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Livestock => Pigs => Topic started by: harry on April 18, 2012, 09:24:45 pm

Title: ear tags
Post by: harry on April 18, 2012, 09:24:45 pm
hi...about to take some pigs to slaughter soon... about 11 month old kks but other breeds  later ...what type of ear tags do i need
Title: Re: ear tags
Post by: little blue on April 18, 2012, 09:44:22 pm
Check with the abbatoir - they'll have their own regulations / preferences.

Usually metal, some places want slap mark (tattoo) as well as

Ours had small metal "clip" type tags - they were fine for slaughter.
Title: Re: ear tags
Post by: harry on April 19, 2012, 04:44:34 pm
can you slap mark a very hairy Kune kune
Title: Re: ear tags
Post by: sabrina on April 19, 2012, 04:56:50 pm
We thought of slap marking but were told as of last December they must have ear tags. Ours went with metal ones.
Title: Re: ear tags
Post by: FiB on April 19, 2012, 05:20:22 pm
Ours were fine with plastic slaughter tags - so it is deffinately worth asking the abatoir what they want/need.
Title: Re: ear tags
Post by: little blue on April 19, 2012, 07:28:36 pm
can you slap mark a very hairy Kune kune

Never tried!
we just needed metal tags

In theory, yes... You might not see it until the hair is removed
Title: Re: ear tags
Post by: plt102 on April 23, 2012, 10:30:39 pm
We use metal ear tags. They're not expensive in the grand scale of things and survive the various processes at the abbatoir. We tag them in the trailer before we set off to slaughter as they are normally tucking into their favourite treat of brocolli or bread and don't seem to notice much. Saves chasing them round the pen
Title: Re: ear tags
Post by: supplies for smallholders on April 24, 2012, 09:35:14 am
Hi,

The regulations in England and Wales are : a single metal ear tag or slapmarked on each shoulder. I understand slapping is in the process of being mandated in Scotland as well.

The abattoir may have their own preference of which type of ID they like.

With tags there is always the danger that they may be lost during the slaughter processes - worst case then is the carcass is condemned, although we have never had reports of Qwiksilver tags being lost.

Slapping is the 100% certain way to ensure a good ID of the carcass - as it cannot be lost - that's why in commercial production slapping is used 100%.

Depends on your slapper as to how well they will slap "hairy" pigs - look for one that has parallel rather than tapered pins.

Thanks
Title: Re: ear tags
Post by: harry on April 26, 2012, 02:31:12 pm
been to one of our big abbotiors today asked what they req ie ear tags,,,,,,,,, not bothered they said metal or plastic they all come out in the dehairing process, they slap mark them when i bring them in so thats ok then, will use plastic as they are only for the drive there.
Title: Re: ear tags
Post by: dixie on April 26, 2012, 06:12:47 pm
You shouldn't have to slap mark, as long as they are tagged with tags that withhold carcass processing then that's sufficient, metal ones usually.
Title: Re: ear tags
Post by: plt102 on May 11, 2012, 11:57:41 am
We use metal tags and they are always still there after processing.

Title: Re: ear tags
Post by: Beewyched on May 15, 2012, 12:37:07 am
I've always used the plastic button eartag - BKKPS or Herd Tags & they've always survived the processing.

 :love: :pig: :love:
Title: Re: ear tags
Post by: supplies for smallholders on May 15, 2012, 10:23:29 pm
You shouldn't have to slap mark, as long as they are tagged with tags that withhold carcass processing then that's sufficient, metal ones usually.

All I will say is that ALL of the big 5 UK commercial producers use slapmarks and not tags.
Title: Re: ear tags
Post by: piggy on May 16, 2012, 01:10:45 am
Harry sorry being nosey as u are near me who did you go and see.

 :wave:
Title: Re: ear tags
Post by: harry on May 16, 2012, 08:29:57 pm
went to LAMBERTS Eye ind estate... they used to near Beccles but now in Eye....well did my first ones today.went ok, cant say they didnt notice, a squeel and a head shake then back to eating, small bit  of blood but all seems ok
Title: Re: ear tags
Post by: robert waddell on May 16, 2012, 08:52:06 pm
we use plastic and have never lost one in the de hairing process   but then they are not kunnies  not all slaughter houses take them :farmer:
Title: Re: ear tags
Post by: Muc on May 17, 2012, 12:09:01 pm
My abbttoir - a small family business - doesn't require them at all. Unfortunately my weaners came with ear tags. Previously this type of tag snagged on grass and caused a lot of trouble. I don't suppose there is a way of painlessly taking them out.
Title: Re: ear tags
Post by: Fowgill Farm on May 17, 2012, 12:13:21 pm
My abbttoir - a small family business - doesn't require them at all. Unfortunately my weaners came with ear tags. Previously this type of tag snagged on grass and caused a lot of trouble. I don't suppose there is a way of painlessly taking them out.

Short and sweet answer is no. but we have taken them out before as the ear had started to go manky!
If its a weaner you need two strong people, one to hold weaners steady another with strong hands to use pliers to take out the offending article, then liberally spray hole with purple or dust with wound power. They soon heal up.
For older pigs you may need to look at sedation though we have done it with a strong man(OH) with the pigs head in a big bucket of nuts with his ears hanging over edge. Same meds apply.
HTH
Mandy  :pig:
Title: Re: ear tags
Post by: robert waddell on May 17, 2012, 12:18:48 pm
is it not illegal to remove a tag once fitted  esp by a purchaser :farmer:
Title: Re: ear tags
Post by: Fowgill Farm on May 17, 2012, 12:27:23 pm
Probably but i would use welfare grounds as mitigating circumstances.
mandy  :pig:
Title: Re: ear tags
Post by: Muc on May 17, 2012, 12:35:42 pm
In the past I made up a water pistol of Dettol and sprayed the injured ear when the pig was eating.
Apart from the ear-tags, the present lot have badly sunburned ears that will need attention anyway.
Title: Re: ear tags
Post by: Fowgill Farm on May 17, 2012, 12:46:29 pm
In the past I made up a water pistol of Dettol and sprayed the injured ear when the pig was eating.
Apart from the ear-tags, the present lot have badly sunburned ears that will need attention anyway.

Daub with aftersun or sudocrem to heal and next time its sunny use sun block factor 50+ or plaster them with mud.
HTH
mandy :pig:
Title: Re: ear tags
Post by: white-blazes on May 17, 2012, 01:20:42 pm
Our first two pigs we used metal tags but weren't entirely happy that they were in properly.

The second four pigs we bought a slapper, and will use this on the next two we get this weekend.