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Community => Coffee Lounge => Topic started by: doganjo on February 12, 2021, 11:03:24 am
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Well I just had mine. :relief: Very quick. Arm not even sore. Early appointment and first in so I had the choice of which station to go to out of 10 - 2 bonny army laddies so I chose the taller, better looking one with a fancy mask. :roflanim:
Sat in my car reading my emails afterwards for the requisite 10/15 minutes, came home, walked the dog, fed the chickens, and the quail.
Kettle on for a cuppa and a slice of toast and onto the t'internet. :excited:
How are you all doing? Any body else had theirs? Any ill effects? :gloomy: Any moans? :innocent: :rant:
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My in-laws had theirs a couple of weeks ago. Both felt tired the next day and John said his arm was sore ::) but otherwise fine. Glad they're done.
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No sign of a vaccination in France. To say they are slow is a massive understatement and if we get ours this year I will be surprised. By the time they get to us they will have to start giving repeat jabs at 7 months. Think they have given 2.6 million Pfizer firsts and 0.5 million seconds. Latest news though are the side effects after the nursing staff got their second jab, with 2% experiencing severe flu-like symptoms, which are now being investigated.
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No sign of a vaccination in France. To say they are slow is a massive understatement and if we get ours this year I will be surprised. By the time they get to us they will have to start giving repeat jabs at 7 months. Think they have given 2.6 million Pfizer firsts and 0.5 million seconds. Latest news though are the side effects after the nursing staff got their second jab, with 2% experiencing severe flu-like symptoms, which are now being investigated.
My brother made the mistake of moving to France just before Christmas. He would have had his vaccination by now if he'd stayed here. Now, who knows when he'll get it, and he is older and at risk.
We got our blue envelopes yesterday with appointments for next week (different days though) so unless they run out of supplies, we're organised.
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Had mine this morning, got met at the car by a lassie with a wheelchair , straight in , a couple of questions ,got the jag and a fifteen mins wait before getting wheeled back to the car.
Home for hot tea and toast.
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Your brother was in a 'now or never' situation Fleecewife, because of Brexit. Unless you can prove residency before 31st December 2020 you can't be living here unless you are working. There has been a rush of buyers or renters during the year. Healthcare here is far better than the UK, although expensive. I can get a Doctors appointment same day. It's just a shame that they've made such a mess of the vaccination programme. They started with the grand scheme of having all pharmacies giving the jabs, but have they got -70C storage facilities? Well definitely not and it took a month for the penny to drop (sorry, cent).
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My 1st jab this afternoon - Phyzer - at GP Med Centre in centre of town. Both practices at the Centre called me in actually - I obviously informed the 2nd that I already had appointment so they aware I have not ignored vaccine offer. Took car as was bitterly cold and blowing a hoolie. Took an hour overall to find parking and to be eventually called into a consulting room - as it happens exactly on my appointment time. Long queue and some queuing outside in the cold was required - dress up warm when you get your call.
Have to say all quite efficient and being the Phyzer vac' it had to be to avoid wastage - I seem to think Doc said 1,200 of us were being processed today. I have calculated that to equate to about 2.5 jabs per minute over an 8 hour day. However, I've never been in such a crowd of people since this whole thing started (which is why I have not accepted the invite for a flu jab - I wasn't going to refuse the Covid jab/s though).
Can't say that all folk in the queue had "read the email" on social distancing.
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It seems to be different all over the world.
I had to go to the local college campus - appointment was 8.30, I had a 5/7 minute drive but went out at 8.10 in case of problems - just as well I did as my car was totally frozen. Got screen wash sprayed on and the scraper on it, and off I went; The farm road was the worst - rutted due to heavy vehicles, but fortunately only a couple of hundred yards to the village road, then it was straight through.
Sign post at the car park entrance, sign post on the rotunda door, and warm and cosy inside. All very well organised, sanitised hands on entering, told where to sit, called to reception to log in, details logged on CHI/EMIS, guided through to the area with the booths and offered my choice. It was funny - they were all holding their arms out to greet me - I went for the choice of two army lads; the taller, fit guy with a fancy mask took my eye, :excited: a few questions, then I hardly even noticed the needle. Couldn't have been better.
I still feel fine by the way, 12 hours later, after dog walk, washing car, sweeping path, feeding hens and quail, playing snowballs with the dog, putting the chooks to bed, feeding cat and dog, and me.
Time now to sit and watch telly and do some of my tapestry
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Had mine yesterday at the Sports Centre, also had a call from the Surgery inviting me there. Keep safe everybody.
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I have been offered and refused it. Don't ask me why because i think it's a personal thing. I've done a lot of research (I used to work for the medical research council) and I'm not happy about it; but would not want to discourage anyone else who feels happy to have it.
However - just as a matter of interest - look up Ivomectin covid treatment. There has been a well documented trial in India where Ivomec was used as a preventative and as a covid treatment. It reduced deaths from covid by 83%. Hydroxychloroquine is equally effective in drastically cutting the death rate. One might ask oneself why they are not used to instantly reduce the number of people in ICU, and thereby at a stroke reducing the strain on the NHS. :thinking:
Now I have posted this, merely because the question was asked. I don't wish to start an argument. I have not tried to push my views on anyone else and I don't want anyone else telling me I am wrong. As I initially said - it's a personal thing and I am entitled to my own opinions, just as those of you who have had, or will be having the vaccine are entitled to yours.
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Interesting @landroverroy: any links to the info that you can post for ease of reference ?
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You're right @chrismahon, my brother had to leave then, perhaps rather sooner than he wanted too, because of Brexit. His daughter moved to Paris at the same time to take up her new job there.
You needed to dress up warm @arobwk but my appointment is at 1000 on Friday, when the temp here is forecast to be +8C and rising, which will be positively boiling after the temps we've had here since Dec 27th. Just as well, as if I had to wear my full outdoor uniform of two long sleeved vests, two cashmere jumpers and one extra sized 'sloppy Jo' jumper, with scarf, neckwarmer and hat, plus a coat, then their high speed system would stagger to a halt as I searched for an arm under that lot. You may have read of the horrible mess-up at Glasgow last week, where a large numer of 'over 80s' were left queueing outside in deep snow and below zero temps for up to 3 hours, with nowhere to sit and no way to keep warm. I hope to goodness none of them had taken the advice to dress in such a way as to make it easy to access their arms. Eventually buses came along to take them to the local hospital - I wonder how many were kept in with hypothermia?
It does feel strange that I shall be amongst quite a few people, for the first time in a year - how ironic it would be to catch the virus at the vaccination centre.
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You are all showing your age :roflanim: ..... got bit of a wait here yet (March I suspect).
It does feel strange that I shall be amongst quite a few people, for the first time in a year - how ironic it would be to catch the virus at the vaccination centre.
My son (a first responder) got Covid a week after vaccination ... ironic as he has been first on scene of many patients over the past year .... and first responders weren't being routinely tested!
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yes had my first vaccination getting second in march the joys of being a front line worker
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Im with Landroverroy Not Sure about it We all stick to 4 to 6 week second shot when giving
Lambivac and other injections yet the people one has been stretch to 12 weeks it was 3 to 4 weeks in the start
just makes me wonder.
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You have to remember when deciding about the vaccine, that it is not only about yourself. If not enough people in the population are vaccinated, then there will still be enough circulating virus to mutate to a state where the initial vaccine will not work. We are all using vaccines, wormers and drugs for our animals every day, so we all know the principles. Don't forget the consequences, for the 7.5 billion other people in the world.
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You have to remember when deciding about the vaccine, that it is not only about yourself. If not enough people in the population are vaccinated, then there will still be enough circulating virus to mutate to a state where the initial vaccine will not work.
I think it is about yourself if you have doubts and I'm not sure if you have concerns that you should have it for everyone else's sake. The take up and indeed the availability across the globe will vary greatly.
We are all using vaccines, wormers and drugs for our animals every day, so we all know the principles. Don't forget the consequences, for the 7.5 billion other people in the world.
The animal vaccines we use are well established so perhaps people feel the covid vaccines have not been tested robustly enough?
As for wormers and other drugs we know the consequences for over use too.
The big issue for many is the ever changing goalposts about efficiency, protection and just advice in general.
People rightly feel they have a choice.
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You have to remember when deciding about the vaccine, that it is not only about yourself. If not enough people in the population are vaccinated, then there will still be enough circulating virus to mutate to a state where the initial vaccine will not work. We are all using vaccines, wormers and drugs for our animals every day, so we all know the principles. Don't forget the consequences, for the 7.5 billion other people in the world.
It is admitted that having the vaccine only means that the person vaccinated is less likely to be badly affected if they catch Covid. Therefore it doesn't stop you getting it, and nor does it stop you transmitting it.
So - like I said it is a personal decision, affecting only myself. So please don't try the guilt trip about how it affects the other 7.5 billion people in the world. It's uncalled for and it's untrue.
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Harmony - I so agree with what you have pointed out. I couldn't have put it better myself. :sunshine:
Well maybe I could - but I'm just so wary about starting a full scale argument about what is basically a freedom of choice. :raining:
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I'm sure no-one wants an argument and that's not my intention either but this issue is going to divide people. Lets not forget there will be people who can't have the vaccine so will we have people unable to apply for a job because they aren't vaccinated for example. One of the things we don't know yet is how the vaccine may or may not affect the medication or treatment someone is already having.
Personally I'm ok if you want it and ok if you don't.
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Slight feeling of nausea on waking up and I've been feeling achy all day - a little better this eve.
An interesting article on how Bhutan has managed the pandemic (if you have the time/interest):
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2021/02/coronavirus-pandemic-bhutan/617976/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2021/02/coronavirus-pandemic-bhutan/617976/)
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An interesting article on how Bhutan has managed the pandemic (if you have the time/interest):
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2021/02/coronavirus-pandemic-bhutan/617976/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2021/02/coronavirus-pandemic-bhutan/617976/)
What a fascinating article. Thanks arobwk.
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You have to remember when deciding about the vaccine, that it is not only about yourself. If not enough people in the population are vaccinated, then there will still be enough circulating virus to mutate to a state where the initial vaccine will not work. We are all using vaccines, wormers and drugs for our animals every day, so we all know the principles. Don't forget the consequences, for the 7.5 billion other people in the world.
It is admitted that having the vaccine only means that the person vaccinated is less likely to be badly affected if they catch Covid. Therefore it doesn't stop you getting it, and nor does it stop you transmitting it.
So - like I said it is a personal decision, affecting only myself. So please don't try the guilt trip about how it affects the other 7.5 billion people in the world. It's uncalled for and it's untrue.
There are at least two sides to every discussion, so ignoring one side completely and denying its existence makes for no discussion. I intend no 'guilt trip' but clearly you feel guilty yourself, both by assuming my comment was aimed at you (which it wasn't specifically) and by denying that others may be affected by your decision. If you didn't want any comments on your choice, why did you post your initial statement?
The fact is that most people, by far the larger part of those eligible in the UK so far, have opted to take the vaccine, for whatever reason. So your individual decision is of little relevance in the great scheme of things. If a far greater proportion of people had chosen not to take the vaccine, then the overall picture would have been different.
The OP was asking if anyone had had their jabs yet, not trying to open an argument about whether or not we should take them. I am interested in people's replies, their experiences, and any adverse effects they may or may not have had.
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I had mine 2nd February, (at risk group). Thought long and hard about it due to my health condition. Given that every time I've had the flu I'm in bed for a month then useless for about six months I decided that for my health sake I'd have the vaccination.
Appointment notice was by text, and made by phone, for drs surgery. In and out in about 3 mins. No queue. No driving involved as surgery is at other end of street.
Arm only mildly, much less so than the flu jag, sore.
Am paranoid about reaction given my health history.
The only thing I've noticed is a change in pee colour, but that could be paranoia :roflanim:
For me the vaccination is about how covid might affect my health, and ultimately that's why I chose to have it.
If me having the vaccination reduces the risk to others then that's an added bonus.
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"The OP was asking if anyone had had their jabs yet, not trying to open an argument about whether or not we should take them. I am interested in people's replies, their experiences, and any adverse effects they may or may not have had."
Correct the question was "have you had yours"? Some said yes and some said no. No-one has really said why they have had it and one person explained why they hadn't which someone else identified with. Whether you regard any debate on those decisions as "an experience" or an "argument" is individual.
Currently the uptake of the vaccine offer is high. Whether that remains so as the offer is made to younger age groups is yet to be seen. Whether it is going to deliver the way out of the pandemic as we have been told is yet to be seen. What we do know is that despite a confidence that it will protect we are now being told even if you have had it you should still stay in, that the efficiency of individual vaccines may not be as high as we were told, so it is hardly surprising that some people are not comfortable having it.
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My first husband was a virologist. He worked for a University in a hospital laboratory. He started up the Virus Lab in Aberdeen. He used to talk about corona viruses regularly - they are all inter-related.
I clearly remember him complaining bitterly about all the red tape involved in having vaccines and treatments approved. He said a lot more lives could be saved across the world if all the governments got together and agreed on standards. Some of them have done that and that is why these four or five vaccines have been approved so quickly,
Every vaccine that is created in a laboratory is tested and tested till its eyes water - believe me. I remember him talking of little else when he found a new virus, and a new antidote
So, on a personal level, I have immense faith in the people he trained, and in those who they themselves trained up to his high standards. I wish he were still alive, not just for personal reasons, but so that he and Professor Pennington (Hugh to us) could yet again put the world to rights
Like any other virus, and indeed bacteria, it will become immune to the vaccine unless the majority of the population is vaccinated quickly. Remember the story about antibiotics? Finish the course! Even so, ABs are becoming less effective due to overuse. So let's get this done and let it be a one off till the next new virus hits us.
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... However - just as a matter of interest - look up Ivomectin covid treatment. There has been a well documented trial in India where Ivomec was used as a preventative and as a covid treatment. It reduced deaths from covid by 83%. Hydroxychloroquine is equally effective in drastically cutting the death rate. One might ask oneself why they are not used to instantly reduce the number of people in ICU, and thereby at a stroke reducing the strain on the NHS. :thinking:
There is also the Canadian nasal spray utilising nitric [edit] acid oxide which is touted to be highly efficient at nullifying any virus particles. Trouble is that none of these seem to have yet gone into intensive testing, with the usual thousands of volunteers, across the world, as far as I can tell. In time, one might expect them to be a major part of the defence along with the "lowly" vitamins found to help alleviate symptoms.
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... However - just as a matter of interest - look up Ivomectin covid treatment. There has been a well documented trial in India where Ivomec was used as a preventative and as a covid treatment. It reduced deaths from covid by 83%. Hydroxychloroquine is equally effective in drastically cutting the death rate. One might ask oneself why they are not used to instantly reduce the number of people in ICU, and thereby at a stroke reducing the strain on the NHS. :thinking:
There is also the Canadian nasal spray utilising nitric acid which is touted to be highly efficient at nullifying any virus particles. Trouble is that none of these seem to have yet gone into intensive testing, with the usual thousands of volunteers, across the world, as far as I can tell. In time, one might expect them to be a major part of the defence.
Oh I just love a good big sniff of Nitric acid - the back-kick blows your mind :tired:
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A few of the things they have considered/are considering in Canada !
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-health-products/covid19-industry/drugs-vaccines-treatments/list-authorized-trials.html#wb-auto-5 (https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-health-products/covid19-industry/drugs-vaccines-treatments/list-authorized-trials.html#wb-auto-5)
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Ah, I see the problem:
- Nitric acid is HNO3 and is highly corrosive.
- Nitric oxide is NO, and is indeed sniffable and causes vasodilation, and I think might be used by athletes, so may perhaps be worth experimenting with.
#according to Mr Google and my rather wonky chemistry memories#
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Oops - yes that would be nitric oxide. (Regrets my laxity !!)
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Oops - yes that would be nitric oxide. (Regrets my laxity !!)
Let's blame it on the vaccine :idea:. I'm sure your laxative had nothing to do with it :innocent:
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It is admitted that having the vaccine only means that the person vaccinated is less likely to be badly affected if they catch Covid. Therefore it doesn't stop you getting it, and nor does it stop you transmitting it.
So - like I said it is a personal decision, affecting only myself. So please don't try the guilt trip about how it affects the other 7.5 billion people in the world. It's uncalled for and it's untrue.
FLEECEWIFE:" There are at least two sides to every discussion, so ignoring one side completely and denying its existence makes for no discussion." - I am not denying or ignoring anything Fleecewife. I have done more research than you will ever know. I just choose not to to put it on here because it's not relevant to the original question.
FLEECEWIFE: "I intend no 'guilt trip' but clearly you feel guilty yourself, both by assuming my comment was aimed at you (which it wasn't specifically) and by denying that others may be affected by your decision. If you didn't want any comments on your choice, why did you post your initial statement?
The fact is that most people, by far the larger part of those eligible in the UK so far, have opted to take the vaccine, for whatever reason. So your individual decision is of little relevance in the great scheme of things. If a far greater proportion of people had chosen not to take the vaccine, then the overall picture would have been different.
The OP was asking if anyone had had their jabs yet, not trying to open an argument about whether or not we should take them. I am interested in people's replies, their experiences, and any adverse effects they may or may not have had."
I think you'll find all along that I've said that I do not want to start an argument. I have no problem with well meant comments. I've merely said I'm not having the vaccine, and posted part of the reason why. Why then can you not just accept my decision, as I have accepted yours and everyone else's instead of finding fault in each of my posts? You don't have to agree with me by any means. But there is a subtle difference between comments and criticism. :sunshine:
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Sorry I started this - locking now. Go and play elsewhere children :innocent: :wave: :thumbsup: