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Livestock => Pigs => Topic started by: Gary on July 06, 2012, 07:39:33 pm
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Hi a question for anyone who keeps pedigree pigs! i have a problem understanding numbering any registered stock for example the first born has no number then 2,3,4,5 etc when my next litter born from a different breed or blood line do i carry this sequence on ie 6,7,8 so on or do i start the numbering again as its a different breed or bloodline?? ???
sorry but im confused on this!!
Gary :pig:
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Keep going ;)
We've got Large Blacks (3 different bloodlines) whose piglets will number 1-21 and the OSB's will be from 22 onwards.
HTH
Karen :wave:
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aah okay thanks, so basically i just carry the numbers on regardless of bloodline or breed?
Seems a bit wierd though if you introduce a new breed and the first born with your prefix is numbered 400 even though its the first of its breed born with your prefix!!!
Pigs you got to be mad to keep them!! :D
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The only difference would be if you added Kunekunes or British Lop to your herd (ie. anything that the BPA don't hold the herdbook for).
I don't keep Lop's so can't tell you how their system works, but with Kunekunes you are sent pedigree tags for the pig when you register it on the breeding herdbook.
You'll still have their name, ie: Yonderton Warbler I, II, III, Yonderton Diana I, II, III, Yonderton Elsie I, II or in the case of boars Yonderton Alistair I, etc - so you still have the breed line and sequential number for that on the pedigree, along with the tag number. Your ear tags will have the tag number and your HDL on them...... hope that makes sense ? I get myself confused with it lol!
And yes, being mad certainly helps when it comes to keeping pigs - if you weren't mad when you started you soon will be ;D ;D ;D
Karen :wave:
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this is handy. cos i was wondering this.
i have to tag my 5 xbred piglets soon. we are on 21 now. as they arent birth notified with bpa, do they get the numbers 21 - 25, then my next tammie litter is 26 onwards?
hmmm ???
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yes you can do it that way you are also allocated a pig herd number by animal health or is it trading standards and can use that one to tag the x breeds :farmer:
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Wow up everyone I think you have the wrong end of Garys stick so to speak. If you have pedigree stock the first born of your piglets from each blood line has no number then the second of each bloodline has number 2 and so on. My herd prefix is Rhos so my first Mermaid piglet will be Rhos mermaid then the second will be rhos mermaid 2 etc. My Fairwell bloodline will be for the first born Rhos Fairwell and the second will be Rhos Fairwell 2 etc.
The numbers the others are quoting are their litter numbers, the ones that would be notched or tatood in the ears.
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As BB says, there are 2 completely different numbering systems for a registered pig - their number on their official registered herdbook certificate name will not be the same as their ear number, which is sequential for all the pigs any one breeder has produced, regardless of breed, but starting with your very first piglet as No. 1, however many years ago that was. And within any one litter, the boys are meant to be numbered before the girls. Tamsaddle
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thanks everyone, so BB are you saying for each bloodline i should start my numbers again for that particular bloodline??
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no you are confusing yourself and others as well
pedigree pig keepers have two herd marks a defra one and one supplied from the bpa kunnie or lop society both of them are tractable back to you and your herd
THEN as BB describes you have an individual identity the defra herd number is only there for pigs without any parentage and paperwork so your bpa herd no is AAA you have a cracking boar that gets marked AAA 1 and it has your herd name dunshagging old boy 1 next litter if you have had 10 piglets birth notified and you have another good one it will be AAA11 registered name dunshagging old boy 2 birth notification numbers are on a rolling basis herd book registrations are different but still has AAI or AA2 as the main identifier then it gets even better if it is male it takes the bloodline from the sire and if it is female it takes it from the female simples as they say
your herd name is usually your farm name or something significant to you no two herds has the same herd name and i doubt if dunshagging would be allowed unless you had that in your address :farmer:
hope this helps you ;) :farmer:
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Hi Gary,
Yes each bloodline starts from 0. I have 3 sows of the same bloodline so which ever one farrowed a good gilt first starts as Rhos Mermaid or if its a boar it starts as Rhos Peter Lad if that is the boar line you are using. Don't forget this is only for stock that you are registering as breed standard with the BPA.
I can't remember for sure but I think when you do it on line it numbers them automatically, certainly does when you birth notify.
What breed do you have?
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Now I'm confused! I have done all my birth notifying registering online and the numeral part of the registered name all match with the ear numbered in the piglet.
None registered from my first litter which were XDB1-5, second litter of 11, I registered 2 gilts which ended up with the registered names Fairview Golden Rose 13 & 14. Registered a january gilt from a Jacqueline sow which has been registered as Fairview Jacqueline 61, the 61st piglet I have bred and birth notified matching her ear tattoo of XDB61.
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Now I'm confused! I have done all my birth notifying registering online and the numeral part of the registered name all match with the ear numbered in the piglet.
None registered from my first litter which were XDB1-5, second litter of 11, I registered 2 gilts which ended up with the registered names Fairview Golden Rose 13 & 14. Registered a january gilt from a Jacqueline sow which has been registered as Fairview Jacqueline 61, the 61st piglet I have bred and birth notified matching her ear tattoo of XDB61.
same here, im totally confused.
surely u birth-notify the weaners at 3 weeks old then have time to choose the best to register, if any, they then keep that number on the their ears? and papers?
im have birth-notified 3 litters so far, including a few registrations. i have a xbred litter to tag and a sows progeny to register shortly ..... ??? ???
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i was confused then i seen the light everything i have said is correct so far BUT there are two ways that the name of the pig is registered the first is as i have outlined with the dunshagging herd name then the line that pig is off followed by the number first second third and so on then there is the second method that has been used by a lot of breeders they don't use the first second third numbers but use the actual number on the ear tag IE AAA 761 would be dunshagging golden ball 761
so which one is correct it would depend on your particular view how good your records are and which way you believe is correct :farmer:
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thank you for everyones help im no longer confused! sorry to any experienced pedigree breeder who may of read this and sighed!!!! BB i keep oxford sandy and black and old spots as my pedigree pigs and i have a few other breeding sows that i cross with a large white boar i have been breeding for a while now but pedigree paperwork isnt that clear to me and i dont want to get anything wrong by guessing hence my confusing with the tagging!!
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im still confused. are you guys tagging non-reg pigs as just a herdmark and not an individual number, ie not birth-notified?
do u understand it skidley? cos i did same as you... ???
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cant speak for anybody else but we do them on a rolling number basis pedigree and cross breeds all have the same 3 letters then the numbers for us that weigh and weight record every pig it is a means of identifying each pig some use the rolling number to identify herd book registered pigs others do it the traditional pedigree numbering system which is on the blood line rolling counter basis
the bpa is not clear on which system to use and pigs have been entered in the herd book on both systems even listing the herd book numbers as well which is different again as i said simples :farmer:
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i think i will just carry on and pretend i never read this thread. lol
after a few technical hitches - finally bringing home my new wee boar tomorrow...woohoo
good luck with the tagging guys :wave: :wave:
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Just to say i do same as Skidley, my latest gilts are GJF71 & 72 then GJF83 & 84 because that the number on their birthnotes, (two different litters) i find its the simplest way for me to keep track.
MAndy :pig: