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Growing => Fruit => Topic started by: Womble on May 02, 2020, 09:24:23 am
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Please bear with an inexpert gardener!
We bought some blueberry bushes a few years ago, and when we pruned them, we stuck some of the prunings in water to see what would happen, and they grew! So now we have half a dozen large blueberrry bushes.
The only problem is that none of them ever fruit - they just produce catkins.
A quick google search confirms that blueberries don't produce catkins. Mind you, a quick google search also confirms that bumblebees can't fly.
Anyway, can somebody please tell me what We've done wrong? ??? Some photos of the bushes and catkins are attached.
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Would I be write in thinking that you need more than one variety to crosspolinate? As you took cuttings from only one Bush they are all the same variety...
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Hmmmm, that's possible I guess. But we do have other blueberry bushes nearby that do fruit, and don't produce catkins?
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Maybe you were sold a pup :roflanim: :roflanim:
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Do the originals fruit? If not, cut your losses and start again with fresh stock.
I went out to take a peek at my blueberries and they don't have anything that looks all that much like your 'catkins'. What they do have is clusters of flowers which get pollinated by bees (plants which have catkins are wind pollinated). Your things whatever they are look as if they could be the stalks of the flowers which should be there.
From a quick google:
Why are my blueberry flowers falling off? You can also get blossom drop without fruit forming if the bushes are stressed by a lack of water. It is normal for the blossom to drop after the fruit forms. But if the fruit are not forming, you may have stressed plants.12 Jun 2012
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Blueberries def don't have catkins, the catkins look more like willow, but not sure of the leaves.
And looks like lichen, so too slow growing for willow?
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You aren't going t to like this Womble, but look up 'goat willow male catkin'.
From the web, I think this said female
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Others have pretty much summed the situation up: your planted cuttings were from a willow! Since some willows seeds can take quite easily and then grow quite rapidly, I can only guess [member=2128]Womble[/member] that they grew up along-side your blueberries in their pots or in the blueberry bed and you took cuttings from the wrong plant !
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Oh wow, this is hilarious!!
I'll probably never know, but here's what I think happened:
1) We bought half a dozen blueberry bushes
2) I planted them out in big tubs in the polytunnel
3) The next year, I put the prunings in water, and some of them grew roots, so I planted them out.
4) One of the blueberry bushes got far too big for its tub, so we took it outside, broke the tub off, and planted it out.
5) We now have half a dozen goat willow bushes growing in buckets, plus a 14ft tall goat willow growing in our blueberry patch! :roflanim:
Our friend who actually took the cuttings is adamant that they were all from bushes that had successfully fruited that year, but the evidence really does suggest otherwise, don't you think?
I supect now that this was natural selection - the ones which grew roots were the willow cuttings, so they ended up being the ones which got planted out, whilst the blueberries all died!
So help me out again then - how big do goat willows get, and will I regret planting these out as part of a hedge?
Also, how do I get rid of a 14ft tall goat willow tree that is taking over our blueberry patch outside? :o
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Re Q1 - As you will be aware [member=2128]Womble[/member], all willows grow quickly and any willow "hedge" will need annual maintenance to keep in check.
Re Q2 - I seem to think some chemical remedy might be required - i.e. cut down the willow and apply herbicide immediately to freshly cut stump.
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OK, so they like wet ground - got plenty of that! And sheep like to eat them - got plenty of them too!
Is there any reason not to just plant them out into our boggiest bit of ground, and see what happens?
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OK, so they like wet ground - got plenty of that! And sheep like to eat them - got plenty of them too!
Is there any reason not to just plant them out into our boggiest bit of ground, and see what happens?
Goat willows do grow particularly tall and strong. Planting them in a boggy bit is perfect, and they will gradually dry out the ground like magic. For edible branches for your sheep, each year coppice ie cut to about 6" above ground, a portion of the trees, doing different ones each year and you can then crop young nutritious branches.
If you just leave them to be grazed by the sheep whilst growing, the sheep will kill them. One year here, one blind ewe killed off all my newly coppiced willows in a season, and I had many. You'll need to fence them. For the willows in the hedge, pollard them to about half the height of the hedge and they will quickly regrow but not take over.
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Just get some goats... mine keep ours in check very well!
To get rid of the the one in your blueberry patch - I think some herbicide is needed, they will grow back very successfully from being cut down.
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You could make a 'fedge', train the new growth horizontal, then maybe in a few years? any upright growth can be just trimmed off and thrown to the sheep.
I think it was forestry commission or something similar who did a study, willow is deep rooting and brings minerals up, which they found was really good for sheep (but goatkeepers have known that for generations :D )
I would def plant some in the damp areas, also good spring feed and willow has an early form of aspirin, brilliant for stock who aren't well.
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David you will be forever cutting them back!!!! Get rid of them if you can. Certainly destroy the ones in tubs. Willow will grow if you plant the twigs on their sides or even upside down - believe me I know - I did it as an experiment!
At my last home i planted six - from one foot twigs given to me by Karen - and when I moved out there were 14, and I'd had to cut them back every year from their first year. I gave some cuttings to folk who wanted a willow hedge but added a health warning with them.
Having said all that they make excellent wood fro wood burners and donlt need to be left as long as some other woods. So if you have a spare bit of ground which you can use then go ahead, but take heed of the warning
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Womble - you are not the only one... I have stuck a self-seeded little plant into a pot (from another pot) last autumn, to see what it is.... as it didn't look like any of my usual weeds and I am quite keen to grow trees from seed... guess what, turns out to be goat willow! It will have a place somewhere, as I use it to branch-feed the goats.
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:roflanim: :roflanim: :roflanim: :roflanim: :roflanim: …. Ok now I've stopped laughing..... don't destroy …. all livestock love them ….. and they grow where nothing else but rushes grow.... goats and cows will destroy fences to get to them ….. cut and feed to anything ….. make tree hay …… is medicinal for livestock too (pain killer I think?)
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I've just been on a woodland walk with my friend who took the cuttings originally.
Lots of "look mate, there's *another* blueberry tree - we'll have to come back and pick the berries in July".
He was not amused. But I was! :roflanim:
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I've just been on a woodland walk with my friend who took the cuttings originally.
Lots of "look mate, there's *another* blueberry tree - we'll have to come back and pick the berries in July".
He was not amused. But I was! :roflanim:
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[member=2128]Womble[/member]
Hi mate!
Blueberries is generally not grafted and propagating from cuts it is the right thing to do! i.e you wont risk to 'generate' spurious unproductive plants!
For blueberries it is all about Ph and root contraints.
They like very acidic soild, which is almost impossible to achieve in soil well drained due to the general wash out and leakage! I had a similar experience, where, planting in ground as it did 'sterilise' the plant.
Next year I have returned to pot.. and it did thrive. I got a plant mate 'later flowering' and the bridgeing between seasons is perfect! This give both plants more chances! Also leave on the top some odd conifer leaves, cones for extra acidity! This works actually great! Managed to crop 3Kg from each 3 years potted plant last year! I was in a suburban place and wildlife did contribute but not massively!!
As I got new garden, previously established plants only produce 2-3 dots (From wood I believe they are 6 years +). The reason behind this is 1) age of wood. Young wood 2 year old is the best option. 2) acidy of soil 3) pollination.. they can thrive up north... I am in Scotland and although you are slightly norther then me climate is similar.
Overall dont put in polytunnel.. they dont need it and I believe it is actually worst (put tomatoes and courgettes! :))
If you still get willows make baskets and sell them.. lol!
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The tip about using conifer leaves works for strawberries too - they love a coniferous mulch :tomato: :tomato: :tomato: :tomato: .
I shall try them under my blueberries now I have some pines. Thanks [member=195911]Gardners Cottage[/member]
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Well, I took the plunge and cut down the big "blueberry" bush in the orchard and dragged it out to the boggy bit of our field. Then I took the branches off one by one and stuck them in the ground - 25 different cuttings in all!
I figure if they grow into bushes or trees, I'm happy, and if the sheep eat them or the cuttings don't take, that's also fine. Either way, it will be interesting to see what happens next!
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Womble, you might want to strip the leaves off your "cuttings" while they are trying to produce some roots !
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Oh, ok [member=152775]arobwk[/member] ! I did say at the start that I know nothing.
How many of the leaves? all of them?
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Oh, ok [member=152775]arobwk[/member] ! I did say at the start that I know nothing.
How many of the leaves? all of them?
Usually it's bare sticks of willow that are planted so yes, all of them
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Fair enough!
Wouldn't it be funny if I killed all the willow though. I honestly thought that was impossible!
Then again, I did once manage to burn a pot noodle, so....
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Or cut half the tops off and stick them in water, Stripping the bottom leaves off so they don't rot? Put in a cool shady place and they will root, then you have even more ????
Then maybe just leave a few leaves on the stems in the ground? Would agree too many leaves on would suck more moisture than stems could deal with, but willow does seem to survive most treatment ?.
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Try some upside down David :eyelashes:
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Or just pressed length ways into the ground, instant (almost) fedge ;D
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Willow will grow whatever you do to it :roflanim: :roflanim: