The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Growing => Gardens => Topic started by: Sonia in Cornwall on November 01, 2010, 09:19:34 am
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Hi
I'm just looking at picking seeds for next year's growing, and we want to grow sunflowers. LOTS of sunflowers! Basically we want them for the seeds. Can anyone recommend any particular variety that's good for seed production? (They're not something I've ever grown before so I'm afraid I know nothing about them except they get tall!)
Thank you!
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I had an excellent crop of sunflowers this year, I grew 'Giant single' as you can tell they were giant with single heads, they were massive!! and had a good head of seeds which we used for the chickens. We grew them in heavily manured soil.
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And they self seed ::) I didn't plant any this year and have a few dotted around the garden from that. ;D
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Brilliant. Thank you!
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When you see whole fields of sunflowers, they are usually not a very tall variety, presumably because they blow over in a gale. There seem to be two types - those with single heads and those with a branching habit and lots of small heads - singles would be likely to produce more seeds I would think, but extra height would be at the expense of seed numbers. In addition, some are advertised as 'pollen free' - not destined to produce many seeds then? I'm not sure quite sure how they would work.
Many years ago when we had allotments before the smallholding, I grew lots and lots of sunflowers one year and just as they were coming out some b*****d came along and decapitated them ALL >:( I'm still annoyed :D
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:( There are some mindless idiots about!!
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Slightly off topic - but hey ho!!
Earlier this summer I thought that someone was playing tricks on me...all around my riding arena... carefully measured out at 8 ft spacing were the most magnificent sunflowers. Quized the OH who denied any trickery...and the neighbours..... then worked out that each palnt was stationed at a fencepost......the birds had taken seeds from last years plants and dropped some as they were eating.
Made a very pretty display!!
Emma T :love:
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How lovely, Emma :) We get strange plants from bird seed - the worst was a Thorn Apple (bruckmansia) - toxic and stinky - which appeared one year in our polytunnel. Can't think how else it got there.
Following on from that, Sonia, if you want to grow lots and lots of sunflowers, you could just buy a lb of sunflower seeds meant for the birds and sow those (obviously with their hulls still on). I thought of that after I had been looking in my seed catalogues and saw the price of sunflower seeds and just how many seeds you don't get per packet. :o
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This year we grew Giant sunflowers, and we have collected the seeds and have a huge box for of them. the plants they came from reached heights of 10feet high.
I can easily you some seeds if you want (and anyone else for that matter)
cameron
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There seem to be a few field margins in my area that have sunflowers this year - not sure if it's a new trend for feeding wildlife or some grant aided margin mix but it surprised me as I'd never seen it before and then found them in a few different areas!
I'd love to grow a few for seed if they're edible for humans and not just birds at the end of it?
Single heads but not too tall then is that the advice?
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Fleecewife, you are right, I sowed sunflower seeds from the pet shop for my chickens and had a bumper crop.
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you can buy named varieties, but if you just want seeds then get them from the pet shop , not sure what the GM situation is with sunflower seed though ?
The striped ones are best for eating , and the black ones are best for oil . You will get oil from a striped one and you can eat the black ones , but you will get more oil from the black .
So, with only a few square yards of sunflowers you can get all your own cooking oil , all your own seed for eating and cooking , some for the birds and some for the chickens . If you do press them for oil , the waste can be fed to any of your animal stock .
You get appx 1/3 , by weight , of oil from good sunflower seeds , so if you pressed about 25lbs of seed you would get appx 8lbs of oil, about a gallon , the other 17lbs would be the waste or cake for animal feed.
cheers
Russ
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What tools are needed to extract the oil? Would I need to clarify or clean the oil afterward?
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I've bought sunflower seeds this year for sowing. We were either going to sell bunches of flowers at the road end or use the seeds to birds / chickens. We're doing half of a 18m x 1.2m bed. I love them. I hadn't thought about extracting oil - thought it woudl be too difficult.
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http://www.rajkumarexpeller.com/index.asp (http://www.rajkumarexpeller.com/index.asp)
Rajkumar Hand Operated sunflower oil Expeller (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xykduC0cvYA#)
http://www.piteba.com/eng/index_eng.htm (http://www.piteba.com/eng/index_eng.htm)
Piteba linseed flaxseed cold pressed oil expeller press (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6gUD-6ZvkE#)
I can't vouch for either of the hand tools above , but they seem to do the job ok.
No need to clarify the oil , you may want to strain it though if you wanted perfectly clear oil , a coffee filter would do the job , but so would a piece of muslin etc . However , you could use it as is for cooking etc, but for use as fuel , as diesel replacement , then you would need to filter it down to about 5 microns , which I think coffee filters do .
cheers
Russ
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Could be a tool for my essentials wish list Russ, I imagined it would be so much more complex! Thanks for the info, I have emailed Rajkumar to find out more.
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no problem BR ,
Rajkumar also do much bigger presses as well , so for anyone wanting to process much more oil , there is the equipment to do so . I think Some very heavy duty electric presses start from under £800 , so you would need to process a lot of seed/oil , but if you were growing a few acres for fuel then it would pay for itself in a very short time indeed, especially as fuel is likely to go over £8 a gallon by the summer.
So if 1 acre of land can harvest 2 ton of seed and you extract the oil (30% ) from that, you get ;
2 tons of seed = 4480lb
30% of 4480 = 1344lb
1344lb of oil = 158 gallons @ 8.5lb a gallon
1 gallon fuel = £8
158 gallons of fuel = £1264
Therefore you would not only get back the £800 the press cost , but save another £464 just by sowing an acre.
If you use 10 gallons of fuel a week , thats 520 a year , so about 3.5 acres would grow all your fuel , and give you over 4 ton of cake for animal feed as well as saving you £4,160 on fuel .
cheers
Russ
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Hi
I'm just looking at picking seeds for next year's growing, and we want to grow sunflowers. LOTS of sunflowers! Basically we want them for the seeds. Can anyone recommend any particular variety that's good for seed production? (They're not something I've ever grown before so I'm afraid I know nothing about them except they get tall!)
Thank you!
I have a dwarf variety in at present that only grows to 18 inches tall. they have not flowered as yet and I have them growing in a wooden box under a window. I am so excited at what they might be like.