :farmer:
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Well when I think the sow is getting close I pull her out I have two farrowing pens .. Basically a shed with an outside run on concrete and then a separate paddock and plenty of straw.. She can go about her business with electric lights and warmthand I can look in
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And, except for a very large wood and far apart arks is the best set up, I should think, Hassle :pig: My neighbour's loose box hasn't got electricity so I shan't be planning any winter litters, but I don't have to worry about a friendly sister cuddling up to the piglets.
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Well ... seeing that we are discussing EXPERIENCES not what we would necessarily advise others to do ...
Farrowing - I always bring my KK mums in at least a week before she's due (preferably 2) as I usually time litters for early spring to allow for growing over the grass season/good weather (?). They have their own 2 double stalls (old cow byre) one for the "bedroom" & one for eating/drinking & toileting. Electric lighting & heat lamps - nice & cosy for them & me ;D
HOWEVER - the other year 2 of my farrowing gilts insisted on being in together & even nursed each other's litters (they actually broke in with each other) - no squished piglets & everyone weaned successfully. They haven't done it since, so maybe it was a 1st time mum thing.
But then my herd often surprises me - both my stud boars overwinter together - think it's to do with no girls in season & the need to keep warm - in the summer they're ready to take lumps out of each other :o
Our animals are as unique as we are & we learn from them as well as each other. :love: :pig: :love:
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Beewyched, my girls farrowed about a week apart this summer and, though they farrowed apart they went back to my fields when the piglets were a couple of weeks old. They, too, fed each others babies(just as my sister in law and I did!) and all was fine. The piglets are eight weeks old now and if one "mum" lays on her teats they will go to the other one.
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nursing mothers can go in together if they agree pedigree pigs on the other hand cannot be mixed (if the same breed )until they have been individually identified by tag notch or tattoo :farmer:
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... if one "mum" lays on her teats they will go to the other one.
I'm glad it's not just mine then - it's so sweet though :eyelashes:
Robert - ALL OF MY KKS ARE REGISTERED (pedigree) - what you trying to insinuate? :huff:
I try to only have 2 litters at any one time & because of their differing colours I don't get problems with mix-ups - maybe I'll add a :fc: just in case.
:love: :pig: :love:
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steady tiger to much of a knee jerk there single colour breeds and even all the rest if you have 13 plus piglets in each litter how for definite are you going to identify for sure which mother they come from now 13 whites and 13 black pigs that is easy also if you tag them to young they walk lop sided but dolly mixture pigs it does not matter with them
but with kunnies there is a swing to single colours just an observation before that knee jerks again :farmer:
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What me - a tiger? :innocent:
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i use to enjoy a good natter about pigs on here but its got very defensive and abrupt recently....bring back the happy vibes :hug: :hug:
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It's ok Julia - just a wee bit of leg-pulling - honest :eyelashes:
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there is a bit of banter betwean people that have met each other and some times with people that have not met which to others may seam abrupt short or whatever maybe the one liners are lost without the close proximity of others or a drink in our hands :farmer:
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It's ok Julia - just a wee bit of leg-pulling - honest :eyelashes:
i was meaning the newbies - alot of defensive comments on a few different threads. maybe its the moon :rant: :D :D
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Or the weather :raining: :sunshine: :raining: :gloomy: :gloomy: aargh
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Hi Squinky, hopefully this is a more helpful reply than the others... :innocent:
From experience, I move my sows out, just so that I have a closer eye on the piglets and can assist if needs be, however, I knew I had read something about this before, and in Oakland Pig's book; Perfect Pigs, there is a little section on:
Can I farrow two or more sows together,? This is what it says:
It is possible for a sow to have her litter within a group or with another sow/gilt present. The other pigs will generally give the new mum some space and they won't interfere with the birth. They will also not try and attack or kill the piglets (this applies to a boar too). The main problem is that a second sow will try and come into the ark and snuggle down to the new mum for warmth. The piglets can then try to keep warm and end up being squashed...
It goes on to say that if you have more than one ark (which you do) the new mum can get away from the others.
They suggest that fencing the mum off for two weeks after farrowing will mean that the piglets are big enough to get out of the way, and thats when they squeal loudest!! :D
Sometimes you've just got to grin and bare the criticism, I've had it before, as have most of the others - just as it happens, it was both of these people criticizing me! They've got their own ideas, and they don't accept anyone else's, and they feel the need for everyone to accept theirs. But Robert, Squinky is right, your spelling and grammear is so bad that I tend to ignore your posts. :eyelashes:
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... spelling and grammear is so bad that I tend to ignore your posts. :eyelashes:
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I take it you either agree or got my joke, or both :P
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nicalfud 1234 it would not be so bad if what you write was correct and if it was from your experiences you could quote from war and peace if you like will it make any difference to me not one bit will it make a difference to you yes it will because others will see just how stupid petty and vindictive you are
how can any post saying what that poster uses does or maintain there animals in any way is a wide spread view of you MUST do it my way or not at all
if i have criticised you in the past flag it back up for all to see what irks your Eyre
yes to the punctuation and it will stay if only because it bothers you
the spelling well what can i say i run it through spell check first obviously i have not managed to get the same version you run in your computer
you cant have ignored all my my posts or you would not have that nervous twitch that inspired your post maybe ignore a few more
one thing anyway can you distinguish betwean people laughing at you or with you you will need to get used to that :roflanim: :roflanim: :roflanim: :roflanim: :roflanim:
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nicalfud1234, everyone is entitled to contribute to this forum, but your petty and vindictive ramblings is of no use to man nor hairy beastie, slatting a fellow member who has a vast experience of all aspects of farming knowledge is pathetic, so what Robert does not do punctuation who gives a s**t, well obviously you do. Better not to read posts by Robert what made you decide to read this one? You quote from Oaklands book, have they contributed to this post no they have'nt. No smiley faces here, you take from this what you like.
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And you can't even copy my name correctly... ::)
I'm "just showing my opinion" , that's a common phrase from you all isn't it, when you feel it's all getting too heated? No, I don't know the exact answer, but from reading through the post, I can see that Squinky wasn't getting the support or help that he needed, especially as he is member who hasn't posted very often. Well if you cared to take more attention to what I quoted, it answered the question, and it was taken from another member's book. So if you have a problem, take it up with them, I was just trying to support someone who obviously felt under the firing line, which to be honest, he was, and give an answer which is relevant.
So you, of all people, are calling me stupid, petty and vindictive? When you are the one who doesn't understand the simple concept of punctuation, petty and vindictive, when I am trying to give a comment to assist a member who asked a question? And please, tell me how I have been vindictive? Calling me stupid is much worse than me stating that you can't use proper spelling and grammar, which you have also admitted?!
there is a bit of banter betwean people that have met each other
Well I have never met you, and yet you still told me to stop keeping pigs altogether, when I needed help, and I hardly got it.
http://www.accidentalsmallholder.net/forum/index.php?topic=24244.msg234827#msg234827 (http://www.accidentalsmallholder.net/forum/index.php?topic=24244.msg234827#msg234827)
I realise that you can only answer on the information you are given, but if you open your eyes, you could see that there are other things implied etc.
I don't need to use a spell check, because I am, whatever you want to call me, not stupid. I repeat; I am not stupid, and although I do not know Beewyched, and she could for all I know be laughing at me, but she was disappointed in how some people were acting. Well I'm laughing at your excuse for spell checking everything : "betwean" ?! :roflanim: :roflanim: :roflanim: :roflanim: :roflanim: :roflanim: :roflanim:
If you cared about the consequences of your outbursts, look at my profile, see my age, and maybe you will apologise, after all, I can spell better than you. ;D
Lill, I know full well that anyone can contribute, that is why I chose to. I have been following the post, because I have been on Squinky's end of the firing line, and I know how horrible it is to feel that people, who know diddly squat about what you do, judge you. My comment was just in agreement to Squinky, and Mandy will know that we don't see eye to eye on almost everything, but hopefully she knows that the one thing that we do agree on is that the pigs are the most important thing, and that is why, although I didn't have to comment, I found a perfectly relevant answer, so I replied - apologies if I used the forum correctly. Who cares whether it is from Oakland's book or not, it is an answer!
Here's a nice one for you; in case you are lacking any happiness; ;D
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No I am perfectly happy but i hate to see posters, i do not care how old or young they are slatting any members of this forum who has been very helpful to the people asking questions. You are entitled to your own opinion about others on this forum, but from now on your opinions is better kept to yourself.
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[move]TIME OUT FOLKS[/[/color]move]
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I'm sorry to break your new rule but what happened to
everyone is entitled to contribute to this forum
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I will not keep quiet when someone is being, what I can only describe as, victimised. Yes, Robert helped, as did Mandy, but because I have had run-ins with them both, I am less likely to see what they say as a bit of banter
Now I am quite happy to apologise, but only after I get an apology from Robert for calling me stupid, petty and vindictive. When, yes I made a snide remark - which I did in order to show Squinky a helping hand, but I also gave an answer. Which is better than what you have done, because I highly doubt that asking whether someone's pigs are pedigree will help Squinky in any way, shape or form in getting the thought and experiences he required.
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You know, I now cant be f***** with this pettyness with you.
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I don't care about the spelling, it just irritates me the fact that you don't know when a sentence starts or finishes!? Am I being completely ridiculous, or is that not the point in using a simple '.' ?!
Ha! Good one Princess Piggy, :roflanim: but how about, I respect my elders, when you treat people with equal respect for just proving a point. I will treat people with the respect they deserve, and that depends on how much they give me.
Off you pop then Lill.
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Ok, ENOUGH [/size]this is getting out-of-hand.[/size]
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well you said i could not spell so what do you expect thank you for flagging up the initial thread that got you jumping wrongly in the first place go back and read that thread in its entirety now no speed reading take it all in i have and from your description of the problems you were facing or created yourself i only asked is pig keeping really for you Mandy asked you if it was footrot i only said i have not had footrot in a pig and i live in Scotland and it is not just one breed i keep i have had several
it could be your age if you were not computer literate at 16 i would be surprised incidental my 5 children can run circles round me with the computer and when my oldest son was at university it amazed me his typing no sorry his keyboard skills i am slightly older than you at 59 some of your posts contents show your lack of maturity
if you post what you have done wrong with your pigs it is only natural to assume that some will criticise your level of stock manship you are not the first educated person to come on this forum spouting off when you have failed to read all the posts and had to be corrected all the books in the world will be of no use to you if you get mixed up with who said what
far to often with animals intelligent people just don't have it to look after animals and it is the animals that suffer through i did not think of that or i did not think that would have happened
pigs eat carrion they used to use them to get rid of the dead animals on farms
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But it wasn't just that thread, you asked me whether I should really think abut expanding my herd etc. on another post.
I'm sorry for calling you illiterate, but like some people get annoyed with gilts and boars being called girls and boys, but when I can't understand the answer, I can't know whether I am doing the same thing. Now I am not going into that former post, but I was obviously naive then to believe that asking for help with my ill sow would result in help, not victimising. I know everyone is very passionate about pigs and they all have opinions, but sometimes people go too far. I admit that some of what I have said today may have been childish, but it is still no excuse to insult someone like that. And I don't see how it is fair that a Senior member or Hero member can be supported, when you are 'slatting' me, and Squinky.
Now I know first hand that a litter will be eaten, but I do not know whether this was an alive litter, or a dead one, and I never will. So how am I supposed to know that these pigs will, when I don't know how docile, friendly and clingy they are.
But Robert, you don't know a thing about me, all you know is that I'm a 16 year old boy, who breeds OSB's and has had one or two problems in the past and isn't one to let snide remarks past. I may be educated or intelligent or whatever you call me, but I have made mistakes, as we all have, but I have help along the way. A local pig farmer comes and gives me a hand if I ever need anything and will always support what I am doing, and also, I live on a farm, where I know , and my dad knows what the life of an animal should be, and when they are suffering.
So; I apologise to Robert, for making the snide remark in the first place, when I could have/should have, just kept my relpy to an answer, and then criticizing your replies. I also apologise to Lill, for my remarks, which may have been seen as immature, but for future reference for anyone, I will not tolerate being insulted, and I will not go down without a fight.
Also, sorry to Squinky, because although he may have got his answer, he did not need any of this.
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i reply to so much on here with various subjects and all answers i hope are helpfull i don't give hugs and kisses as i have just the one face i do not have more faces than the town clock
but i do hope that people will read the posts in there entirety if people have a problem with punctuation then maybe just maybe by reading my posts twice it will penetrate and be instilled in there memory
i try to give helpfull answers to queries and never have done forty words of crap when two will Sufis i particularly despise people quoting either one word or several then taking them out of context this is usually used as leverage to get that posters view over or belittle the original poster
you are correct i know nothing about you similarly you know he haw about me but when i was your age i was running the family farm the details and circumstances are irrelevant to others
pedigree is the way forward with pigs others will disagree but it is important to me far to often mongrels are sold as pedigree and you can see the disappointment when people willing to go down that road have been duped
any questions i asked both from yourself and the originator of this thread were as i see it relevent far to often the ask-er gives the briefest of detail and as the thread develops the answers change and can change dramatically so much that the first answers are way of the mark and can make some look as not knowing much
first it is one thread that you complain about the answers now it is another maybe the second thread was answered with the first thread fresh in my memory
if by giving you answers to your quires can be regarded as slating you then i will stop giving others the benefit of my limited knowledge
it may surprise you and others just how many posters both Lillian and myself know and have met and what can be construed as snide or being cheeky is just friendly banter and if ever there was a case in point for the bale counter to get its strings cut this is it
and to you nicalford 1234 and anybody else out there with a pig problem do not hesitate to ask because with pigs speed of action is imperative for there health and your wealth no point in saying you have done a grand job when the opposite is true :farmer:
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I would just like to add to this that I think both Robert and Lillian should be ashamed of the way they are posting and are doing themselves no favours.
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i would be ashamed if i had done or said what i have been accused of and that is the crucks of it go back and reread the posts and take in all that has been written
Lillian will answer for herself :farmer:
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...and here is a prime example of why I (and I'm sure others) choose not to contribute to this forum any more!!!
There are three people on this thread on my "ignore list" (work it out for yourself!) and I suggest others use that function too, it saves wasting our precious free time reading this nonsense!
Some people just cannot resist trying to have "the last word"...can we just end this thread now as I for one am fed up getting messages that someone has posted a reply!!!!
Please??? :(
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I don't post that often as I have limited experiences and reply to offer support when needed.
:bouquet: :bouquet: (not sure what my post count is but been a member for quite a while)
or if i have had experiences.
I have read all the posts (as I will be farrowing soon and want to learn as much as possible)
Can EVERYONE stop picking on robert and Lillian. Just because they give you facts and not dressing it up - is fine. block them if you don't like it (altho' you will miss out on a wealth of experience).
it wasn't robert who got personal and from what i have read is defending and responding to personal attacks on whether educated or not and whether they agree.
the original poster got very defensive......both to Mandy and robert.. I wonder why as they have asked for advice or the offer of sharing experiences....... thats what was replied
others have just jumped on the band wagon ........
Please can this be stopped now
and the topic closed DAN
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Jeez, following reports from several members I've spent more time than I need to on a Monday morning reading through this and I'm struggling to find anyone who comes out of it with much credit. It's like the playground, just listen to yourselves. >:(
Without going into the fine detail, Squinky, Lillian, NicAlford1234, and anyone else who feels they are invested in this thread, I suggest you all read over it again carefully and see if you can't work out where you might have responded differently to prevent this degeneration. Treat it as homework. If you're all happy with what you said and happy with the outcome I suggest you might want to find another pig forum to post on. >:(
This forum is not a free-for-all. It is not run on the basis of 'anything goes'. It belongs to Rosemary and I and all those members who share our view of what it should be like. If you need reminding of what that is please read:
http://www.accidentalsmallholder.net/forum/index.php?topic=25459.msg248177#msg248177 (http://www.accidentalsmallholder.net/forum/index.php?topic=25459.msg248177#msg248177)
This thread is being locked. If any of the contributors want to raise grievances please PM me.
Thank you.