The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Smallholding => Equipment => Topic started by: Mel on April 16, 2012, 02:38:32 am
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Hi Fella's ;)
I need a cordless drill ok,I bought this draper 18v thing as we have no power at the bottom of the smallholding,it cost £150.00 and has two batteries with it,trouble is,it is around 6months of age and the batteries last about half a dozen screws.(though it has been used almost constantly)
I saw somewhere that the 24v are better,but I need a lighter weight one with lost of power,ok,one job which needs doing is the greenhouses to be screwed down to the slabs,this Draper can drill one hole and then goes flat.So something which is capable of drilling 10 holes in slabs and then screw in the screws as well! ???
I have trawled the internet for 3 hours tonight-hence being up so late looking for something suitable and it is all way over my head.I don't want one of these sds drills as they look really heavy and I have no idea what sds means.I need something which shall at least have the battery life to do one job from start to finish-like the greenhouses,I do not wish to spend fortunes as I cannot justify it and and have other things on my plate at the moment,even better if anyone has a good second hand one to sell I would appreciate it,if not,Please can you point me in the right direction!
p.s. Please I do not do Chinese sorry and all that but nope,having seen a lot of the musical instruments produced by them I would not touch them with a barge pole!
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This is where they have you by the wotsits. The tools are cheap but the batteries are expensive and are mostly Chinese.
You want light and powerful but battery powered and costing small change? I wish.
Older batteries are NiCd, more capacity comes with NiMH but at greater cost, now there's LiIon but guess what the price is even steeper. I can't see that changing voltage to 24 helps because it's capacity you need.
All the tool companies are doing "special offers" all the time of course.
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its also about the capacity of the batteries
i have a full kit of the dewalt 18v NiMh system (haven't upgraded to LiIon yet) with the 2.6Ah batteries (they do some 1.3Ah which are rubbish) this is good kit not the stuff you see in DIY sheds...
The batteries are getting on a bit 4 years old now so don't last as long but from new 1 battery would have done all 10 of the holes in the concrete you wanted...
Downside the drill plus 2 batteries and charger would be at least £300
If you want i can give you model numbers etc
How far is it from power to the bottom of the small holding?
For really tough drilling i use a mains SDS drill and as i use it in some difficult sites have 200m of power cable to allow me to use it where i need... but then i also need mains for other tools so were worth the investment.
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i use a leaded drill for heavy drilling also, would it not be better to just replace the batteries for your existing drill?
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i use a leaded drill for heavy drilling also, would it not be better to just replace the batteries for your existing drill?
I had thought of this but it is around half the price I originally paid and thought what is the point if they are only going to last 6 months. ???
Small Farmer and Bloomer:
Now there you go getting all technical on me ;D ,I do not understand the principles about batteries,i.e.Lion,Nimh and nicad even though my late father was a whizz with all of this!The bottom is probably 300 yards or so,I have never measured it though I have an electric extension cable which is 50 metres and only goes from the top shed to the beginning of the field,I would certainly need to buy 3 to 4 more ' 50 metres to reach where I need it to.so they are about £40 ish each,that's £160.00
So,do I just buy an extra 4 extension leads-only I have never found one longer than 50 metres long!??!
Bloomer,yes please send the model numbers and I guess I shall have to have a good think about which is best in the long run.
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ok model numbers will have to wait till tonight as i have stuff i'm supposed to be doing but batteries is easy
generally cheapest shortest life span though...
NiMh is Nickel Metal Hydride, these are better they do have memory but it takes a lot longer to build up and they can in part be rejuvenated by fully discharging and recharging over a12hr period, eventually they still wear out...
LiIon, Lithium Ion, the current dogs danglies, developed to meet the demands of the mobile phone industry and upsized for tools, these are expensive (for my kit £100 each) but in theory have no memory so should last a lot longer, i haven't tested them for big kit but i have a few in smaller tools and they are great...
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ok model numbers will have to wait till tonight as i have stuff i'm supposed to be doing but batteries is easy
generally cheapest shortest life span though...
NiMh is Nickel Metal Hydride, these are better they do have memory but it takes a lot longer to build up and they can in part be rejuvenated by fully discharging and recharging over a12hr period, eventually they still wear out...
LiIon, Lithium Ion, the current dogs danglies, developed to meet the demands of the mobile phone industry and upsized for tools, these are expensive (for my kit £100 each) but in theory have no memory so should last a lot longer, i haven't tested them for big kit but i have a few in smaller tools and they are great...
Thank you Bloomer!
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Erm Leghorn - surley you mean "folks" not "fellas"?
RMB Equal Opps :wave:
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Erm Leghorn - surley you mean "folks" not "fellas"?
RMB Equal Opps :wave:
Sorry about that Beewyched ,(I am all for it btw ;) :wave: ) I live in a village where all the other women would give me that strange expression if I asked the same question,I have done before and they all say,Ask Bill or Pete etc etc. ;D Though they are all rather amazed at what I have done with my smallholding in the belief that I am some sort of super hero :o Not btw! My late Gran did build all her walls around her farm by hand :thumbsup: so I guess it is in my blood!
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No probs Lh :thumbsup:
Our landlords think we're both completely mad too!
Re the drill - my OH does most of that, I'll ask her later when she's back from her work.
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No probs Lh :thumbsup:
Our landlords think we're both completely mad too!
Re the drill - my OH does most of that, I'll ask her later when she's back from her work.
Brilliant,Thank you ;) :thumbsup:
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now now ladies we just have the sex never mind the equality bit
anyway sds = is a type of chuck quick realease and no chance of it spinning in the chuck like ordinary ones that work with a key also you do not have any thing to lose
best cordless thing is a gennie batteries run out when you have a pressing job to do just the same as thermall cut out switches with welders
where tools are made well it would surprise you the best equipment is hilti but that is now made by Bosch were ever Bosch get them made Chinese shite will always be Chinese shite but there are better made Chinese ones look a t japan they reinvented the British motor bike and car (the original designs were British)
tools just now are a good price the building trade is buggered so they have to sell to somebody it is just getting the right one :farmer:
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OK maybe I am the wrong sex, and I must admit I don't understand the technicalities - but over the years I have had to buy equipment for various "blokes" who have worked for me, and on the basis they can normally b&^%$£r most pieces of equipment up fairly quickly however expensive it happened to be - on the drill front I have normally gone to my local discount store for a biggish but cheap one (normally around the £50 mark) then binned it when it "broke"
However I have often thought the way forward might have been a small generator
http://www.powerproduct.co.uk/budget-power-generators.html (http://www.powerproduct.co.uk/budget-power-generators.html) as it would service other pieces of equipment as well.
I am pleased to report that the current contingent of "helpers" this year seem to be of a higher standard than in the past though time will tell, we are currently trying to get the mower (that the last "helper" b**^%$*d up ) back into working order so we can at last mow the lawns.
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No use for drilling into concrete, but for many small jobs a hand drill (brace and bit) works fine no need for batteries or a power source. We have a great big old drill which belonged to my OHs grandad, plus a modern one which has lasted for ages, and both are used a lot. We also have a battery powered drill which currently lasts a fair while but as someone else says always runs out just when you need it. For a big job away from power we use a generator, which we bought for all the power cuts we used to get and mainly now use for the log splitter but does come in useful for drills, electric saw and so on.
Isn't it always the same though - you just want to do a quick job but first you have to sort out lots of other things so it becomes a huge task instead of something simple ::) I just want to plant out my potatoes, but first I have to move the old strawberry bed and before I can move that I have to prepare the new strawberry bed to move the good plants into, but the new area is full of nettles and thistles.........and once I've moved the strawberry bed I still have to weed it and rotavate it and manure it before I can put the spuds in (should have done it last autumn but I have been ill)
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now fleecewife don't be going and overdoing things it will get done sometime just when is the big question
i have an auger (the ones they used on old ships i also have a brace and bit and the first power drill i ever bought (a black and Decker two speed that is 43 years old and still works ) a makita slow speed drill that would break your wrists if not carefull a DE Walt cordless drill for these silly things and a hilti Te35 drill/ demolition hammer for drilling into the whin stone and concrete a tool for every job ;) :D :farmer:
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Did I start something here ;D
You know I recently turned down the offer of buying a silent diesel generator from a neighbour whom was asking £1200 no questions asked :o all I know it was quite big,on wheels and yellow :-[ He said it would have been £5000 new..mmmm.I do not have this type of spare cash hanging around and I think he is a bit of a rogue.Or I get that impression from him.
This is a good idea though and like fleecewife said,it is always when you are in the middle of something,all I want to do is make ten holes to screw down the greenhouse and it has become a major event!
Robert,Thank you for explaining sds I think I get it now though have seen these sds drills and they look huge!Though I am no Russian shot putter by far :D ! I know like musical instruments,the Chinese ones are becoming better,but none of them sound like any of my vintage Saxophones.No where near,and the build quality leaves a lot to be desired,on that I would prefer perhaps German or something else with a bit of quality but without costing the earth-if there is such a thing :) .
Even though I rather took a gamble with this 18V cordless Draper and it has lasted since last June-both batteries are useless now,I could buy two more,then they last another 8 months or so and have to go through the process again so I think i should probably accept defeat and buy something expensive..oooh,now that is going to be hard as not being rude,but I look at a drill and say it cost's £200.00,I just cannot fathom why it is so expensive,Do you know how many bottles of Miss Dior that is hehe! ;D ;) But there again,I am so tired of not being able to finish things off,on this side,I could,reluctantly part with more cash than I really wish to!
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http://www.screwfix.com/p/dewalt-xrp-dcd925b2-gb-18v-2-6ah-ni-mh-cordless-combi-drill/55060 (http://www.screwfix.com/p/dewalt-xrp-dcd925b2-gb-18v-2-6ah-ni-mh-cordless-combi-drill/55060)
well thats the current version of what i use alot!!!
mine is 5 years old (i just checked the accounts to see when i bought it) of the 2 origianal batteries 1 would still hold enough charge to drill your 10 holes assuming not ridiculously hard concrete... the other battery is totally shot but it did get dropped in a bucket of water once which didn't help.
I have 3 other batteries of exactly the same type at least 3 years old and they are all still doing fine...
Would i buy another one oh yes...
but not from screwfix there are cheaper places out there they were just easy to find a link!!!
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your paying for the quality of the motor and components, drills, particularly hammer drills take alot of stick!£200 isnt expensive for a good cordless, you could spend double that.
a drill is only as good as the bit in the chuck ;)
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DeWalt-DCD925B2-GB-DCD925B2-Cordless-XRP-Combi-Drill-18v-2-x-Batteries-/390370176539?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item5ae3e02e1b#ht_1755wt_1270 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DeWalt-DCD925B2-GB-DCD925B2-Cordless-XRP-Combi-Drill-18v-2-x-Batteries-/390370176539?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item5ae3e02e1b#ht_1755wt_1270)
and thats the same drill at a price i would part with money for it!!!
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and whilst i'm thinking about it good quality drill bits will make drilling concrete so much easier...
old blunt drill bits are a waste of time good quality sharp bits will make the job much easier, hence enhancing battery life...
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nice drill bloomer! im a bosch blue man meself. im still using one of theirs, sds hammer with rotostop, that i bought secondhand 10yrs ago.
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on drill bits you cant do better than hilti drill bits whin stone is the hardest stone there is and there bits go through it like balsa wood hilti have also reduced there prices and they deliver as well :farmer:
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nice drill bloomer! im a bosch blue man meself. im still using one of theirs, sds hammer with rotostop, that i bought secondhand 10yrs ago.
my sds kit is bosch and i love it...
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your paying for the quality of the motor and components, drills, particularly hammer drills take alot of stick!£200 isnt expensive for a good cordless, you could spend double that.
a drill is only as good as the bit in the chuck ;)
Ah,now there is a point,the drill bits we have were given to us in a set,blue flimsy box with silverline on the front.
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eBay (http://www.%20[url=http://www.accidentalsmallholder.net/goto/ebay/).co.uk/itm/DeWalt-DCD925B2-GB-DCD925B2-Cordless-XRP-Combi-Drill-18v-2-x-Batteries-/390370176539?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item5ae3e02e1b#ht_1755wt_1270]http://www. eBay (http://www.accidentalsmallholder.net/goto/ebay/).co.uk/itm/DeWalt-DCD925B2-GB-DCD925B2-Cordless-XRP-Combi-Drill-18v-2-x-Batteries-/390370176539?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item5ae3e02e1b#ht_1755wt_1270
and thats the same drill at a price i would part with money for it!!!
Mmm,I can go to that you know.Thanks for that Bloomer :thumbsup:
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the drill bits with silverline on the box, treat yourself to something better you don't need every size so buy a single bit that is the size you need of a good make and you will be impressed by the difference.
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on drill bits you cant do better than hilti drill bits whin stone is the hardest stone there is and there bits go through it like balsa wood hilti have also reduced there prices and they deliver as well :farmer:
Is this ok Robert?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hilti-TC-C-12-17-12mm-SDS-drill-bit-NEW-/251037420426?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item3a72ff0b8a (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hilti-TC-C-12-17-12mm-SDS-drill-bit-NEW-/251037420426?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item3a72ff0b8a)
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the drill bits with silverline on the box, treat yourself to something better you don't need every size so buy a single bit that is the size you need of a good make and you will be impressed by the difference.
I have just posted a link to one on the ebay,is this a good deal and like Robert said about the quality will they last?
Thanks again Bloomer
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yes that is the ones but remember there are three types of sds sds sds plus and sds max :farmer:
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Ok, my OH says hers is a B&Q "own brand" 18v one. Though can't remember what it's called & I'm not going out to look for it in the dark :o
She's had it for over a year & it's been used on all manner of things - pig housing, chuck runs, mending the pig trailor when the gale blew half a byre roof onto it, putting-up new desks at her office (& she's the manager ::) ) both batteries are going well still - don't know if it's got anything to do with the fact she totally flatlines the batteries before she charges them again.
Oh, the bitys that came with it are pretty crap, so she uses old ones from previous drills we've murdered in the past ;D
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silverline are bargain basement, buy a good brand of drillbit, youll never look back, hilti are the mutts. i highly rate makita drills, my drivers batteries are just wearing out now, after 6yrs.
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yes that is the ones but remember there are three types of sds sds sds plus and sds max :farmer:
Ohh Robert ;D ,now I am completely lost ??? ,what on earth is the difference between them all and which is suitable for my needs please! :D
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the drill bits have writting on them or embossed with what sds fitting they are but remember if you buy them the drill bits and get a better drill it would have to have the same chuck the big hilti drill i have has interchangeable chucks to suit the bits :farmer:
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Do they do normal ones too? ???
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normal what do you mean :farmer:
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non sds i'm guessing
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normal would be a tightening chuck. sds and sds plus are interchangeable. sds max are not.
get a good sds drill mel and a good set of bits.
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Its not well known that DeWalt is the name Black & Decker put on tradesman's tools. which is not being rude about B&D - I'm very happy with my 18v tools and battery life is good.
They often do good deals on the drills cos when you have the drill and a coupe of batteries you're going to buy the saw or whatever that uses the same batteries aren't you?
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My advice to you is to go down to a local wood yard that supplies timber, fencing and roofing materials as they will also supply the tools that the blokes in that line of work are using.
Over the last year I have had to replace the roof on my place of work. Whilst watching the 'chippies/roofers/etc' do the job, they use fantastic little power drill / screw drivers. These machines caught my eye. After batting on doing other jobs with my old cordless and trusty traditional Hitachi wired drill of 25yrs vintage, I knew it was time to up date, particular with regards to working in the field, knocking timber boxes together out of old pallets and such like. So I asked one of the lads at the wood yard. They have Bosch and other good brands, but I have ended up with a Millwaukee, I presume American badged, made I know not, but it is awesome. Very small, two small batteries that last, I mean last and helish powerfull, will send No 8 screws in to wood and build a box on a pallet on one battery. It also fits into my day sack. (Small ruck sack that goes everywhere with me, a good military skill).
It cost £150. I was in the garden centre purchasing seeds, 5 plastic seed trays ... £7.00 ?? I have knocked 2 biggens together out of old wood and ply in the time it would take me to earn £7.00.
"It's the man (person) with the tools that counts". My old man often sez!
Money is worthless, Bankers are ***$*?kers, purchase a good drill and keep it in your Day Sack / Hand Bag (delete as applicable ). You know it makes sense. :thumbsup:
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non sds i'm guessing
Yes that's right :D
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normal would be a tightening chuck. sds and sds plus are interchangeable. sds max are not.
get a good sds drill mel and a good set of bits.
Trouble is,they look so heavy.I bought an almost new electric drill off of the ebay a few weeks ago,and did not take much notice of this-the size,it also is a Draper 1100W hammer drill identical to the link below,it arrived and I just cannot lift it to use it,so this was a waste of money as far as I can see!I have to resell this one now,what a nightmare. I only paid £29.00 for it including p&p so I do not think it was dear,but imagine it arriving and not being able to lift it. :-[
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Draper-76478-1100W-230V-Hammer-Drill-/280763312050?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item415ecc27b2 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Draper-76478-1100W-230V-Hammer-Drill-/280763312050?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item415ecc27b2)
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Draper-76478-1100W-230V-Hammer-Drill-/280763312050?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item415ecc27b2 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Draper-76478-1100W-230V-Hammer-Drill-/280763312050?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item415ecc27b2)
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£75 for a new draper drill the same model it does look big
the normal chucks when used with the rottary hammer action can lock and be an absolute bugger to free off that is why they invented the sds system far easier to change the drill bits even girllies can change them
just think of the old fashioned system with a four pointed chisel rottated by hand/wrist and battered with a hammer at the same time and a plug of wood inserted
i will get photos taken and post them latter today of the drills and drill bits :farmer:
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Second hand genarater 1/2 kva makita drill second hand tool sale local mart drill all day.
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(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh640/lillianwaddell1/DSCI0259.jpg) shows the differance betwean sds and sds max
(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh640/lillianwaddell1/DSCI0260.jpg)shows the tips of the drill bits the four star head is hilti the other is a cheaper drill bit that the tungsten tip wears down and falls off
(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh640/lillianwaddell1/DSCI0262.jpg)showing the tip of a drill bit
(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh640/lillianwaddell1/DSCI0265.jpg)the size differance betwean a battery drill and a hilti :farmer:
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Hilti are the best drills and make the best bits...
Dewalt I rate good but overpriced. My personal prefernce is
bosch and makita.
Robert I am curious as to the unusual vehicle (maybe) that is your photo backdrop.
looks 1950's -60's I'm just nosey ;D
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Hi BB,
Lill here, could tell you but that would be too easy, give a few guesses then I will tell you.
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Well, it's looks fibreglass, access panel at the back could possibly
house lights - Guess 1. end view of the side car for your Harley Davidson ? ;D
next guess should go to next viewer
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thrust 3?? ;D or a bit of an austin healey.
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Them are rally spot lights. Still difficult to work out the car, could be a humble Mini in a Monte Carlo Rally spec ??
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Trabant?
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great!!
but what is that vehicle?????????????????????
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OK the vehicle is an r plate disco 1 with a light pod on the bonnet it was bought and built to do offroad events with one particular event in mind that involved looking for code boards in the dark in forrests and offroad sites hence the extra lights
i am like this with other peoples photos see something and enquire about that part leaving the main subject alone :farmer:
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Cheers Robert now I can stop scouring google looking for it ;D ;D
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;D just had to google a disco 1 ;D
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We have Bosch rechargable drill and screwdriver kit. Used weekly initially and now almost daily since 2000. Had to replace one battery so bought two batteries at £50 each. They have had upward of 50 charges and still seem fine.
For serious work I would get a 1.5KW generator. Nothing fancy like a Honda EU. We have one in the shed at the far end for occasional work. Cost £80 s.h.
Could cable it, but make your own extension lead from proper rubber cable with 2.5mm csa flexible wire conductors as the volt drop on the cable for anything smaller will render a large appliance unusable. Cable comes from trade electrical retailer and will be £1 per metre plus VAT. Ours has it on 100 metre rolls. A normal 13A extension lead will use 1.5mm csa and be plastic sheathed -overheats in use so large volt drop and difficult to coil or uncoil in Winter.
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I spent years with 'DIY' drills then discovered Festool ......never looked back...really professional equipment, loads of power and great batteries...not cheap but worth every penny
http://www.festool.co.uk/PRODUCTS/Pages/Product-Overview.aspx (http://www.festool.co.uk/PRODUCTS/Pages/Product-Overview.aspx)
mine is a C12 and more than capable of most things....just drilled a steel bracket to mount a 50mm towball....nae bother!