The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Livestock => Sheep => Topic started by: Anke on June 20, 2012, 09:14:56 pm
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I have so far either used Crovect or Vetrazin for my summer flystrike protection, mainly because my small flock and available bottle size/use-by dates, as well as price meant that Clik really wasn't an option. However have quite a few more and now Clik is more realistic, if a bit more expensive.
My question is: Can I use the Crovect applicator gun for the Clik too?
I know they have idfferent chemicals as active agents, but I would have thought they are made from the same plastic. Application pattern seems to be quite similar.
I just don't want to buy another piece of plastic to lie around/have to dispose of if the one I have does the same thing!
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I've used a clic gun for crovect - even though the bottle of crovect told me I was a naughty boy for doing so. No ill effects so far...
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Hi Ank,
I used a 'clik' gun for crovect and got pathetic stripes instead of 'spray' Not sure if crovect gun better and would be alright using clik.
Like you I didn't want to go to the extra expense of yet another 'applictor' why the hell they can't all get together and design one gun for all applications I don't know. Though I suppose it's obvious that they all want the £24.0 it cost for each 'gun'.
I reverted back to using a hand held 'garden spray' worked out how many 'squirts' needed for the correct dose required and now use that, at least the sheep get a decent covering of spray wether it's clik or crovect.
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I use Ectofly.... it's the same as Crovect...you can use it to prevent and treat against Strike..... is about £85 for a huge 5 litre which has a long date on it and the gun which is worth about £29 comes TOTALLY FREE. I used to use Clik but in the event of Strike you have to buy Crevect or Ectofly anyhow so this seems the perfect choice to me :o)
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I am looking at Clik as opposed to Crovect as it is only one application to cover the whole summer.... one less gathering of the flock. Crovect needs two applications and Vetrazin maybe even three, although I have gotten away with two in the last two years.
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I use Clik but keep Crovect for emergencies and use the Clik gun. It needs a very firm and fast squeeze to get the fan pattern and a rapid movement to spread it evenly so practice beforehand with water.
They are both made by Novartis....
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I've used Clik this year for the reasons Anke mentions. I did buy the gun, mainly because I was worried about spilling the stuff on myself if I didn't use the recommended tool. As it was, my husband sprayed my arms with it when he 'missed' the lamb I was holding ::)
Found it very easy to clean and use though and it makes great squeaking noises (like a clarinet) when its empty
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I used Crovect this year.
It's quite thick pink stuff so I used the gun to squirt half the correct amount onto their backs and the other half into my hand and rubbed it well onto their bottoms.
Don't know if that's the right thing to do but it seemed to work and I felt I got more on them this way than other ways - especially round their back legs/bottoms
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Anke,
I have only just got my sheep so this is all new to me but used Clik for the first time this week and used their spray gun. I only have 3 sheep and must admit to making an awful job of the first 2 with just a thin stripe. By the time I had got to the third I was getting on better and did a half decent job I think.
When I was cleaning the gun out afterwards with water I found I had the best spray of all, as I wasn't worried about wasting the product or getting it over me. Therefore I would echo what SF said and do a try out with water first so that you get the feel of the thing.
Sally
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I used Crovect this year.
It's quite thick pink stuff
I thought Crovect was blue? or does it turn blue once applied? vague memories of a teal coloured sheep last year but as they weren't mine I wasnt' taking too much attention of the labels, just helping the owners :) [size=78%] [/size]
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I used Crovect this year.
It's quite thick pink stuff so I used the gun to squirt half the correct amount onto their backs and the other half into my hand and rubbed it well onto their bottoms.
Don't know if that's the right thing to do but it seemed to work and I felt I got more on them this way than other ways - especially round their back legs/bottoms
Confused ??? Crovect is blue - Vetrazin is pink.
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Oh well - whatever the pink stuff is - that's what we used
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the Clik was pink too, was a bit disappointed because I couldn't see clearly where it had been sprayed (not that the sheep is pink but they were 'off white') apart from that was easy to get on.
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Oh well - whatever the pink stuff is - that's what we used
:D
I was going to say, if you rubbed Crovect in with your hands, I hope you were using industrial strength rubber gloves; it's evil stuff on your skin and will rot latex gloves very quickly.
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Yes - I was ;D
I think it must have been Clik becasue Vetrazin doesn't ring a bell but I know our shop does Clik
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Yep Click is the thick pink stuff whereas Vetrazin is more like pink coloured water (or rose wine - if that is your preference :-J ).
Immediately after shearing your sheep you shouldn't need to use any of these products as the sheep 'shouldn't' get flystruck at this point (never say never). I believe you only need to think about applying them once the fleece gets to about 1cm.
I know it's been said before on the forum but check how long these products are active for and don't use them if the sheep are due to be shorn whilst the product is still active. They've got some nasty chemicals in them and therefore you should ensure that the shearer (or anyone else) isn't exposed to them.
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I have one Charolais in particular who I do Clik straight after shearing as she has a very greasy back full of lanolin which is likely to make her extremely sucseptible to Strike...the others i wait til their fleeces are an inch or son long before I treat with the Ectofly.
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We use a pour on/ dosing gun. We have a nozzle for pour on's and another for dosing them. We just set the gun to the required amount needed and away we go. :D
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Clik interferes with the lifecycle of the larvae and its presence on the fleece protects the whole animal. Crovect is a poison which kills larvae and works only at those areas where it has been applied. So you don't actually need to massage Clik into the fleece though Novartis recommend half the spray on the back and half on the bum.
It's not a nice chemical which is why it has a 40 day meat withhold and persistent effect. This is part of what it says on the label
Special precautions to be taken by the person administering the veterinary medicinal product to animals[/color]Operators should wear synthetic rubber gloves, a face mask and PVC trousers when applying the product.[/color]In case of skin contact remove contaminated clothing and thoroughly wash the affected parts of the body with soap and water.[/color]In case of eye contact rinse eyes with clean water for several minutes and contact physician for advice.[/color]In case of ingestion call for medical advice.[/color]Always wash hands with soap and water after handling sheep and before eating and drinking or smoking.[/color]Wash hands and exposed skin after working with recently treated sheep.[/color]Do not eat, drink or smoke whilst using the product.[/color]Handling sheep in the weeks following treatment:[/color]Do not shear sheep in the 3 months after treatment.[/color]Handle sheep as little as possible after treatment as residues remain on the fleece for some weeks.[/color]If you need to handle sheep after treatment, wear coveralls and Wellington boots. If sheep are wet also wear waterproof trousers and coat.[/font]
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Clik interferes with the lifecycle of the larvae and its presence on the fleece protects the whole animal. Crovect is a poison which kills larvae and works only at those areas where it has been applied. So you don't actually need to massage Clik into the fleece though Novartis recommend half the spray on the back and half on the bum.
It's not a nice chemical which is why it has a 40 day meat withhold and persistent effect. This is part of what it says on the label
Special precautions to be taken by the person administering the veterinary medicinal product to animalsOperators should wear synthetic rubber gloves, a face mask and PVC trousers when applying the product.In case of skin contact remove contaminated clothing and thoroughly wash the affected parts of the body with soap and water.In case of eye contact rinse eyes with clean water for several minutes and contact physician for advice.In case of ingestion call for medical advice.Always wash hands with soap and water after handling sheep and before eating and drinking or smoking.Wash hands and exposed skin after working with recently treated sheep.Do not eat, drink or smoke whilst using the product.Handling sheep in the weeks following treatment:Do not shear sheep in the 3 months after treatment.Handle sheep as little as possible after treatment as residues remain on the fleece for some weeks.If you need to handle sheep after treatment, wear coveralls and Wellington boots. If sheep are wet also wear waterproof trousers and coat.
And it stings like hell when someone 'accidentally' sprays the one part of your body not covered in said protective clothing >:( Oh well, at least I am safe from cannibalism for about another 30 days......
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Thanks - I will be using Clik, as my lambs will not be going anywhwere til autumn and the ewes have been clipped about a month ago.
It was the plan to do it this weekend - but the weather forcast is too awful, and wet sheep, oh well, maybe Woolfest is an option after all :thumbsup:
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I have a really dumb question to do with the applicator guns ...
I have looked on quite a number of sites and cannot find a the item I am looking for, which is a Crovect bottle top that allows the tube from the gun to be attached. Even better if the is also available a holder that allows the Crovect bottle to be placed on the hurdles.
I just do not wish to try and use Crovect with the bottle open. When I bought my Crovect gun there was no such adapter included, which I find surprising, is this correct? I have had to go back to using a hand held garden sprayer!
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When you buy any pour on it should come with a different top for connection to a tube ( crovect is on its 3rd model ) go back and ask your supplier, if not then i have lots of spare that i could post . Novartis also sell a back pack to carry the container :sunshine:
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Thanks for the information Shep, I think it must have become lost before I bought it from my Vet, as I never received the adapter top. If you do have a spare, then that would be great, I shall of course pay of the postage and packing. I shall send you a PM.
I shall search for the backpack, sounds ideal. By the way I saw a short training video on YouTube for Ectofly (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHFLLHOJouA#ws) which was I found very helpful.
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Will post on Monday no cost to you :thumbsup: spent 15mins looking for the rucksack ( holds any pour on or wormer / fluker of similar shape ) only found one at NOVARTIS ONE STOP EQUESTRIAN .CO .UK £12.90 they do last a very long time :wave: Video very good :farmer:
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Thank you Shep, it is really kind of you to help and is very much appreciated. I found the back pack on the OneStopEquestrian (http://www.onestopequestrian.co.uk/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=Novartis&search_in_description=1&x=0&y=0)site so shall order today, very good tip - thanks.