Just a thought - can you drive to the "wrong" side of the pump? That way you'd only have to be within 2m (not that there's anything magical about that distance of course) for a very brief time, which you could probably judge for when they're not there?
Well buy some of your own disposable gloves & ensure you stand away from the filler unit while others are present..............sorted.This
Take some ownership of the issues & hopefully things can move on.
No, it is a bit freaky.It still grinds my gears that I see on the news demonstrations / sightseers en masse / street parties / politicians / Tesco delivery drivers * all failing to follow the rules. I've been stuck at home for 12 weeks doing as I've been told to do.
I filled up with fuel yesterday for the first time since February, and was the only person wearing gloves or seemingly paying any attention to distancing. People seem to forget that just because they don't care, other people do, and as such it's the least we can all do to be courteous and kind.
Thanks [member=10673]SallyintNorth[/member]
Otherwise, clearly some interesting times ahead when some folk couldn't care less about anyone else, don't actually read what's written and aren't actually listening to the "message". Oh well!
Rest assured though: I go nowhere without my own disposable gloves, mask and 80% alcohol spray and seemingly I am only too prepared to take ownership of the issues for my benefit as well as for the benefit of others !!
Good news from Scotland today, but "Stay Alert" ???
Thanks [member=10673]SallyintNorth[/member]
Otherwise, clearly some interesting times ahead when some folk couldn't care less about anyone else, don't actually read what's written and aren't actually listening to the "message". Oh well!
Rest assured though: I go nowhere without my own disposable gloves, mask and 80% alcohol spray and seemingly I am only too prepared to take ownership of the issues for my benefit as well as for the benefit of others !!
Good news from Scotland today, but "Stay Alert" ???
They are now saying gloves spread the virus and we shouldn't wear them.
Thanks [member=10673]SallyintNorth[/member]
Otherwise, clearly some interesting times ahead when some folk couldn't care less about anyone else, don't actually read what's written and aren't actually listening to the "message". Oh well!
Rest assured though: I go nowhere without my own disposable gloves, mask and 80% alcohol spray and seemingly I am only too prepared to take ownership of the issues for my benefit as well as for the benefit of others !!
Good news from Scotland today, but "Stay Alert" ???
They are now saying gloves spread the virus and we shouldn't wear them.
Only if we use them stupidly, like putting them on at home and not taking them off till we get home again.
Our local service station has a dispenser of the lightweight plastic gloves right by the pumps. You stop, get out of your car and get it ready for the fuel, without touching anything except your car, then pull out two gloves and put them on, put the fuel in the car and don't touch anything of your own while you are still wearing the gloves. Put the fuel dispenser back in its slot and then remove and discard the gloves. In my case I then go into the store with my hands in my pockets, use my phone to pay so I don't have to touch anything in the store, and return to my car.
A slight modification to the procedure would be required if paying at the pump, possibly involving a second pair of gloves.
They are now saying gloves spread the virus and we shouldn't wear them.
I came back to my thread this eve with the intention of removing it. Mmm - I've decided not to after-all !
Taking a single task and doing it in a way that protects you and others isn't that hard.
For some people the greater risk is not catching Covid but losing their job or house.
That's right. But I'm not sat at home right now for my sake - I'm here for my parents and all their pals.
That's right. But I'm not sat at home right now for my sake - I'm here for my parents and all their pals.
My parents are more worried about their grandchildren's education, jobs and houses than catching Covid. I have friends more worried that they can't access cancer treatment at the moment than catching Covid.
We have to find a way to live with Covid because it may never go away.
We know that unhealthy people get Covid19 and everything else worse. So fix the problem; subsidise raw fruit and veg and meat, fish and unadulterated whole foods. Tax everything else more. If people ate mostly of whole food; more salad and stew less of the biscuits, chicken nuggets, pizza, sweeteners and preservatives, Covid19 would effect individuals and the population less and it would reduce the nhs demand for other health conditions. Ive been advised this is a crazy, dictatorial and completely unworkable plan which would bring the country to its knees and cause enormous social and economic problems.
We know that unhealthy people get Covid19 and everything else worse. So fix the problem; subsidise raw fruit and veg and meat, fish and unadulterated whole foods. Tax everything else more. If people ate mostly of whole food; more salad and stew less of the biscuits, chicken nuggets, pizza, sweeteners and preservatives, Covid19 would effect individuals and the population less and it would reduce the nhs demand for other health conditions. Ive been advised this is a crazy, dictatorial and completely unworkable plan which would bring the country to its knees and cause enormous social and economic problems.
Unfortunately your solution is too simplistic. For example, I have a genetic condition which has dumped me fair and square in the 'guarding' group. I eat a really healthy diet and have done for donkey's years. I don't take any added sugar, I only eat wholemeal grains, loads of veg and fruit, nuts and so on, less meat than most people without being a vegetarian any more and I don't drink alcohol at all - basically all the 'right' things, but still I am frigteningly susceptible to getting this hateful virus, and of dying of it.
Having said that, subsidising healthy food and taxing the bad-for-us stuff is a great idea. If only any Government could see further into the future than the next election we might have some chance of it succeeding - but not in time to save us from this pandemic.
or, Buttermilk, was that just an excuse offered by the garage when they have simply not bothered to monitor glove dispensers?I watched the man at the pump next to me empty the box at his pump. When at the till I told them they said it happened every day. They said that they had put out paper towels instead and they too got taken.
At a largeish garage near here within 15 minutes of refilling all the gloves for the fuel pumps they had been taken by someone. It is not all the fault of the garage.
....... However, hopefully the adverse R score will help counter the massive surge of property enquiries from outside the region (outside Cornwall in particular): :fc: Due to the latter - writing on the wall - there have been some unwelcome suggestions from family members recently that setting up a new family home in France should be considered: I'll say right now that I'm a Francophobe, but getting rurally lost in the French countryside is sounding just a bit more attractive by the day !!!!!!!]Did anyone consult us? Channel 4 are right now broadcasting a "Devon and Cornwall" programme. For goodness sake; why not a "Highlands and Lowlands" or whatever and whatever? Please do, when conditions permit, come pitch a tent or a caravan, but, otherwise .....
[member=152775]arobwk[/member], can't read any of what you are quoting. You need to do whatever that trick was Dan told Fleecewife...
The new thoughts are that it is actually better not to use plastic gloves or any other type of glove and to maintain hand washing/gel cleaning instead.
Plastic and hard surfaces hold the virus alive better than soft fabrics where it apparently dies quicker.
By the same reasoning it is believed that plastic aprons are not helpful either, and fabric aprons are believed to be better
I'm in Scotland and I'm shielding. I'm allowed to drive around 5 ish miles or so. I will need fuel soon and it scares me. I can't let anyone else take my car for fuel because it is part of my safe place - an extension of my home.
1 metre + .... any suggestions ?
1 metre + .... any suggestions ?
Yes. Keep coughing, I think you will find that people give you plenty of space...
1 metre + .... any suggestions ?
1 metre + .... any suggestions ?
Yes. Keep coughing, I think you will find that people give you plenty of space...
:roflanim: :roflanim: :roflanim:
1 metre + .... any suggestions ?
Friends visited me today and asked me to move closer than the 3 and a half metres i'd set the seats at - so they didn't have to shout - I moved half a metre :roflanim: :roflanim: Maybe they'll say I'm paranoid but hey, do I care? :innocent:1 metre + .... any suggestions ?
I have no idea about it - up here we are sticking with 2 metres distance, and I take that as an absolute minimum.
Wales seem to be sticking to the 2m rule .......so far anyway!
The risk of coronavirus infection when people stand more than a metre away from the infected individual was found to be 3 per cent, and 13 per cent if within a metre.
However, according to the analysis published in The Lancet, modelling suggests for every extra metre further away up to three metres, the risk of infection or transmission may halve.
Friends visited me today and asked me to move closer than the 3 and a half metres i'd set the seats at - so they didn't have to shout - I moved half a metre :roflanim: :roflanim: Maybe they'll say I'm paranoid but hey, do I care? :innocent:1 metre + .... any suggestions ?
I have no idea about it - up here we are sticking with 2 metres distance, and I take that as an absolute minimum.
Yes I did mention that too. My friend is very soft spoken and I am a little hard of hearing so i said 'say again' quite a few times :innocent: :roflanim:Friends visited me today and asked me to move closer than the 3 and a half metres i'd set the seats at - so they didn't have to shout - I moved half a metre :roflanim: :roflanim: Maybe they'll say I'm paranoid but hey, do I care? :innocent:1 metre + .... any suggestions ?
I have no idea about it - up here we are sticking with 2 metres distance, and I take that as an absolute minimum.
No shouting - projects virus further.
Only improvement on that floating chart woould be axis labels. I think most peopel would then understand it. It's just a preetty picture with numbers as it stands. But I think it would definitely be usefulWales seem to be sticking to the 2m rule .......so far anyway!
Because, here's the thing, it's not a rule - it's a risk-based continuum (https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/coronavirus-reducing-distance-to-one-metre-increases-transmission-risk/). If you spend one second twenty metres away from me, your risk of contracting CV from me is miniscule. However, if we spend hours cuddling, I'm almost certain to give it to you.QuoteThe risk of coronavirus infection when people stand more than a metre away from the infected individual was found to be 3 per cent, and 13 per cent if within a metre.
However, according to the analysis published in The Lancet, modelling suggests for every extra metre further away up to three metres, the risk of infection or transmission may halve.
Ideally the government would publish a three dimensional graph to explain this. Possibly a surface plot or a colour coded risk matrix:
(https://i.stack.imgur.com/I7T3G.png)
But of course they can't, can they? So, the best they can do really is to decide a trade-off between virus transmission and for example restaurants being able to make a profit, and go from there.
The issue with that of course is firstly the message gets simplified down to "1 metre" or "2 metres", and then people are muppets anyway and go to the beach in their thousands because nobody has communicated that the biggest risk factor is not really the distance you're at, but the number of different people you are in contact with over time.
The only thing we can do personally is to stay within the published rules and then calibrate our own risk matrices on top of that according to our own health situations, etc. Within health and safety, we aim to reduce risk to "as low as reasonably practicable". That's not the same as "as low as possible", but instead says "firstly follow recognised good practice, and then on top of that make a balanced judgement on how to reduce risk, taking into account the severity of the harm and the cost, time and hassle of risk reduction measures".
That's a sound principle to apply here also, don't you think?
And Fleecewife, stay out of stores and other high-risk places, please!
The only risky place I've been was to collect the rescue dogs
^ No, that's not actually a real chart [member=26320]doganjo[/member] - it's just an example of a Matlab surface plot. However, because you're right - axes should always be properly labelled....OK I get that the days can be ascertained and verified, and the miles too - but how do you calculate the stupidity of people? Is there a mathematical formula that i missed when doing Higher Maths some years ago? :eyelashes: :eyelashes: :innocent: :innocent: :innocent: :excited: :excited: :excited:
Wait, what?The only risky place I've been was to collect the rescue dogs
Is there some news you should be telling us.. ? :innocent:
Well, we had to close our shop again, I was there yesterday and one old guys started swearing at me because I told him we are closed and I'm not allow to let him in as we are in the lockdown zone again - I was dispatching online orders, so I'm allowed to sit in the shop with the shutter closed and door slightly open for fresh air!And these people are going out of business because we didn't go into lockdown quick enough and Joe Public didn't believe it was necessary or didn't think it applied to him. Young people automatically think they are invincible and don't always think of other people. My own 18 year old grandson had to be reminded of the implications and his parents are on the front line
Its so bad. We are OK but there are so many people who spend a lot of many to reopen again either last week or the coming weekend and now they are told they are not allowed to open again.
Its important to stay safe but a lot of people are going out of business!
Well, we had to close our shop again, I was there yesterday and one old guys started swearing at me because I told him we are closed and I'm not allow to let him in as we are in the lockdown zone again - I was dispatching online orders, so I'm allowed to sit in the shop with the shutter closed and door slightly open for fresh air!And these people are going out of business because we didn't go into lockdown quick enough and Joe Public didn't believe it was necessary or didn't think it applied to him. Young people automatically think they are invincible and don't always think of other people. My own 18 year old grandson had to be reminded of the implications and his parents are on the front line
Its so bad. We are OK but there are so many people who spend a lot of many to reopen again either last week or the coming weekend and now they are told they are not allowed to open again.
Its important to stay safe but a lot of people are going out of business!
I don't doubt an earlier lockdown might have made a huge difference and at some point we will no doubt have an inquiry that will answer that. It might have saved some jobs but it wouldn't have saved them all. We are only seeing the start of the redundancies.We cal speculate and blame this guy and that organisation etc but realistically we will never know if it made any difference. What happened happened and we can't change it. We can only plan for the future.
I don't doubt an earlier lockdown might have made a huge difference and at some point we will no doubt have an inquiry that will answer that. It might have saved some jobs but it wouldn't have saved them all. We are only seeing the start of the redundancies.We cal speculate and blame this guy and that organisation etc but realistically we will never know if it made any difference. What happened happened and we can't change it. We can only plan for the future.
If we don't examine closely what we did or didn't do then we can't plan for the future.Exactly - how else do we learn but by our mistakes.
QuoteIf we don't examine closely what we did or didn't do then we can't plan for the future.Exactly - how else do we learn but by our mistakes.
Yes we must plan for the future and that future will be massivley different to what we have known - but .... It may be a better future. :excited:
At Smallholding Scotland's last trustees meeting we all agreed that many people have taken to growing their own food (and flowers) and we have seen lovely gardens appear where there were slabs and concrete before, so we need to prepare for that future by encouraging those new gardeners to expand further