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Livestock => Poultry & Waterfowl => Topic started by: zeeteecee on April 12, 2011, 12:21:21 pm

Title: flubenvet?
Post by: zeeteecee on April 12, 2011, 12:21:21 pm
I have some flubenvet and 1o hens to worm.  what dose do i use?i'v tried reading the instructions and thought someone else here may be able to explain it!
seems a bit complicated to me!

 ;)
Zarla
Title: Re: flubenvet?
Post by: daddymatty82 on April 12, 2011, 07:44:06 pm
i think its something like 6grms to 1kg of food so get your scales out weigh up the feed and then mix that and only feed that for a week or so untill it runs out but im not sure its just a guess mine need doing in next few weeks and my stuff is out in shed so need to read up on it myself
Title: Re: flubenvet?
Post by: jaykay on April 12, 2011, 08:20:53 pm
It's bad isn't it  ::) I got so fed up with trying to work it out, I buy that food (Marriage's?) with it mixed in the pellets when it's time to worm  :P

"Chickens and geese: 1.2 kg Flubenvet 2.5% Medicated Premixture per tonne of feed. Dosage equivalent to 30g flubendazole per tonne of feed (30 mg/kg). Treat for 7 consecutive days."
Which is less than a teaspoonful (1tsp is about 1g of flour, for comparison) I used to add oil to make it stick to the layers pellets - easier with mash. As you can see from such tiny amounts you have to mix it pretty well. Hence me giving up and going to 'ready-mix'.
Title: Re: flubenvet?
Post by: zeeteecee on April 13, 2011, 08:15:52 am
why cant they sell it in liquid form so we can just squirt it into the ration? 
iv worked out their daily ration, and so i'll givit a go-otherwise i'll be buying the marriages food too!
thankyou!

Z :wave:
Title: Re: flubenvet?
Post by: rbarlo32 on April 13, 2011, 03:11:46 pm
there is a wormer that you add to there water. same drug just can't remember its name. you could not get the mix right adding it to dry feed.
Title: Re: flubenvet?
Post by: Frieslandfilly on April 13, 2011, 08:04:13 pm
I love this post! It is very difficult to work out the dose if like me maths is not your strong point, in the end I worked it out and it does end up less than a teaspoon, i wrote it on the side of the tub in permanent marker so i remember, I am also considering the Marriages feed, much simpler!
Title: Re: flubenvet?
Post by: BlueDaisy on April 14, 2011, 09:32:52 am
My tub of flubenvet says "120g flubenvet per 100kg food", which works out as 6g flubenvet to 5 kg food ;)
Title: Re: flubenvet?
Post by: Buffy the eggs layer on April 15, 2011, 08:40:55 pm
The liquid is called vermex but I cant get mine to drink it as they free range and because they dont like it they find water elsewhere. I can only get it down them in the winter when they are stuck in the coop.

Buffy
Title: Re: flubenvet?
Post by: hughesy on April 15, 2011, 09:35:11 pm
On the subject of vermex not long ago I read an article in a trade magazine at work. (I work at a farm supplies place) It was about a test which had been performed on three groups of birds to determine how effective wormers were. Group 1 was treated with flubenvet, group 2 with vermex, and the third group received no treatment as a control. Flubenvet resulted in succesful clearance of the worms, however the vermex treated birds and the birds not treated at all came out with exactly the same result. Not sure if any vested interests were involved in the article but it certainly makes you think.
Title: Re: flubenvet?
Post by: supplies for smallholders on April 15, 2011, 09:42:19 pm
Hi,

Flubenvet and Verm-X are totally different products and work in different ways.

Verm X is a herbal product with no egg withdrawl period

Flubenvet is a chemical product - with no egg withdrawl for domestic (own use) BUT a 2 week withdrawl if you sell the eggs.

Both have their uses and drawbacks, their fans and sceptic's

However, verm X are offering worm count kits with their products in promotional packs at the moment - I dont think they would go to this extreme if their product didnt work

Thanks
Title: Re: flubenvet?
Post by: princesspiggy on April 15, 2011, 09:55:08 pm
i just saw an advert, for in-feed wormer for chickens. that would be handy, just feed it for a week.
Title: Re: flubenvet?
Post by: shetlandpaul on April 15, 2011, 09:56:41 pm
buffy there is a liquid version of flubenvet the same drug anyway.
Solubenol 100mg/g Oral Solution Poultry Wormer
as SFS says vermex is completely diffrent. its more a preventer. maybe clear with a medical wormer 1 or 2 a year and then use vermex for the other treatments. But as long as your birds are healthy and they are in a clean area then your worm counts should be low. but nowt wrong with free worm counts.
Title: Re: flubenvet?
Post by: Rosemary on April 19, 2011, 10:11:45 pm
Flubenvet is a chemical product - with no egg withdrawl for domestic (own use) BUT a 2 week withdrawl if you sell the eggs.

How can there be a different withdrawal period for eggs you eat yourself and eggs you sell? It's either dangerous or it's not  ???
Title: Re: flubenvet?
Post by: plt102 on April 20, 2011, 02:29:11 pm
I read somewhere that diatomatous earth could act as a wormer if you add it to feed. Anyone had any experience with this? We use it to control mites in the coop.
Title: Re: flubenvet?
Post by: supplies for smallholders on April 21, 2011, 10:16:31 pm
Flubenvet is a chemical product - with no egg withdrawl for domestic (own use) BUT a 2 week withdrawl if you sell the eggs.

How can there be a different withdrawal period for eggs you eat yourself and eggs you sell? It's either dangerous or it's not  ???

Hi Rosemary,

Like most things - once you start selling you become a commercial producer, and as such have to jump through the hoops of the same regulations as the commercial egg producers etc. who are far more tightly regulated than smallholders who generally grow / fatten etc for their own use.

selling eggs at the gate or to friends makes you a commercial enterprise in the eyes of the law, thats why anyone selling to the public would be very wise to have some form of liability insurance.

Thanks
Title: Re: flubenvet?
Post by: Rosemary on April 27, 2011, 03:03:01 pm
I have liability insurance; selling direct to the public at the farm gate is much less regulated that say through a retailer. The argument about commercial v smallholder is tenuous and in any case doesn't answer my question - why a different withdrawal period for eggs for my family to eat and eggs to sell?

Just checked the National Office of Animal Health, which is where I should have started  ::)
This is what it says:

"Meat
Birds must not be slaughtered for human consumption during treatment.
Treated birds may be slaughtered for human consumption only after 7 days from the last treatment; the meat withdrawal time is 7 days.

Eggs
There is no withholding period for chickens producing eggs for human consumption when the product is used at the recommended inclusion rate; the egg withdrawal time is zero days."

And no mention of whether the eggs are for sale or home consumption  ;D