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Livestock => Pigs => Topic started by: Helencus on January 19, 2011, 10:40:16 pm
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Hopefully this one will put folks off inside out BBC1 Monday night time differs per region.
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I dont have telly can you post after the programme with comments or details please.
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Will do
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Many thanks. Will start on the tranquilisers now to prevent huge rise in blood pressure ...
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I know makes your blood boil but the trailer looms like it's intended to put folks off not an advert. We will see.
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As I now live out in Oz I unfortutely don't how the oppurtunity to watch it.
We don't have Micro's in Oz, only miniture pigs, something I would love to do in the future.
The breeding of Micros in the UK seems to something that some breeders are not always doing too well, but why breeding a micro pig is any more difficult to breed than that of a commercial pig I do not fully understand, unless of course to con is that its not a "micro" pig but a commercail pig.
I would like to try and compile a list or be able to inform other people, in the UK and other countries, as to where you can purchase the genuine article.
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most of us here are not 'pro' micro pigs and all that it involves..............so i won't get started or i won't stop... >:(.................. breathe..... and relax ;D
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I don't really see a major problem with breeding a micro/minature pig, and accept your veiws and don't have a problem with them, but there are people who wish to purchase this type of pig, and I don't have a problem with that as long as they are housed correctly, that thay have plenty of space, and that they are well looked after. Inother words thay need to be kept in properly.
So inorder to try and do this let start with the breeder, and find out which ones are the genuine ones!!!!
So where is the best place to go in the UK????
Happy Hippy has mentioned Jane Scudamore and I am going to try to find the site for her pigs and get more info.
And thanks for the input. ;D
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I understand and completely respect your views. Sadly micro pigs attract huge amounts of money and have become almost a fashion accessory. Sadly the majority of micro pig breeders judging from their publicity outlets are more akin to puppy farms than accredited breeders.
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Fully agree with you, but there must be some reputable breeders out there, so who are they or not is the question and can we find this out????
Lets hope we get somewhere!!!
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Happy Hippy has mentioned Jane Scudamore and I am going to try to find the site for her pigs and get more info.
And thanks for the input. ;D
Wendy Scudamore runs the UK Kune Kune herd register, and is a well respected and highly knowledable KK breeder. http://www.bartonhill.co.uk/cu.php (http://www.bartonhill.co.uk/cu.php)
Jane Croft runs the "Little Pig Farm", and has been the subject of some controversy (see other posts on this)
Without restarting what have been heated debates, the main bone of contention seems to be between those who are happy to sell individual pigs to people to keep in houses, and those who feel that pigs should be kept in at least two, and typically outdoors. It is illegal to keep a pig on its own if a farmed animal (kept for breeding or meat) but allowed if it is a pet pig. Some also have concerns on deliberately breeding small pigs to get smaller pigs. I merely state the views here, I am not restarting a debate.
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Sorry Stevie G - just linked to the Pigsite topic
www.thepigsite.com/forums/showthread.php?p=28491#post28491 (http://www.thepigsite.com/forums/showthread.php?p=28491#post28491)
and realised who you are, - you of course know all the above !
Have you confirmed that the phone no. in the original post is LPF?
The British Pet pig society morped into the Pet Pig club - Seems to be same people, just different name.
http://www.petpigclub.com/ (http://www.petpigclub.com/)
this doesn't appear to have taken off either, but they do mention again a sanctuary, which would receive funds from the club after costs (but don't mention what costs eg staff time are included), so is difficult to tell how genuine this is.
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oaklands you posted that it is illegal to keep a single pig for breeding or meat i have a specific reason for asking and will inform after you post the info thanks
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Happy Hippy has mentioned Jane Scudamore and I am going to try to find the site for her pigs and get more info.
And thanks for the input. ;D
I said Wendy ! Not Jane ::) Only Jane I know connected with 'micro' pigs is Jane Croft - but I wouldn't advise anyone to contact her ;) ;D ;D ;D
Just wanted to clear that up - hate being mis-quoted ! :-\
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oaklands you posted that it is illegal to keep a single pig for breeding or meat i have a specific reason for asking and will inform after you post the info thanks
In England they come under the Welfare of Farmed Animals (England) Regulations 2007
Section 3 defines a farmed animal as
"3.—(1) These Regulations apply to farmed animals only.
(2) In these Regulations, a farmed animal means an animal bred or kept for the production of food, wool or skin or other farming purposes, but not including
(a)a fish, reptile or amphibian;
(b)an animal whilst at, or solely intended for use in, a competition, show or cultural or sporting event or activity;
(c)an experimental or laboratory animal; or
(d)an animal living in the wild."
and Schedule 8 (general conditions for pigs) states under section 5(2)
"The accommodation used for pigs must be constructed in such a way as to allow each pig to
(c)see other pigs, except
(i)where the pig is isolated for veterinary reasons; or
(ii)in the week before the expected farrowing time and during farrowing, when sows and gilts may be kept out of sight of other pigs;"
In Scotland, they come under the Welfare of Farmed Animals (Scotland) Regulations 2010, Section 3 is the same, but pigs come under Schedule 6, with section 5(2) of that schedule reading:
"The accommodation used for pigs must be constructed in such a way as to allow each pig to
(c)see other pigs, unless the pig is isolated for veterinary reasons;"
and an additional section 27 states
"In the week before the expected farrowing time and during farrowing, sows and gilts may be kept out of sight of other pigs."
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Covers calves, pigs, hens but not sheep. Is there a similar piece of legislation for sheep?
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oaklands thanks for the reply BUT it does not state it is illegal to keep one pig (from what you have quoted)it has to be the written word not something by interpretation anyway you say you are right in your assertion
we purchased a single pig years ago from a vet that just kept the one she inseminated her(the pig) and produced several litters of piglets
on arrival back home with the pig introduced her to the boar with gate separating them the two chomping at each other after approx 4 hours they were intigrated together(we had been informed by an experienced pig keeper boars will fight but you wont get a sow and boar fighting)they immediately fought and she beat the boar after this when she was in season(both in the same wood and he would not come near her even to feed) and wiggling her a### in front of him, he took off not interested, after two or three cycles she was burgers and sausages
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oaklands thanks for the reply BUT it does not state it is illegal to keep one pig (from what you have quoted)it has to be the written word not something by interpretation anyway you say you are right in your assertion
Sorry Lillian, you have lost me again !
"to allow each pig to see other pigs" cannot be fullfilled as a legal requirement if there is only one pig on the premises.
Ipso facto
PS would be good if you would respond on the Marking pigs post rather than leaving it hanging...
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Oh, and apologies to Wales, your provisons are exactly the same as England, but covered under the "The Welfare of Farmed Animals (Wales) Regulations 2007"
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Covers calves, pigs, hens but not sheep. Is there a similar piece of legislation for sheep?
The regulations have two parts, general conditions which are in schedule 1. These include provisions on care, housing, feeding water, breeding, record keeping etc.
Additional provisions for specific animals are in the subsequent schedules, sheep have no specific additional reqs.
For those intersted in reading, you can find the regulations at the sites below
Wales http://www.legislation.gov.uk/wsi/2007/3070/contents/made (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/wsi/2007/3070/contents/made)
England http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2007/2078/contents/made (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2007/2078/contents/made)
Scotland http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ssi/2010/388/contents/made (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ssi/2010/388/contents/made)
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yes it is written about pigs "The accommodation used for pigs must be constructed in such a way as to allow each pig to
(c)see other pigs, except
(i)where the pig is isolated for veterinary reasons; or
(ii)in the week before the expected farrowing time and during farrowing, when sows and gilts may be kept out of sight of other pigs;"
it does not state it is illegal that is the point was that vet keeping her pig illegally
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it does not state it is illegal that is the point was that vet keeping her pig illegally
Am still not clear what point you are making
Laws can be framed in either positive "XX shall happen" or negative "yy shall not happen".
This one says "allow each pig to see other pigs", so is a positive phrase used to show what must happen to be legal.
To be contrary to a legal regulation is to against the law ie illegal, whether the requirement is positive or negative.
So the answer is yes, unless it was not a farmed animal under the definition.
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now with the legislation that you have quoted a single pregnant sow could be sold a week before she is due to farrow put into a farrowing pen farrows (now you know and i know that a suckling mother pig could not care less about other pigs and indeed other pigs can upset them) she has her piglets .a hole in the regulations that you could put an hgv through sideways
now back to the single pig and the vet i thought i was quite clear in what i had written the sow had several litters in the vets care. by your assertion(for food production the piglets were for food) was the vet acting illegally?
it is just that your original posting stating it is ILLEGAL to keep one pig (unless as a pet) as i had never come across this before and was merely asking where it was written
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Thanks for that - I think we are both now clear on the law.
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Happy Hippy chill, it was me who mentioned J C, not you, and I think everyone is aware of that.
I am trying to get to the bottom of something as on the pigsite there is 3 treads one saying "homes needed" 07577598073(JC), "Free pigs to good homes, L-F-P 07577598073, PiggyRescue(bedford) equinelearning@aol.com.(Matthew Fifths wife????)
So does anyone know how is the best place to go to or recommend. My moneys on PiggyRescue(run by MW's wife???????), but if someones give pigs away, then that is a different matter!!!! ;D
Is there anyone who can enlighten me!!!!!!!
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oaklands i am still not convinced the regulations that you have kindly copied it appears the regs are primarily intended for intensive pig production only once does it mention about outside pigs (that you have to provide a dry resting area) and nowhare does it say you CANNOT KEEP ONE PIG OR STATE YOU MUST HAVE AT LEAST 2
at a public auction they sell pigs either one or all in the pen somebody bought ONE WEANER they had the cph number defra were present as were trading standards no questions asked was defra and ts equally as guilty as the keeper (by your assertions )there are several anomalies that are pertinant here
TRANSPORTING ANIMALS you need a certificate of competence to transport animals over a specified distance NOT SO you can travel the length of Britain with up to 4 animals providing there is an equal number of persons accompanying the animals without any certificate
MIXING FEED again you need a certificate for farm mixed feed NOT SO you can overlay one type of feed placed over another then the animals do there own mixing
DEATHS AND DISPOSSALS you have to pay to have your deadstock removed NO (and this is the big one that nobody has touched on with micro/pet pigs) if it is a pet and has a name you can bury it on your own land imagine the scenario pet pigs and other animals being buried up and down the country
as to being clear on the law we both have different interpretations
THE STANDSTILL PERIOD OF 20 DAYS FOR PIGS can be reduced within the regulations
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Yes, but Oaklands are Tamworths(of which Iam sure that they are top quality), but which grow large, and he ain't giving them away for free or a small donation!!!!!!!!! ;D
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WHY THE HELL DO YOU THINK THEY ARE GIVING THEM AWAY ? :o :o :o ;D ;D ;D
I personally wouldn't touch any of the current UK 'micro' pigs if you're looking for one that's going to stay reliably small. These are the result of cross breeding of standard pigs and then using the smallest of the litters to breed with (runts, that any respectable breeder wouldn't even consider breeding from) they have no pedigree, are not a recognised breed and the only thing that makes them 'micro' is their owners/breeders claims. I don't think there's been a micro pig bred in the UK which has actually stayed small once fully grown - but I would LOVE to be proved wrong ;)
Without meaning to sound abrupt Stevie G - what do you want them for ? If it's to export to Oz to start a breeding programme (I think that's where you are but maybe I'm wrong) I wouldn't even go there, you'll be throwing your money away. European micro pigs however, seem to be a different matter altogether. They are long established bloodlines and different to the mongral pigs being passed of as 'micros' in the UK. Wendy Scudamore imported hers from Eva Magnusson in Sweden - she should be your first point of contact in the UK as a well respected and well known pig breeder.
The amount of 'micro' pigs for sale on pre-loved and similar sites should alert you to the fact that no-one wants them anymore - even the breeders who would have gladly taken £500 of your hard earned cash a year ago are now giving them away for free :o Regardless of who has them or who bred them - all UK micro pigs originated from the "founder" Rob Rose in Cumbria and I wouldn't take any of them, even if they paid me too ! They are not pigs which I would breed from >:( If you want to know the why's and wherefores, please by all means let me know and I'll happily give you my thoughts on it - but I don't want to be a boar ;)on the subject ;D ;D ;D
HTH
Karen
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Really do suggest you read what has been put previously, so that you fully understand what I am asking.
I do NOT want any micro pig, and yes I do live in OZ.
I was trying to find out where in the UK was the best place to purchase micros as their are people constantly asking this question.
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My take on this is that Stevie G is a moderator on the Pigsite forum. The pigsite forum more than any other I visit gets lots of questions about micropigs -normally from people who have them and then find they either grow and grow, or have behaviour problems with their pig living in the 5th floor flat!
Recently a "rescue centre" in Cambridge had advertised they have lots of pigs looking for homes. Stevie G (who might want to breed Micros in future as genuine article) lives in Eastern Australia is asking if any UK micropigs are worthy of attention, and/or if this centre is genuine or a dumping site for large micros.
I would echo much of Karen's comments (though worry about her blood pressure :))
The old saying of "never buy a pig in a poke" applies. Rescue centres will tend to be taking problems, and buying problems is generally not for newcomers unless they have lots of research, and it tends to be newcomers who would buy micro-pigs. I do know peole who have bought micro-pigs and been very happy with them, but these are people who have kept them in groups and outside, and have lots of animal knowledge (typically dogs and horse people). I would not recommend buying any micro-pigs in the UK at present. In my view if people want a small cute pig - get a Kune Kune. Ours (Wilmer) is one of my favorites, and always runs up from the group to try and greet me first.
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oaklands i am still not convinced the regulations that you have kindly copied it appears the regs are primarily intended for intensive pig production only once does it mention about outside pigs (that you have to provide a dry resting area) and nowhare does it say you CANNOT KEEP ONE PIG OR STATE YOU MUST HAVE AT LEAST 2
at a public auction they sell pigs either one or all in the pen somebody bought ONE WEANER they had the cph number defra were present as were trading standards no questions asked was defra and ts equally as guilty as the keeper (by your assertions )there are several anomalies that are pertinant here
TRANSPORTING ANIMALS you need a certificate of competence to transport animals over a specified distance NOT SO you can travel the length of Britain with up to 4 animals providing there is an equal number of persons accompanying the animals without any certificate
MIXING FEED again you need a certificate for farm mixed feed NOT SO you can overlay one type of feed placed over another then the animals do there own mixing
DEATHS AND DISPOSSALS you have to pay to have your deadstock removed NO (and this is the big one that nobody has touched on with micro/pet pigs) if it is a pet and has a name you can bury it on your own land imagine the scenario pet pigs and other animals being buried up and down the country
as to being clear on the law we both have different interpretations
THE STANDSTILL PERIOD OF 20 DAYS FOR PIGS can be reduced within the regulations
Lillian,
That’s fine – if you are happy believing that pig law only applies to intensive pig production, then please go ahead and believe this. I write on this site to help others and do not feel the need to justify to everyone.
The rest of your post just leaves me completely mystified as to what point you are making, so I will leave it there.
PS – would still be nice if you took the trouble to clarify how I am misleading people on the marking Pigs post.
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Thankfully someone has got it virtually right, except Oz only has miniature pigs and NO micro's, which by the sounds of it is a good thing.
I've toyed with the idea of growing minatures as an alternative to commercial pig farming, but am not planning on selling them to people that only have flats, but have lots of land(probably just a pipe dream)!!!!!!
Being over here in Oz, its not easy to get the full picture of whats going on over in good old Blyte, so thought I would do some digging on here.
Its certainly a very good site and will I will continue to use it, but not so much in the delving capacity, but just to talk pigs, time permitting. ;D
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Ok, I'll give you a fighting chance.
Ignoring that you can buy 1 pig to put with other pigs
perhaps you should look up
Defra's informal derogation on the transporting of pigs
EU Feed hygiene regulation 183/2005 on licencing of feed
Animal by-Products Regulations 2005 and EC 1774/2002 on burying pet animals (and definition of such)
No idea what standstill is about?
You might also care to read the code of recommendations for the keeping of livestock, pigs, and note the 5 principles.
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I would echo much of Karen's comments (though worry about her blood pressure :))
My blood pressure's fine - I'm calm...........honest ! I just get stuck in rant mode when 'micro' get a mention ;) ;D ;D ;D Sorry for being 'shouty' :-[
I didn't want to get brought into the single pig being illegal debate (I like it when we can all get along :-*)
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It surely can't be illegal to keep a single pig :-\ I've seen many single pigs sold at market, to owners with no other pigs. In fact, I know of at least 2 people who have bought a single pig with no prior experience and no other pigs. If it was illegal, surely there would be a system of checking before buyers were allowed to purchase single pigs ? I don't agree with keeping just one pig (whether 'pet' or not) and I definately wouldn't recommend it - but I don't think it's against the law. Just my opinion folks, don't shoot me down ;);D ;D ;D ;D ;D :wave:
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[My blood pressure's fine - I'm calm...........honest ! I just get stuck in rant mode when 'micro' get a mention ;) ;D ;D ;D Sorry for being 'shouty' :-[
I didn't want to get brought into the single pig being illegal debate (I like it when we can all get along :-*)
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It surely can't be illegal to keep a single pig :-\ I've seen many single pigs sold at market, to owners with no other pigs. In fact, I know of at least 2 people who have bought a single pig with no prior experience and no other pigs. If it was illegal, surely there would be a system of checking before buyers were allowed to purchase single pigs ? I don't agree with keeping just one pig (whether 'pet' or not) and I definately wouldn't recommend it - but I don't think it's against the law. Just my opinion folks, don't shoot me down ;);D ;D ;D ;D ;D :wave:
Karen,
Pleased to hear you're fine :)
On single pigs, no there is no system of checks, to create one would be incredibly onerous, and require lots of paperwork, and be out of proportion to the problem. Not every problem needs a "can't ever let it happen" system of checks and balances behind it. So whilst you can buy a single pig (and legally do so if you are not keeping it for breeding or not for meat), the regs I quoted above apply to all farmed animals and the definition in the regs of a farmed animal and I cannot see how you can comply with them and have a single pig - the words mean what they mean. Much of UK law is too onerous, all embracing etc. and I would not advocate adding more checks into the system. Compliance with the law is a matter for individuals, and just as you decide whether to go at 30 through a 30 limit, you decide which laws to obey, and take any punishment should/if you be prosecuted. Whether you are prosecuted depends on the attitude if those regulating the regulations ! I share your view that keeping a single pig is not good for the pig.
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On matter of solitary pigs I have read the legislation. It is very clear that if you keep a pig for any farming purpose then it must be able to see other pigs unless either it is farrowing or under veterinary supervision. If it cannot then it is an offence under the Order.
So the only way to keep a solitary pig is as a pet.
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as i have pointed out and happy hippy has also stated pigs are sold as single pigs (these being farmed pigs not handled or domesticated just removed from there siblings) how can they be classed as pets????? i don't have single pigs and have also read the legislation now this illegal practise appears to be more common than it should be we have had a pet pig in the past and would not recommend having one(i have detailed about ruby in another post) and as a dedicated pig keeper you have to try to maintain life even in what would appear to be a lost cause we were lucky with a Hampshire that it integrated back with its brothers and sisters your oppinion is single pigs other than pets are illegal my oppinion is it does not state in these words that it is illegal
AS TO THE FIGHTING CHANCE IS IT NOT YOURSELF THAT IS REQUIRING THIS
you have written a book run pig courses and you have no idea what standstill is???? OK here goes standstill is when you bring new stock onto your holding and you cannot move stock of until your specified period of standstill has elapsed with pigs this is 20 days the only exception is animals to slaughter as to the transport arrangement i posted it is well documented by sue fields (pedigree Berkshire breeder)
overlaying of feed is perfectly acceptable and legal
the deaths and disposals once it is dead is the local council going to insist on it sitting in your lounge watching TV now if i dig the burial pit it will beat least 20ft deep
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Lillian (or the other half - not sure who is writing), I think oaklandspigs was querying whether you understood standstill - not saying that he didn't understand it himself. I might be wrong.
Why, oh why do so many seemingly straightforward discussions on here turn into personal fights? Surely the point of this forum is to help others. Or have I got that wrong, too?
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i am only trying to help others
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Liz, oakland,
We are perfectly aware of the 20 day stanstill period but it seems that others are not or don't know what this means. It has been explained 2 posts up. This is easy to understand don't you think so?
Oakland has clearly said
No idea what standstill is about?
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I've had a migraine for two days but after reading this thread I think I'll try to get another...
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Sometimes the problems about threads and such messages is that it 'can' be possible to read something in at least 2 different ways due to punctuation/phrase make up etc etc so a genuine misunderstanding/misinterpretation can get to be incredibly heated :(
I would agree with the analogy about road speeds and legality - it is perfectly possible to break the speed limit and not get caught, but what you are doing is still illegal. Car dealers wouldn't be able to sell cars if they could only sell to people who weren't going to break the law... ;D
I'm sure the majority of single pigs sold at market/whatever would be to join a pig herd. However I'm also sure that there will be an ignorant minority who don't know any better, have done no research and think back to the pre DEFRA regs when it was habit to keep a single pig at the bottom of the garden to feed all kitchen food waste too..... which is of course also illegal now. ;)
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Lillian,
You typed a phrase of “THE STANDSTILL PERIOD OF 20 DAYS FOR PIGS can be reduced within the regulations” as a standalone sentence – somewhat imperfectly I typed that I had no idea what point you are trying to make. Of course I am fully aware of the 20 day standstill, it comes under Disease Control Order 2003, and is fully documented in our book and covered in detail on our courses.
I am sorry, but I no longer see value being added to a knowledge forum by continuing this thread.
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Okay folks - I think I've had THE eureka moment to end this keeping single pig argument once and for all ;D ;D ;D (well, hopefully, unless I've forgotten what words mean - which is entirely possible after the day I've had lol! ::) ;))
On my pig info which is printed by the Scottish Executive (so may not apply in the rest of the UK) the outside of that big orange A4 booklet it says "Codes of Recommendations for the welfare of livestock" Recommendations being the key word here, I think.
Nowhere in the text does it say it is illegal to keep a single pig (and I've read it cover to cover, twice, just to be sure) the phrase which keeps being stated from paragraph 6, section 2, subsection (c) "see other pigs, unless the pig is isolated for vetinary reasons" comes under the umbrella of accomodation - not general stockmanship or management. From this I would assume it refers to commercial indoor systems (but you know what they say about asumptions, to assume makes an ass of u and me ;))
I would never recommend keeping a solitary pig for welfare reasons - but it's not a criminal offence to do so.
I doubt it'll solve the debate though ::) Nothing wrong with a bit of healthy debate -but the thing to remember here is WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME SIDE ;) There's surely no need for us all to fight about it ??? We all believe in keeping rare breed pigs in a traditional, high welfare manner and would never consider keeping a single pig as an option. As long as each and every one of us passes on that advice to prospective pig keepers there shouldn't be too many sad, lonely piggies out there.
Karen x
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Why, oh why do so many seemingly straightforward discussions on here turn into personal fights? Surely the point of this forum is to help others. Or have I got that wrong, too?
TT, you are of course correct, and I am very happy to apologise for anything that might be interpreted as personal.
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Oakland has clearly said
No idea what standstill is about?
<sigh>
I think the question mark at the end of that sentence makes it clear that it was a rhetorical question, not a statement.
I also don't know what more can be done to clarify the legal position around keeping a single pig, since Oaklands has provided what looks to me like a very comprehensive and detailed breakdown of the relevant legislation.
To summarise: there is no direct statement in law that it's illegal to keep a single pig; there are clauses in legislation that imply that pigs should not be kept alone; if you're intending to keep a single pig please take the time to check with the relevant authorities.
From a welfare perspective I don't believe it's healthy to keep a single pig, but that's not the law, just my opinion. :)
So please, can we move on? (In case of doubt, that was another rhetorical question.)
Thanks,
Dan
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Why, oh why do so many seemingly straightforward discussions on here turn into personal fights? Surely the point of this forum is to help others. Or have I got that wrong, too?
TT, you are of course correct, and I am very happy to apologise for anything that might be interpreted as personal.
Oaklandspigs: it wasn't you I was referring to. I think you are always incredibly helpful to other forumers and offer sound advice. It just annoys me that some other people get so aggressive on here and turn everything into an argument.
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i thought this had been put to bed ;) ;) ;) there must still be embers glowing just needing a poke to get it going
i will take the opportunity to thank oaklands for heading up the saddleback breeders club and the GOS breeders club the reason well Lillian won the poetry comp in the gos site and the saddleback club has a good going spat that started out about the BPA and is now developed into why am i breeding pigs (this may not be the right synopsis but it is mine ) just love it
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Back onto the original subject - micro pigs another programme. As it is unlikely that in the interests of balance television producers would make a film about the down side of micro pigs what would be the possibility of a book by one of the authors on this site? Something like "Living with a house pig" could be written a little tongue in cheek but may just be a way of reaching the would be micro pig owners. After all a Year in Provence had a massive effect on the British input into Brittany (just about everyone of us has either a copy or at least read that book), and there are many other examples of people changing their lives due to a book.
I realise its a huge commitment, not one that many would have the ability to complete.
Apologies in advance if this is a ridiculous suggestion.
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After all the chat about it,did anyone actually watch said program?
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I thin you are well placed to write a book HH you make me laugh at the antics yours get up to! ;D and i think i;ve seen it suggested b4 xx
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Go for it, HM! I'm kind of expecting that Digby would be content just being proud of himself and having the biggest possible grin on his glowing face, whilst Hilary would claim author's rights! ;D
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Yes go for it! we would all enjoy proof reading it for you x
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Thank you all very much, sadly dont have the vocabulary nor the ability, there are many on here who are really talented and I for one would be the top of the list to buy a copy ...
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Just put all your forum posts together and call it "tales of a pig"... ;D
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I suppose a few pictures of Hilary in a bad mood might put a off a few prospective micro pig owners.... :pig: She decided this morning that Digby is getting a few too many privileges and that it was her turn to help me to clean out the chickens. Result only 1 egg for us this morning.
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Any chickens left?? :o
;D
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Pics would be good. would love to see digby reclining on the sofa!! and a better pic of Hillary xx
Any info to put people off of micro pigs would also be good.
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Well pictures of Digby when he arrived and now might put anyone off. Pictures of his latest sofa disaster would certainly deter anyone who likes a nice home. And anyone with a small garden might like to see the Digby digging pit, and the Digby loo. I have now probably put everyone off pigs full time.
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I have now probably put everyone off pigs full time.
No chance!! ;D
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That's a relief :D :D