The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Livestock => Sheep => Topic started by: Amandawood on June 07, 2012, 12:16:55 pm
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Small flock 8 ewes and 1 ram for sale. Beautiful tame sheep. Most ewes had twins this year. Ewes 2-3 years old. Sheared and vaccinated. Offers. Can deliver.
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Helpful if you say where you are :)
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So sorry I realised after I had posted
we are in Shropshire on the north Wales border
regards
Amanda
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Are the ewes registered? and do you have any photos? :)
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Ooo and would you be willing to just let a couple of ewes go?
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I would be interested in seeing some photos too :wave:
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I might be interested in the Ram.....is he Registered please? :)
Ta.
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Yes we would sell some ewes separately.
No they are not registered although they are all from mothers that were and fathers that were if that makes sense.
I have lots of photos but don't know how to make them small enough512KB to post.
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I think the Ram was registered until he came to live with us here.
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We may be interested in a couple of ewes providing they were registered and you could email me a picture? I'm useless with computers so can't help with the photo issue sorry ::) How much are you asking for them?
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I think the Ram was registered until he came to live with us here.
If the ram WAS registered, he's still registered. You should have received papers from the previous owner.
I THINK you can retrospectively register females, but I'm not sure. If VSS is on, Dot will know.
It's a shame when animals aren't registered because they are essentially "lost" to the breed.
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would be interested if they were registered, perhaps if you contact the breed society they would be able to help? :fc:
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I'm not into Ryelands, but why are unregistered animals 'lost' to anything? I have both registered and unregistered examples of my breed. In my opinion it is far more important to choose sound animals than based on a piece of paper. If a beed society is worth its salt, it should register good examples of the breed anyway, no?
Otherwise doesnt the genepool just get smaller and smaller?
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If they aren't registered, they aren't Ryelands since registration is "proof" of the breed. They are just sheep that look like Ryelands.
There is no inspection of Ryelands pre registration - maybe there should be, but the Society relies on breeders to exercise discretion and apply the breed standard. I suppose if you have a very small breed, numerically, you need to keep everything until you can afford to be selective (I don't mean keeping unviable stock, of course)
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My sheep are Rylands. Just because they are not part of the society anymore does not mean anything. The proof does not have to come from being registered
We started with registered stock and have always used registered Rams.
The Flock Book Soc were always involved in in fighting which we refused to be a part of. It would seem that just because we didnt swell the coffers of the Soc with our money, our sheep become outcasts. I dont think so!
The nastiness obviously still goes on then. Glad not to be a part of it.
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There has been some really major changes within the Ryeland Flock Book Society over the last 3years, it is a different society. Any member of the society especially the members who have coloured sheep are not now classed as second class citizens. I am sure that anyone on this forum who have Ryelands can back this. We need to have the diverse gene pool within the society so every member counts.
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Kaz,
I am going to join but will need your help tomorrow with a couple of questions on the membership form.
thanks
Sally
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No prob. That's if the place is still standing tomorrow as we are getting really battered here today.
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My sheep are Rylands. Just because they are not part of the society anymore does not mean anything. The proof does not have to come from being registered
We started with registered stock and have always used registered Rams.
The Flock Book Soc were always involved in in fighting which we refused to be a part of. It would seem that just because we didnt swell the coffers of the Soc with our money, our sheep become outcasts. I dont think so!
The nastiness obviously still goes on then. Glad not to be a part of it.
Sorry, Amanda, if I sounded like a snotty, up myself Ryeland breeder - didn't mean to. It was badly put if you thought that.
I do think though that it's important that purebred animals are registered, regardless of the politics of the particular association, so that they are kept in the gene pool for the breed which, like it or not, depends on registration.
I agree with kaz that the RFBS does seem to have changed a lot in the last few years and is much better now. I do still feel like a second class citizen though, as a breeder of coloured sheep which are still seen as second rate by many white breeders. In fact the Society is just about to spend several thousand pounds on genetic research basically into the coloured gene (however it's dressed up as looking at other genetic issues like entropion) so that white breeders can eliminate it from white flocks - thus avoiding the DISASTER of white sheep throwing the odd coloured lamb.
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Our sheep remain purebred regardless of the RFBS.
They(the sheep) and we (as well as all other coloured Ryland owners) are not second class. Its a matter of what you like the look of and we loved the Coloured Rylands.
Apology accepted Rosemary and I am sure also that it was just badly put.
Amanda
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I've got a Ryeland ram for sale - I'm afraid he's white though, also quite tame, well very tame to be honest he's from registered stock but not registered himself, all of which seem to be faults. Oh well I'll have to try and offload him on some unsuspecting buyer in an Autumn rare breed sale somewhere. :innocent:
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I have sent you a message Amandawood. I am very interested in the sheep as a flock. It would be a shame to split them. I am not worried about the registrations as unregistered wool is just as good. I already have an unreg coloured ryeland girl who is a treasure.
Please email me or message me if you have not sold them already.