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Title: Hi All Advice Reqired (newbie)
Post by: vandamiam on March 18, 2009, 11:42:04 am
How do you and where do you register a small plot (1 acre) as a smallholding ???
p.s im in fife
Title: Re: Hi All Advice Reqired (newbie)
Post by: HappyHippy on March 18, 2009, 03:43:51 pm
Hi,
Welcome to the forum  ;D
Try this link for info
http://www.smallholder.co.uk/news/927599.registering_a_holding/ (http://www.smallholder.co.uk/news/927599.registering_a_holding/)
In Scotland it's SEERAD you have to contact initially,
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/Agriculture (http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/Agriculture) the land may have a CPH number if it's been registered previously. If not they'll give you the forms you need to fill in.
Once you have your CPH number you'll need herd numbers for any livestock, again SEERAD will give you advice on this - good luck with it & let us know more about your plans  ;D
Karen
Title: Re: Hi All Advice Reqired (newbie)
Post by: Fluffywelshsheep on March 18, 2009, 05:53:55 pm
Welcome to the groupand i believe a couple of people on the forum is in fife (ish)
Title: Re: Hi All Advice Reqired (newbie)
Post by: vandamiam on March 18, 2009, 11:04:25 pm
thanks all i will get on with it        the ground probably isnt registered yet as it is at the minuit an old decommisioned railway line will probably have to go for change of use too
Title: Re: Hi All Advice Reqired (newbie)
Post by: Hilarysmum on March 19, 2009, 08:08:14 am
Hi welcome what do you plan to do with your plot?
Title: Re: Hi All Advice Reqired (newbie)
Post by: vandamiam on March 19, 2009, 05:47:47 pm
Well I would Like to put up a poly tunnel and try some chrysanths for my wifes shop and the usual veggies for eating and sell any surplus. I quite like the idea off willows for fencing and hobby use and pussy willow for the wifes shop too.As for animals we quite like the idea of hens for eggs.
Thatl do for a start I think.
Title: Re: Hi All Advice Reqired (newbie)
Post by: carole h on March 19, 2009, 06:47:05 pm
It'll be plenty to keep you going for a while! Good luck with everything - it's great fun.
Title: Re: Hi All Advice Reqired (newbie)
Post by: Rosemary on March 19, 2009, 08:11:52 pm
Hi and welcome.

Where in Fife are you?
Title: Re: Hi All Advice Reqired (newbie)
Post by: vandamiam on March 19, 2009, 10:16:20 pm
Hi im in leven at the mo but the plot is up at largoward we have not secured it yet but hopefull it should be soon.
Title: Re: Hi All Advice Reqired (newbie)
Post by: Rosemary on March 20, 2009, 09:38:22 pm
Fingers crossed for that, then.
Title: Re: Hi All Advice Reqired (newbie)
Post by: northfifeduckling on March 22, 2009, 04:58:38 pm
Hi! From Brunton/Newburgh. :&>
Title: Re: Hi All Advice Reqired (newbie)
Post by: Rosemary on March 22, 2009, 08:10:05 pm
My parents in law were in Newburgh this weekend. John's bought a spinning wheel so he can do something productive with our fleeces. He said there was a really good shop there with really nice people, who sell spinning / weaving / felting stuff. I can't remember the name though.
Title: Re: Hi All Advice Reqired (newbie)
Post by: northfifeduckling on March 22, 2009, 10:10:01 pm
Twist Fibre Craft, Rosemary. Lots of arty and crafty things going on here now, makes it worth a visit. :&>
Title: Re: Hi All Advice Reqired (newbie)
Post by: Rosemary on March 23, 2009, 09:18:00 pm
Sorry, off topic but Twist Fibre Craft sounded really good. We might have a run through some time.
Title: Re: Hi All Advice Reqired (newbie)
Post by: sandy on March 24, 2009, 07:50:26 pm
Hello, my in laws live around your area. The idea of growing all that stuff is great, I love flowers and pck my own bare, well almost :bouquet:
Title: Re: Hi All Advice Reqired (newbie)
Post by: vandamiam on April 02, 2009, 06:56:59 am
Well ust an update. We have decided that the piece of land was not the best start off option as it involved a very lot of muck shifting just to get started. We have our eye on a couple of fields for sale. The area is much too large (14 acres) but the vendor isnt wanting to split the two fields. So we have prety much decided to go the whole HOG and develope a buisness plan and go for planning to put a twin unit mobile or log home on the land and do it propper full time (for me anyway) my wife will still run her shop.
I think the small field might have the potential to be planted in willow for long term fuel use as its about 4.5 acres but about 1 acre is boggy.
The big field we will subdivide into smaller paddock type enclosures for the differing stock/activities pluss this alows for rotation. The plan is to leave about 2 acres which we can get ploughed and put into food vegies taters and carrots and the like plus my polly tunnel/s.
Well thats the plan. Think ill go to church and pray for more hours in the day tho.

ta ta
Martin :farmer:
Title: Re: Hi All Advice Reqired (newbie)
Post by: Hilarysmum on April 02, 2009, 07:48:07 am
Thats really good news, good luck hope it all goes through ok.   :D
Title: Re: Hi All Advice Reqired (newbie)
Post by: Rosemary on April 02, 2009, 09:13:40 pm
Good luck! We'll look forward to hearing all about it.
Title: Re: Hi All Advice Reqired (newbie)
Post by: vandamiam on April 03, 2009, 09:41:16 pm
HI yawl
Well we put in a householder inquiery form in to the planning dept about the twin unit  we have been unnoficially told no chance but im not having that. We have in fife last year had a travelling site of about 10 mobile homes ( a private one at that ) been built on virgin farm land.
There was a refusal but no notice was taken of the stop notice. So in the end the council gave the required permission.
So that means there is a planning president and im going for it.
Will keep posted
 ta ta
martin :farmer:
Title: Re: Hi All Advice Reqired (newbie)
Post by: doganjo on April 04, 2009, 01:33:46 pm
Well done - keep those planners on the run. :farmer:

I'm trying the same tactics with a plot I have in Aberdeenshire.  Precedent set in village less than 2 miles away to double the number of homes and extend the village boundary, but a restriction in hamlet  of 20% of current stock of housing - mine is a gap site so I'm not having that. My architect and lawyer are on the case.
Title: Re: Hi All Advice Reqired (newbie)
Post by: vandamiam on April 04, 2009, 08:13:08 pm
We all got to assert ourselves Doganjo.
part of their reasoning for permission in the end was that travelers are equivelant to an ethnic minority and as such they need a site so that they can rest up before travelling on.
Well I do believe that there might just be more travelling folk in the UK than there are smallholders so therefore do small holders fit into an ethnic(way of life ) minority.
I wondered if irt came down to throwing punches at the end, that i may try the being descriminated against ploy ie. one way of life being favoured over another way of life. It must be an "ism" of some kind.

Up the Workers
ta ta
Martin :farmer:
Title: Re: Hi All Advice Reqired (newbie)
Post by: doganjo on April 04, 2009, 10:19:52 pm
Well, I have to admit to a bit of capitalism here - I want to sell the plot for a good chunk of money so I can re-invest down here.  But I MIGHT just buy woodland - went onto www.woodlands.co.uk as I saw one of their signs the other day and am very tempted!  Not quite sure what I'd do with it mind except train my dogs on it.
Title: Re: Hi All Advice Reqired (newbie)
Post by: vandamiam on April 05, 2009, 07:29:45 am
Hi I have looked at that as well but you have to enter into a binding covenant when you buy a plot. This is a bit restrictive. But have a look at a company called SVA auctions they sell off tracts of land and property from main utility companies. Sometimes for an absolute snip.
regards Martin :farmer:
Title: Re: Hi All Advice Reqired (newbie)
Post by: doganjo on April 06, 2009, 12:04:27 am
Yes, I looked at the covenant - didn't look particularly onerous.  I think I'd be too scared to bid at an auction.  couldn't see any guide prices on their website either.