The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Community => Marketplace => Topic started by: furryfriend on May 19, 2011, 02:48:09 am
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hi i have some lovely little pigglets ready now.i have all blacks and pink and black spotted.males and females (unrelated) i have been keeping and breeding these for the last 6 years as a little hobby and i have the parents and the grand parents here to see.these little ones will grow aprox 12"-14" high.im looking for £200 for them or possibly swap. south wales
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is there such a thing? i may just go to local market and get a weaner for £30 saves time on waiting for them to grow for meat ;D
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We all know there is no such thing as a guaranteed micro/mini pig; cross bred runts is more accurate. Could be small, could be enormous at 6 months, either way it's potentially a disastrous way to sell a farm animal. No genuine livestock keeper will pay £200 for a weaner given the price of pig feed, so by definition many will end up as 'pets' and pigs are not suitable as household pets, especially if it involves them being sold singly. :(
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just takes longer to get to fatten up as there grow to same size unless there the runt as you say lach :wave: ;D
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It's like banging your head against a wall isn't it ::) There will always be people who keep this myth going and gullible fools who believe them. Unfortunately it's the poor old pig who comes off worst :'( Halwill market this week, Kune weaners--£2 apiece!!! I wasn't there unfortunately.)
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as this section suggests (marketplace) i thought this was the place 2 advertise not 2 have a discussion.we all have an opinion but there are places 4 that! I have described as best i can what i have 4 sale! They are not runts or unhealthy in anyway! As stated the parents and grandparents are here 2b seen! They are not a large traditional farm breed nor are they TEACUP pigs (they could sit in a bucket though) but they are perfectly healthy perfectly formed small pigs that are perfect 4 people with limited space who wish 2 have the great experience of keeping pigs! So it would be much appreciated if people step of the proverbial soap box and keep this thread as a for sale and not a discussion!
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Meeaw!!
On that note, did anyone see the photo of the piglets in the Daily Record today? Very cute!!!
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just a question no argument intended how can you try to sell something that dont exist? is it not illeagle to falsify adverts? just a question now before anyone bites
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just a question no argument intended how can you try to sell something that dont exist? is it not illeagle to falsify adverts? just a question now before anyone bites
you'd have to buy one as described and when it weighs in at 100kg plus im sure trading standards would be interested :-)
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1st of all they do exist cause i see them everyday....they arnt figments of my imagination. There is nothing false about my ad i have been as truthfull as i can.if these miniture pigs don't exist maybe u should contact certain publishers who have written books about them and ask them is that legal.bloomer please feel free 2 report this ad 2 trading standards if it bothers u.and just 2 prove 2u that these are what i have described i am offering u 1 of these free of charge so that u can try ur best 2 rear it 2 100kg! Yes we all know whats been going on with this new craze but belive it or not there are a few genuine people out there not trying 2 make a profit and just cover food,bedding,vets etc and keep a hobby/interest going.
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as per previous post, to sell (or give away) a pig singly would be cruel and breach animal welfare principles unless the new owner already has pigs so I doubt anyone on here will be taking up on the offer......
....and £200 is not the going price of a weaner whether commercial or rare breed, there are good local sellers of free range registered rare breeds who can't find buyers at £60 for weaners and that is the price that just covers their costs: the other £140 would be what exactly.....hobby expenses?
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1st of all they do exist cause i see them everyday....they arnt figments of my imagination. There is nothing false about my ad i have been as truthfull as i can.if these miniture pigs don't exist maybe u should contact certain publishers who have written books about them and ask them is that legal.bloomer please feel free 2 report this ad 2 trading standards if it bothers u.and just 2 prove 2u that these are what i have described i am offering u 1 of these free of charge so that u can try ur best 2 rear it 2 100kg! Yes we all know whats been going on with this new craze but belive it or not there are a few genuine people out there not trying 2 make a profit and just cover food,bedding,vets etc and keep a hobby/interest going.
I would dearly love to take you up on your offer furryfriend, but I'm all the way up in Scotland and unless I could talk my sister (in Nottingham) into bringing it up I don't think the logistics would work ???
I keep Kune Kunes, the smallest 'recognised' breed in the UK and have been very outspoken and anti micro/mini/teacup pigs purely because of some of the stories I've heard about and some of the pigs I've seen first hand. BUT I know that there are 2 sides to every story and there are some genuine folks out there. I have said recently that I'd like a 'mini' just to see how they compare in size, temprament and ease of handling compared to my KK's.
Sadly, the breeders who've been getting all the publicity lately are the ones who don't really have much of a clue about animal welfare or genetics and do seem very money driven (can't mention names for risk of being taken to court :o) Also when questioned most micro breeders become really defensive and don't actually do anything to help convince me about the reliability of the breed.
I'm not having a go here furryfriend :bouquet:but can you tell me a bit about the pedigree of your pigs please ? Where did they come from (UK bred or imported from Europe) Do you have any kind of paperwork to back up their breeding (equivalent of a 'pedigree') and would you be able to give sizes and weights of fully mature pigs (3 years old) and of piglets/weaners please ?
I would also defend your prices to the vast majority ;) £200 for a micro is VERY reasonable (remember guys, most breeders are selling these for £500+) Although £60 for a weaner is widely accepted as the price for a 'meat' pig if I were to sell mine for that I would barely break even on costs coming from feeding (pig food & fruit & veg) hay for bedding and the vaccines, wormers and all other associated costs that go with keeping pigs.
You are right furryfriend - you posted a for sale ad - but since I think you're a fairly new forum user you've obvioulsy not seen all the older posts on here about micro's and some of the horror stories, we feel the need to comment and try to help the public decide whether keeping a pig as a housepet is actually the right choice (and sadly, it isn't :() they're not house pets, they're pigs. Smaller and cuter but still pigs and as such sould be outside with their noses in the muck as nature intended ;)
Please come back to me with your answers, cos I really am interested and don't just want to have a go at you.
Karen x :wave:
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It's went very quiet ??? I was really hoping for some answers :-\
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wer going to south wales in august. id happily pick up a free piglet and do a height /weight check over 12 mths, if u would like? :wave:
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mini/micro/teacup pigs are not a breed, the breeders breed from the runt of the litter to keep them small. I do not agree with this, this is interfeering with nature.
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mini/micro/teacup pigs are not a breed, the breeders breed from the runt of the litter to keep them small. I do not agree with this, this is interfeering with nature.
Whilst I agree with your sentiments, it has to be said that any breeding of animals where natural selection is denied is interfering with nature. It's only when breeders have little or no idea of genetics and sensible breeding practice that problems occur. I am not suggesting that the OP falls into that category.
Most breeds of domesticated animals are selectively bred for specific traits which are desirable to us, and line breeding and, at times, in-breeding, are the means by which developments are made. Yet many people recoil in horror if one suggests using two closely-related individuals in a breeding programme.
All the poultry breeds have been developed using line-breeding techniques, yet people still believe they can improve on their stock by consistently using unrelated stock. Line-breeding and occasional in-breeding, with timely use of a suitable outcross, is what fixes desirable points in a breed. The problems occur when undesirable points are perpetuated in a breed, and this can be caused by ignorance, or bad choice of stock, or just plain bad luck.
Good breeding is not just about producing perfect babies; it requires a critical breeder and much culling or, at the very least, the non-inclusion of certain individuals from the breeding pool.
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I met a real live micro pig yesterday :-\ She'd come (as a weaner) from Little Pig Farm down south (Jane Croft's place) along with her sister. The sister died 2 weeks after arriving and the owners are still waiting for a refund, the pig is now 16 months old ::) and lovely though she is - she is NOT small. She looks for all the world like a vietnamese pot bellied pig, but with a serious worm burden, weight issues and what looks like a touch of mange. Not to mention the bad leg and eye problems - the new owners were given NO CARE INFORMATION and the seller delivered the pigs to them so they never saw parents, conditions etc.
I can honestly say, that she's much the same size (if not bigger) than Beewyched's 16 month old KK. But I'm going back to worm her this pm, so will know her weight by then and report back ;)
Lill - there are some European micro pigs which are recognised in their own countries and are backed up by a long pedigree of consistantly small size and good health, some of them have made their way to the UK - but most of the micro's here originated from Rob Rose in Cumbria (guy off the Lakes programme) so draw your own conclusions on that one ;) (I'm banned from watching it now lol!)
Karen :wave:
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the pot belly pigs appear in most if not all dwarf pigs the ones at lanark , him from the lakes his pigs ,Jane crofts pigs
yes breeding is a funny old thing there was a programme on the telly about pigs ages ago were an intensive farmer had derived his breeding stock from some ugly foreign pig that had 18 teats to enable his pigs to rear larger than average litters
just heard today pets at home were selling these dwarf pigs(don't know if direct or an advert in the store) and somebody was keen to have one in her flat at £700-£800 per pig in all probability it would be the guy that was trying to sell them at lanark
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Okay, so Mollie the micro weighed in at 110Kg :o
Her heart girth is 1.24m and length is 1.04m, not sure yet how it compares to a 16 month old KK (will check tomorrow, when the wind has stopped) but my 8 month old castrate is 50Kg.
Can't see that Pets at Home would be allowed to sell micro pigs (can you imagine the legislative hoo ha) but you never know ::)
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well 110 kilos is not mini micro or dwarf that is one big pet and once it gets shot of its worms it will get bigger
it was somebody that works beside my daughter phone has been busy all day at pets at home :pig: (falkirk)
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somebody was keen to have one in her flat at £700-£800 per pig
I know sometimes it's hard to keep away unwanted visitors, but spending £700 on a house pig still seems a bit extreme to me!!
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where about are you in s. Wales i'm looking for a small boar
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Myvada
THER IS NO SUCH THING AS A SMALL BOAR......... ARE YOU BLIND OR NOT READ WHAT HAS BEEN WRITTEN!! ::) ::)
Boars grow big, all my three could sit in the palm of your hand, one is now 45 stones, one is about 40 stone and the youngets at 9 months old is around 20 stone.
GET A GRIP THERE IS NO SUCH ANIMAL.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr.... some people!
Mandy :pig:
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I met a real live micro pig yesterday :-\ She'd come (as a weaner) from Little Pig Farm down south (Jane Croft's place) along with her sister. The sister died 2 weeks after arriving and the owners are still waiting for a refund, the pig is now 16 months old ::) and lovely though she is - she is NOT small. She looks for all the world like a vietnamese pot bellied pig, but with a serious worm burden, weight issues and what looks like a touch of mange. Not to mention the bad leg and eye problems - the new owners were given NO CARE INFORMATION and the seller delivered the pigs to them so they never saw parents, conditions etc.
I can honestly say, that she's much the same size (if not bigger) than Beewyched's 16 month old KK. But I'm going back to worm her this pm, so will know her weight by then and report back ;)
Lill - there are some European micro pigs which are recognised in their own countries and are backed up by a long pedigree of consistantly small size and good health, some of them have made their way to the UK - but most of the micro's here originated from Rob Rose in Cumbria (guy off the Lakes programme) so draw your own conclusions on that one ;) (I'm banned from watching it now lol!)
Karen :wave:
Just caught up with this thread - oh dear, here we go again with the "micro" thing :o The 16-month old KK gilt (currently staying with her boyfriend at HH's) is by far the largest KK we have - probably by at least 4 inches in height - so that expensive, unhealthy "micro" pig is certainly not small!!!
Karen - have you managed to work out her weight yet - I'm most interested to see what she should weigh (for those who don't know she (the gilt) was rather spoilt & "porky" :D before she went on her honeymoon :-[ )
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I think I mentioned in another thread that the ONLY mini pig lives wild in the Himalayas, is ten inches high, about sixteen inches long and weighs about ten pounds, fully grown. THEY CANNOT BE DOMESTICATED!! in case anyone is packing a suitcase(with room for a couple of piglets ;D) and booking a flight!
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Pets at home in Taunton had an advert in for mini/micro pigs which didn't go don't to well when I told the people that were interested in it that there is no such thing and showed them pictures of a fully grown pig and what they could end up with for a stupid amount of money. These people were nice and had land and common sense so I gave them details of the local market and also some breeders details in the area which they are going to look into. They said it would be nice to know what size they are going to get finally and then could accomodate the pigs properly - I like sensible people even if they did see my tantrum :-[
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Just caught up with this thread - oh dear, here we go again with the "micro" thing :o The 16-month old KK gilt (currently staying with her boyfriend at HH's) is by far the largest KK we have - probably by at least 4 inches in height - so that expensive, unhealthy "micro" pig is certainly not small!!!
Karen - have you managed to work out her weight yet - I'm most interested to see what she should weigh (for those who don't know she (the gilt) was rather spoilt & "porky" :D before she went on her honeymoon :-[ )
Just figured it out ;)
Okay, Portia (the porky :o) and pregnant Kune Kune tipped the scales (well, the piece of rope ;)) at 112Kg, so she's a whole 2Kg heavier than the 'micro' :o BUT she's MUCH prettier ;D :love: :pig: :love:
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Just caught up with this thread - oh dear, here we go again with the "micro" thing :o The 16-month old KK gilt (currently staying with her boyfriend at HH's) is by far the largest KK we have - probably by at least 4 inches in height - so that expensive, unhealthy "micro" pig is certainly not small!!!
Karen - have you managed to work out her weight yet - I'm most interested to see what she should weigh (for those who don't know she (the gilt) was rather spoilt & "porky" :D before she went on her honeymoon :-[ )
Just figured it out ;)
Okay, Portia (the porky :o) and pregnant Kune Kune tipped the scales (well, the piece of rope ;)) at 112Kg, so she's a whole 2Kg heavier than the 'micro' :o BUT she's MUCH prettier ;D :love: :pig: :love:
Well, I think that settles it then - at over half-way through her pregnancy, a registered, full grown (& spoilt :D ) Kune Kune gilt (who is the largest in our herd) weighs just 2kg more than an expensive, unregistered, of questionable breeding, "micro" pig sold by one of the UK's most prominant (infamous?) "micro" pig breeders !
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Check your email Lynne, I've sent you a photo ;)
Karen :-*
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IMHO Kunes are much, much prettier than "micro" pigs
:love: :pig: :love: