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Title: Corona Virus
Post by: doganjo on March 09, 2020, 12:44:00 pm
I did a search for it and it came up blank.  Has no-one used these words?  :innocent:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Possum on March 09, 2020, 01:32:09 pm
Which search engine are you using? Google Chrome comes up with lots of postings.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: SallyintNorth on March 09, 2020, 01:36:51 pm
It’s all one word, Annie

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Possum on March 09, 2020, 02:26:50 pm
But even if you use two words, you still get lots of posts.................
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: doganjo on March 09, 2020, 05:38:37 pm
On here, I mean.  I know what it is.  My husband was a virologist and worked on corona before he died in 1991
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: arobwk on March 09, 2020, 05:39:13 pm
I did a search for it and it came up blank.  Has no-one used these words?  :innocent:

Lucky us - accept that it is now searchable on TAS !!! 

[ I've been wondering about the Corona fizzy drinks brand (a memorable thing from my childhood), so I did a search today - seems use of the brand name ceased in the 1990s.  If it hadn't been, it would surely be dead in the water now !
A closely related childhood memory is Herby Beer - I seem to think it was available as a bottled extract for home brewing (which my parents did).  At the time, my sisters and I had no idea that the rather nice glass of fizz we were allowed with Sunday lunch was actually an alcoholic beverage.  My parents have a lot to answer for  :D . 
It was really really nice, but I can find no trace of anything similar today.
Does anyone else remember Herby Beer from the 60s (or later maybe) ? ]
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: doganjo on March 09, 2020, 05:46:15 pm
Found the thread - knew I'd seen it on TAS somewhere - you were right, Sally, it was listed as one word.  But in fact it should be two.  It is a virus of the corona type and is a new strain hence CO (corona) V (version/strain) ID (identification) - 19 (first recorded strain in 2019

The common cold is a corona virus too :coat:


If you can't find the fizzy corona drink #arobwk there's beer   :roflanim:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: arobwk on March 09, 2020, 06:03:31 pm
... 
The common cold is a corona virus too


Unfortunately I have one of those right now - drip drip sneeze.  Not a good mix right now for any essential visit to the supermarket.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Womble on March 09, 2020, 06:40:20 pm
Bitto. Schniff.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: arobwk on March 09, 2020, 07:57:25 pm

If you can't find the fizzy corona drink #arobwk there's beer   :roflanim:

Oh yeah, there is, indeed, a Corona branded beer available now.  I wonder whether its sales will dip because of the brand name ?
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Fleecewife on March 09, 2020, 11:22:12 pm

If you can't find the fizzy corona drink #arobwk there's beer   :roflanim:

Oh yeah, there is, indeed, a Corona branded beer available now.  I wonder whether its sales will dip because of the brand name ?


According to Adam Hill on 'The Last Leg', 38% of Americans who normally would, are not drinking Corona beer because of the virus  ::)   I can think of many more important and effective measures they could take to avoid the virus  :roflanim:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Steph Hen on March 10, 2020, 07:36:55 am

If you can't find the fizzy corona drink #arobwk there's beer   :roflanim:

Oh yeah, there is, indeed, a Corona branded beer available now.  I wonder whether its sales will dip because of the brand name ?

They have.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Polyanya on March 10, 2020, 08:22:50 pm
So are you guys with 'sniffles' self-isolating yet? Wonder how many people are going to be taking sickies  :D Honestly I know its a serious issue - two confirmed cases in Shetland :o
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: doganjo on March 11, 2020, 01:54:01 pm
We've just postponed the Ceilidh we were to have on Friday 27th (Falkirk Fiddle Workshop hosting the Skelpit Lug Dance Band)

We did it mainly because we felt the mass hysteria would seriously deplete our attendance numbers.

We hope to hold it mid June if everything settles down.

In the meantime, my pal Enid is stuck on a cruise ship heading for the Bahamas as it was refused docking at Barbados, from where she was to fly home to Scotland tomorrow.  The passengers aren't confined to quarters despite 4 crew members being positive and confined to their cabins. I told her to enjoy - the weather is better there than here  :innocent: :roflanim:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Fleecewife on March 11, 2020, 03:28:41 pm
I feel vindicated for my mortal horror of cruises - I've always thought of a cruise as the very worst possible 'surprise' 50th anniversary gift.  My offspring have been warned!


We are in the perfect position here to avoid contacts with children and public transport and being in a very high risk category we are taking things canny.  Face it, with few intensive care beds likely to be available and no ECMOs in Scotland and precious few in England, we are not going to be at the front of the queue .  The NHS has already prepared the way by saying they will have to 'make difficult decisions' - this is medic speak for 'over 60? Tough luck' and so it should be.  Taking reasonable precautions seems only sensible.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: PipKelpy on March 11, 2020, 07:05:52 pm
We are in the perfect position here to avoid contacts with children and public transport and being in a very high risk category we are taking things canny.  Face it, with few intensive care beds likely to be available and no ECMOs in Scotland and precious few in England, we are not going to be at the front of the queue .  The NHS has already prepared the way by saying they will have to 'make difficult decisions' - this is medic speak for 'over 60? Tough luck' and so it should be.  Taking reasonable precautions seems only sensible.

I like to think we are too!

Loo and Kitchen roll in stock (not as bad as the van in the papers!!), dad has had pneumonia several times, mums a wreck and on that many pills she rattles, I've been sniffling since the flu jab wore off and colds for me usually go to my chest and I bark like a dog (I'm 46) so mum asks if my will is uptodate!

So, trying to limit where we go (its in Shropshire, but not around us, yet) took dog to vet last week, going back this week,  different vet practice came for castration last week, that vet practice for estrumating today, AI on Saturday, so as long as I'm not contagious or none of the vets are, we're fine, though you can see how it gets about many and I'm only by myself!

And I still haven't planted my spuds, meant to do it last Wednesday and every day since!

Also Eddie doesn't harbour any ill feelings towards me regarding loss of testicles!! Though his mother today didn't half eye up the vet!!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: RCTman on March 11, 2020, 07:42:52 pm
arobwk , I remember such a fizzy drink we also had with our Sunday dinner, a neighbour used to make and supply half the village with it. It was called small beer and was beautiful, how it was made I don't know.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Polyanya on March 12, 2020, 09:48:31 am
Fleecewife I hear you - a cruise for me would be a total nightmare scenario and I'm afraid I don't feel much sympathy for those on board  ::) I can be hard  ;). But Shetland gets HUGE numbers of cruise liners arriving throughout the year and there is always some hideous virus on board, I personally would ban them :tired:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Fleecewife on March 12, 2020, 12:04:01 pm
Fleecewife I hear you - a cruise for me would be a total nightmare scenario and I'm afraid I don't feel much sympathy for those on board  ::) I can be hard  ;) . But Shetland gets HUGE numbers of cruise liners arriving throughout the year and there is always some hideous virus on board, I personally would ban them :tired:


Ships were the vectors of The Black Death too  :o   I suppose that's why Shetland has cases already, all those people pouring ashore, using the loos and cafes without so much as a hand wash, then rushing off to infect somewhere else!  And folk pay money for the pleasure  ???   :roflanim:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Fleecewife on March 12, 2020, 12:10:38 pm
Found the thread - knew I'd seen it on TAS somewhere - you were right, Sally, it was listed as one word.  But in fact it should be two.  It is a virus of the corona type and is a new strain hence CO (corona) V (version/strain) ID (identification) - 19 (first recorded strain in 2019

The common cold is a corona virus too :coat:



They are now admitting, quietly, that it's actually SARS-CoV-2 ie the second instar of SARS, but they didn't want to scare the people with the truth (imagine a sad shake of the head icon here)
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: pgkevet on March 12, 2020, 06:21:02 pm
You have to love the British response to a pandemic... carry on. "Wash your hands" - It's an airborne virus, Boris. Washing hands might be good hygeine but it'll make bu@@er-all difference to most people apart from giving them something to do. Other countries with a deteriorating situation close down meetings and groups - so let's not do that. In fact we'll stop testing people unless they're hospitalised 'cos it just makes the numbers look bad..
A reality check here folks...This vid from a noted expert sums it up https://youtu.be/cZFhjMQrVts (https://youtu.be/cZFhjMQrVts)

And this is serious - the figures are hard to really pin down but the death rate will be a significant percentage (and I'm also in the high demographic). Without really stamping down on movement etc we're looking at possible tens of thousands (or more) croaking. Isolating oneself is about the best one can do but again reality is that over several weeks ya going to have to go out to get something or another.

Meanwhile stock markets hammer anyone's pensions - down at least a third already. Which just means I have to survive a few years until they pick back up (or croak early so I don't depend on it).

Your best protection is to stay several yards from anyone else and in good ventilation. Best of luck to us all.....
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Womble on March 12, 2020, 08:25:06 pm
Mrs Womble just came back from the supermarket, and reports that they were sold out of all kinds of things, from loo roll to pasta and tinned tomatoes.

I said I was confused about the loo roll shortage, but she told me it's pretty obvious, since every time somebody sneezes, another fifty people crap themselves  :o  .



Buckle up folks - this is far from normal, and won't be over any time soon.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Rupert the bear on March 12, 2020, 08:37:11 pm
I had time from work to go shopping this afternoon,3 bag layers pellets, bag of alfalfa and some yeast and bread flour, have I missed anything ?
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: doganjo on March 12, 2020, 09:00:56 pm
 :roflanim: :roflanim:
I had time from work to go shopping this afternoon,3 bag layers pellets, bag of alfalfa and some yeast and bread flour, have I missed anything ?
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Polyanya on March 13, 2020, 08:59:01 am
Fleecewife I hear you - a cruise for me would be a total nightmare scenario and I'm afraid I don't feel much sympathy for those on board  ::) I can be hard  ;) . But Shetland gets HUGE numbers of cruise liners arriving throughout the year and there is always some hideous virus on board, I personally would ban them :tired:


Ships were the vectors of The Black Death too  :o   I suppose that's why Shetland has cases already, all those people pouring ashore, using the loos and cafes without so much as a hand wash, then rushing off to infect somewhere else!  And folk pay money for the pleasure  ???   :roflanim:

 :roflanim: Yeah you'd think that was it but it was actually from a couple on a skiing holiday in Italy. Gawd, can you imagine having the plague instead of coronavirus!  :o
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Buttermilk on March 13, 2020, 09:29:13 am
The plague is still doing the rounds in some areas including America.

I panic bought yesterday.  The local ag store has an offer of £1 off wood shavings so I ordered a pallet.  I also got 4 bags ewe and lamb and 3 of lamb weaner along with 3 bags of dog food.  I will not need to go again for three weeks.

In Aldi this morn and a store worker was saying to another that surely people had to stop buying soon as someone else was emptying a full box of 2 minute rice bags into their trolley.  I almost felt guilty at getting a pack of kitchen roll.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: doganjo on March 13, 2020, 11:32:12 am
I don't understand the obsession with toilet roll - if it was a tummy bug yes, but for this they'd be better with cough mixture and brufen
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Steph Hen on March 13, 2020, 11:46:18 am
Got a great one at my sons school; business as usual, just increasing hand washing and not drinking from water fountains. Because this is all that China needed to do to contain the spread of this virus. Still, box ticked ;-)
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Fleecewife on March 13, 2020, 12:01:15 pm
For those of you interested in statistics, a worldwide view, epidemiology and some very hard facts, see this article, with 17 million views in the past 48 hours: https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca (https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca)   It's a long article but to cut to the chase - start social distancing (two metres min) NOW to reduce the death rate from 5% plus to 0.5%.
Take it seriously guys.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Womble on March 13, 2020, 05:19:13 pm
Well, I've just spent the day leading a design review meeting over Skype with people in four different locations.

Oh wow, what a trauma! "Can you see my screen?" "Yes, it's a drawing of a road". "No, that's what I had up there five minutes ago".

"Hello?"


"Is there anybody""Ican'thearathingsoI'mgoingtotalkacrosseverybodynow".




Then the client got annoyed because we didn't get everything finished today. Small bloody wonder!!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: doganjo on March 13, 2020, 08:05:52 pm
Have you tried Facetime or whatsapp?  I think they're simpler and quicker
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: pgkevet on March 14, 2020, 10:43:27 am
I'm one of those who remembers past bread strikes and other shortages and also privileged to have capital so I stocked up weeks ago at the first sign of troubles and when distribution could easily keep up.
I did pop out for a few perishables yesterday (milk and fruit) and made my trip to Aldi for 9pm expecting it to be the usual case (at the time of night) of me being the only customer. There were a few folk in but the shelves were stripped of the usual loo rolls, rice and flour.

What was interesting was how everyone was avoiding each other... keeping a good distance from other trolleys and yards apart at the checkout - so the message is getting through..
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Fleecewife on March 14, 2020, 01:18:49 pm
I'm one of those who remembers past bread strikes and other shortages and also privileged to have capital so I stocked up weeks ago at the first sign of troubles and when distribution could easily keep up.
I did pop out for a few perishables yesterday (milk and fruit) and made my trip to Aldi for 9pm expecting it to be the usual case (at the time of night) of me being the only customer. There were a few folk in but the shelves were stripped of the usual loo rolls, rice and flour.

What was interesting was how everyone was avoiding each other... keeping a good distance from other trolleys and yards apart at the checkout - so the message is getting through..


I vividly remember the sugar shortage in the 1970s.  I had to freeze fruit and juice for jams and jellies, and even tried jam made with brown sugar.  A sugar shortage wouldn't bother me one bit now as I don't touch the stuff.


Like you, Mr F went shopping this morning for a few essentials.  He wore latex gloves and wasn't the only one - he was surprised at how grubby they got!
Yep, the bogroll shelves were nearly empty, as were the kitchen paper shelves!  There are going to be a lot of blocked loos when people try using that  :o ::) .  He went first thing and there was hardly anyone about.
People also seem to be stocking up on stuff like soap and liquid handwash (did they never wash their hands before?) as well as anything which could be thought of as sanitiser of hands and surfaces.
The pharmacy in town was well stocked though, and no problems with my usual meds - the advice for that is have a min of a month's supply at all times.  The comment he got when he walked in was 'I see you had a good bonfire yeaterday' - he had been burning hedge brash before the heap was colonised by nesting birds.  Although we live in a fairly isolated situation, we can be seen from the road, so nothing's secret  ::) ;D
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: pgkevet on March 14, 2020, 09:38:22 pm
I decided on a  quick bit of extra panic-buying at the Iceland store 'cos they stock some really nice jamaican patties.

The place was completely deserted, not a soul in sight even though i was there for 9 o'clock.

It turns out they normally close at 8pm....
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: doganjo on March 14, 2020, 10:10:48 pm
I decided on a  quick bit of extra panic-buying at the Iceland store 'cos they stock some really nice jamaican patties.

The place was completely deserted, not a soul in sight even though i was there for 9 o'clock.

It turns out they normally close at 8pm....
:roflanim: :roflanim: :roflanim:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: pgkevet on March 15, 2020, 01:07:05 pm
I don't have the best singing voice which is an embarrassment here in Rural Wales.

Did you see that clip of housebound Italians singing to keep up their spirits?

I thought I should show solidarity - so I opened the windows wide...


"Just one cornetto...."
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Womble on March 16, 2020, 12:27:55 am
This is a really interesting read (you may have to view using Chrome):


https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/)
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Perris on March 16, 2020, 01:39:40 pm
thanks Womble; interesting indeed!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Polyanya on March 16, 2020, 07:02:47 pm
Gosh there isnt much activity on here today is there, is TAS on lock-down as well? Just watched the 6.o'clock news, pretty depressing stuff isnt it - my husband is now working from home, I've been busy getting all my craft ready for the tourist season and it doesn't look like I'll be able to display anything as no punters will be allowed in! It is really getting serious, just hope we all get through it   :gloomy:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: harmony on March 16, 2020, 07:12:23 pm
Gosh there isnt much activity on here today is there, is TAS on lock-down as well? Just watched the 6.o'clock news, pretty depressing stuff isnt it - my husband is now working from home, I've been busy getting all my craft ready for the tourist season and it doesn't look like I'll be able to display anything as no punters will be allowed in! It is really getting serious, just hope we all get through it   :gloomy:



It's not that long ago that you said there was too many people in the world and bring on the pandemics. What is it they say "be careful what you wish for".


I too hope we all get through but I think we all have hard times ahead.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Fleecewife on March 16, 2020, 09:46:37 pm
Gosh there isnt much activity on here today is there, is TAS on lock-down as well? Just watched the 6.o'clock news, pretty depressing stuff isnt it - my husband is now working from home, I've been busy getting all my craft ready for the tourist season and it doesn't look like I'll be able to display anything as no punters will be allowed in! It is really getting serious, just hope we all get through it   :gloomy:



It's not that long ago that you said there was too many people in the world and bring on the pandemics. What is it they say "be careful what you wish for".


I too hope we all get through but I think we all have hard times ahead.


I had to go back and check and that was you Polyanya :o :roflanim:  0oh! Bad!  I thought it must have been one of the callous chaps from my memory (I own up to a sexist comment  ;D )


Thinking about it, I expect our Earth has had a bit of a think herself and come up with the storms, earthquakes, tsunamis and floods in an effort to make us think harder before carelessly destroying her, then when that is clearly not working she's taken the decision to reduce her human overpopulation by pandemic.  It seems reasonable.
Being older than some (although not yet in my 70's) and with a dodgy heart and lungs, and having spent my working life as a hospital nurse so control of infection is second nature, I took the decision early on to cut contacts and to stay at home.  Thankfully, having a smallholding the change isn't great, and we can still gossip over the fence with callers.  I think we have enough supplies in for a while at least, and some young and kind friends have offered to bring in anything essential we need.  I am frantically filling my polytunnel and veg patch with as much useful food as I can, but it all takes so long to reach an edible size. In the back of my mind is the thought that if supplies in the shops are restricted, any excess can be shared with friends and neighbours, so too much is better than too little.
There are many older people on their own though, and we should all be aware who they are and see how we can help. There are also homeless people - who will care for them?
Mr F had the thought that Prime Minister Cummings had worked out that bumping off all the elderly, sick and disabled folk would ease the pressure on the NHS, save money from their pensions and Soc Sec payouts, and release a whole lot of housing, so a pandemic was good, then he suddenly thought again and realised that without the older vote, his pet puppy Boris would not be voted in, so suddenly we have to save the oldies  :innocent:  Being a cynic I feel that when we get right down to the bone, we're all on our own  :(


 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: pgkevet on March 17, 2020, 06:50:51 am
Breaking News
 Chloroquinone can help with Coronavirus. It's a quinine derivative.
 I'm torn between drinking more tonic with my Gin or just more Gin and tonic... ???? Alcohol is a disinfectant - problem solved!


Breaking News
 Over 70's told to isolate.
 Supermarkets overrun with panic buying of Grecian 2000


New TV Series
 'Virus Ward'
 ..who should get the ventilator?
 Call 555-0911-1 to Nominale dave
 Call 555-0911-2 to nominate Jackie
 Call.....
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Perris on March 17, 2020, 07:14:09 am
 :roflanim:  :roflanim:  :roflanim:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Polyanya on March 17, 2020, 07:23:45 pm
Gosh there isnt much activity on here today is there, is TAS on lock-down as well? Just watched the 6.o'clock news, pretty depressing stuff isnt it - my husband is now working from home, I've been busy getting all my craft ready for the tourist season and it doesn't look like I'll be able to display anything as no punters will be allowed in! It is really getting serious, just hope we all get through it   :gloomy:



It's not that long ago that you said there was too many people in the world and bring on the pandemics. What is it they say "be careful what you wish for".


I too hope we all get through but I think we all have hard times ahead.

Yes I was thinking about that today - it was said tongue in cheek though and the virus had already made its presence known in China and its a big and I did say I would offer myself up to be euthanised in order to save the planet, so don't be too hard on me  ::)
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Polyanya on March 17, 2020, 07:36:52 pm
Gosh there isnt much activity on here today is there, is TAS on lock-down as well? Just watched the 6.o'clock news, pretty depressing stuff isnt it - my husband is now working from home, I've been busy getting all my craft ready for the tourist season and it doesn't look like I'll be able to display anything as no punters will be allowed in! It is really getting serious, just hope we all get through it   :gloomy:



It's not that long ago that you said there was too many people in the world and bring on the pandemics. What is it they say "be careful what you wish for".


I too hope we all get through but I think we all have hard times ahead.


I had to go back and check and that was you Polyanya :o :roflanim:  0oh! Bad!  I thought it must have been one of the callous chaps from my memory (I own up to a sexist comment  ;D )


Thinking about it, I expect our Earth has had a bit of a think herself and come up with the storms, earthquakes, tsunamis and floods in an effort to make us think harder before carelessly destroying her, then when that is clearly not working she's taken the decision to reduce her human overpopulation by pandemic.  It seems reasonable.
Being older than some (although not yet in my 70's) and with a dodgy heart and lungs, and having spent my working life as a hospital nurse so control of infection is second nature, I took the decision early on to cut contacts and to stay at home.  Thankfully, having a smallholding the change isn't great, and we can still gossip over the fence with callers.  I think we have enough supplies in for a while at least, and some young and kind friends have offered to bring in anything essential we need.  I am frantically filling my polytunnel and veg patch with as much useful food as I can, but it all takes so long to reach an edible size. In the back of my mind is the thought that if supplies in the shops are restricted, any excess can be shared with friends and neighbours, so too much is better than too little.
There are many older people on their own though, and we should all be aware who they are and see how we can help. There are also homeless people - who will care for them?
Mr F had the thought that Prime Minister Cummings had worked out that bumping off all the elderly, sick and disabled folk would ease the pressure on the NHS, save money from their pensions and Soc Sec payouts, and release a whole lot of housing, so a pandemic was good, then he suddenly thought again and realised that without the older vote, his pet puppy Boris would not be voted in, so suddenly we have to save the oldies  :innocent:  Being a cynic I feel that when we get right down to the bone, we're all on our own  :(

I can be heartless sometimes but I don't mean it ;D Funny you being a nurse, I was too once upon a time and have done my fair share of wiping brows and patting hands as well as wiping other parts of the anatomy and I care hugely about poor folk, homeless or otherwise who are basically being left to cope. From on cynic to another   I bet Cummings and BoJo were wringing their hands in glee and putting the Social Care agenda at the bottom of the Action now tray  >:(.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Polyanya on March 17, 2020, 07:41:50 pm
Breaking News
 Chloroquinone can help with Coronavirus. It's a quinine derivative.
 I'm torn between drinking more tonic with my Gin or just more Gin and tonic... ???? Alcohol is a disinfectant - problem solved!


Breaking News
 Over 70's told to isolate.
 Supermarkets overrun with panic buying of Grecian 2000


New TV Series
 'Virus Ward'
 ..who should get the ventilator?
 Call 555-0911-1 to Nominale dave
 Call 555-0911-2 to nominate Jackie
 Call.....

Nice one!  :roflanim: :roflanim:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Fleecewife on March 17, 2020, 09:13:54 pm
Gosh there isnt much activity on here today is there, is TAS on lock-down as well? Just watched the 6.o'clock news, pretty depressing stuff isnt it - my husband is now working from home, I've been busy getting all my craft ready for the tourist season and it doesn't look like I'll be able to display anything as no punters will be allowed in! It is really getting serious, just hope we all get through it   :gloomy:



It's not that long ago that you said there was too many people in the world and bring on the pandemics. What is it they say "be careful what you wish for".


I too hope we all get through but I think we all have hard times ahead.


I had to go back and check and that was you Polyanya :o :roflanim:  0oh! Bad!  I thought it must have been one of the callous chaps from my memory (I own up to a sexist comment  ;D )


Thinking about it, I expect our Earth has had a bit of a think herself and come up with the storms, earthquakes, tsunamis and floods in an effort to make us think harder before carelessly destroying her, then when that is clearly not working she's taken the decision to reduce her human overpopulation by pandemic.  It seems reasonable.
Being older than some (although not yet in my 70's) and with a dodgy heart and lungs, and having spent my working life as a hospital nurse so control of infection is second nature, I took the decision early on to cut contacts and to stay at home.  Thankfully, having a smallholding the change isn't great, and we can still gossip over the fence with callers.  I think we have enough supplies in for a while at least, and some young and kind friends have offered to bring in anything essential we need.  I am frantically filling my polytunnel and veg patch with as much useful food as I can, but it all takes so long to reach an edible size. In the back of my mind is the thought that if supplies in the shops are restricted, any excess can be shared with friends and neighbours, so too much is better than too little.
There are many older people on their own though, and we should all be aware who they are and see how we can help. There are also homeless people - who will care for them?
Mr F had the thought that Prime Minister Cummings had worked out that bumping off all the elderly, sick and disabled folk would ease the pressure on the NHS, save money from their pensions and Soc Sec payouts, and release a whole lot of housing, so a pandemic was good, then he suddenly thought again and realised that without the older vote, his pet puppy Boris would not be voted in, so suddenly we have to save the oldies  :innocent:  Being a cynic I feel that when we get right down to the bone, we're all on our own  :(

I can be heartless sometimes but I don't mean it ;D Funny you being a nurse, I was too once upon a time and have done my fair share of wiping brows and patting hands as well as wiping other parts of the anatomy and I care hugely about poor folk, homeless or otherwise who are basically being left to cope. From on cynic to another   I bet Cummings and BoJo were wringing their hands in glee and putting the Social Care agenda at the bottom of the Action now tray  >:( .


It was the wiping of the other body parts that very suddenly got to me one day!  That and the fact that most of the folks I was looking after were less ill than I was.  It was time to call it a day.  Skills I learned there stood me in good stead with smallholding as well as looking after a very sick spouse, so not a total loss  ;D  I had loads of fun too and satisfied the nosey parker in me  :D   I'm glad I'm not doing it now, and I think I'm beyond being recalled as virus-fodder.  What about you?


Note that today's announcement is for LOANS - so you survive the virus and go to start the long haul to retrieve your business, only to find yourself now crippled by crushing debt, just when making a profit is still years away.  Cynic certainly  :eyelashes:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: pgkevet on March 17, 2020, 10:51:06 pm
I have a twisted sense of gallows humour'
What now for 3rd runway at heathrow?
Boris water cannon, feasabilty studies for a garden bridge, Millenium dome, Olympic games, HS2, Irish bridge.....Hmmm perhaps we should have built a hospital....
Now getting sensible one should say that there's many things that need doing and ya can't have everything. If it had been a major terrorist act then everyoe would be saying we need more police. If it was another drought they'd be saying more reservoirs etc.
I'd hope this would lead to a sea change in hedonism and consumerism.. but human nature being what it is we'll be back to profligacy and waste as soo as we can..
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: alang on March 18, 2020, 07:06:10 pm
Build more hospitals you say? That's not a problem. They can be built quite fast. Look at China for an example.

Staffing them is the problem. And until this country can stop nurses/doctor/dentists etc etc from passing their qualifications and then going straight into the private sector then nothing will change. I think there should be a mandatory 10 years in the NHS before you can go into the private sector.

Anyway on a different rant. Went into Tescos and Asdas tonight to find not one loaf of bread or pint(s) of milk. Fed up of this stupid narrow minded selfish hoarding that this nation is going crazy for.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: doganjo on March 18, 2020, 07:20:49 pm
Build more hospitals you say? That's not a problem. They can be built quite fast. Look at China for an example.

Staffing them is the problem. And until this country can stop nurses/doctor/dentists etc etc from passing their qualifications and then going straight into the private sector then nothing will change. I think there should be a mandatory 10 years in the NHS before you can go into the private sector.

Anyway on a different rant. Went into Tescos and Asdas tonight to find not one loaf of bread or pint(s) of milk. Fed up of this stupid narrow minded selfish hoarding that this nation is going crazy for.
How did China build that so fast?  Will it stay up for years or fall down?

Have you tried your little local shop?  Plenty stocks in ours.  I got bread and milk yesterday
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: pgkevet on March 18, 2020, 08:18:54 pm
I think the chinese hospitalw as essentially a prefab..just needed a base to stick it on and power brought in. I did see a pic of the inside somewhere - a long dormitory of ventilators with nurses/techs in full body suits attending.
As to the staffing here... nurse training changed with gov stupidity to a uni course they needed a gov loan for - short sighted crap. For professions we end up importing staff for they should be free grants with a period of UK work to repay the taxman....

..buy, hey, what do i know?
One of our freezers just died. The one V uses. Fortunately V is useless at being tidy so i managed to get everything from that one packed into my freezer spaces because freezers are sold out too...
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: honeyend on March 18, 2020, 08:59:18 pm
Build more hospitals you say? That's not a problem. They can be built quite fast. Look at China for an example.

Staffing them is the problem. And until this country can stop nurses/doctor/dentists etc etc from passing their qualifications and then going straight into the private sector then nothing will change. I think there should be a mandatory 10 years in the NHS before you can go into the private sector.

Anyway on a different rant. Went into Tescos and Asdas tonight to find not one loaf of bread or pint(s) of milk. Fed up of this stupid narrow minded selfish hoarding that this nation is going crazy for.
I have no idea where you get this idea from, most of the medical professional I know worked long and hard for the NHS. I trained under the old system so I paid with my graft, less than what would be minim wage now. Now they are paying for their training, so many have to work another job while they train to live.
  Its hard enough recruiting staff, I am always astounded that some of our brightest want to become a doctor. being a junior doctor in a hospital is one of the hardest most stressful things, long days, long nights and sometimes fear of making a mistake takes its toil. Last time I was admitted to hospital there was a junior doctor literally on her feet all night, trying to put a needle in me at 7am in the morning, poor love was knackered.
 Most NHS consultants work their contracted hours in the NHS and do overtime with private work.
 There are not enough NHS workers because no one wants to do it, even private hospitals have problems recruiting staff.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: harmony on March 18, 2020, 11:13:21 pm
Heard from a paramedic today that they actually think Covid19 has been circulating in the UK since about December having witnessed a significant number of flu cases that turned to pneumonia. 

Which is interesting because just before Christmas, I was diagnosed with double pneumonia after developing flu like symptoms and a terrible cough.  I didn't actually feel ill aside from joint ache for a couple of days, but was short of breath and exhausted.  When those "over the counter" tests are available, I'm going to go buy one to find out if I'm part of the "solution" (herd immunity). 

I didn't self isolate; well apart from the fact that the doctor told me to take a couple of weeks off work so as not to risk spreading the viral pneumonia and I'm not particularly sociable at the best of times.  I did keep away from my nonagenarian neighbour and when I went to visit my parents, I wore a face-mask the entire time (which I regularly changed).

If the paramedic is right and this has been circulating a bit longer than we've been told, then it's possible that some areas/communities may have had an earlier, less virulent strain which will potentially stand them in good stead with antibodies and mean that we've got a head start on herd immunity.  Let's hope so!



I have been thinking back to people I know who were pretty ill over Christmas and have been thinking that they possibly have already had the virus. One of the people was visited by her grandson and girlfriend (who live in China) in early December. It would be good to test some people to see if they have had the virus but I guess there is too many other people to attend to at the moment.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: SallyintNorth on March 19, 2020, 12:32:57 am
I caught a really nasty bug in Shetland at the end of September.  Fever, dry cough, aches, left me with shortness of breath for weeks.  I'd been wondering - hoping - that it could have been an early variant and left me with a head start on making antibodies :/  I shall choose to believe so anyway, though with considerably less justification than you, Scarlet.Dragon!  :D
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: macgro7 on March 19, 2020, 06:52:43 am
Quote
I'm thinking of all the Christmas presents and decorations that came into the UK from China in November.  It's possible that if some of them were contaminated by workers, then a weakend form of the virus could have been contracted from packaging or items received at that time.
It's supposed to die within 3 hours outside the body - we hope it's TRUE!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Steph Hen on March 19, 2020, 09:05:13 am
I’ve read 12 hours survival outside the body but from media, not a sci paper.  Safest to assume everything is contaminated.

My mum also wonders if she had it over Christmas as her severe illness fitted Coronavirus. She’s still not recovered from whatever she had. She still has fluid on one lung and has coughing fits when talking for more than ten minutes. I hope she has some immunity as i believe is very high risk.  :'(
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Fleecewife on March 19, 2020, 12:40:33 pm
Quote
I'm thinking of all the Christmas presents and decorations that came into the UK from China in November.  It's possible that if some of them were contaminated by workers, then a weakend form of the virus could have been contracted from packaging or items received at that time.
It's supposed to die within 3 hours outside the body - we hope it's TRUE!


I think basically no-one truly knows.  Some sources say a few hours, some say a couple of days, some say up to a week.  However, Norovirus is known to survive for several weeks on surfaces, so just assume everything is contaminated.
For whether or not Coronavirus itself has been here for longer than thought, as it certainly has in Italy, I think we should all just assume we are susceptible.  No-one knows for sure whether we become immune after having it, and if we do for how long (think common cold and winter flu - both viruses but you can get them both any number of times.)  There was a similar virus going round in the winter of 2018/19 - very similar symptoms, but meanwhile the corona virus-to-be was still happily infecting pangolins in the forests of China at the time, so assume it's just a coincidence.
Stay safe  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Womble on March 19, 2020, 01:11:50 pm
Crap.

Just had a call from a client in Watford - they want a three day meeting next week, and it must be face to face.

What would you do, folks?
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: harmony on March 19, 2020, 01:24:32 pm
Crap.

Just had a call from a client in Watford - they want a three day meeting next week, and it must be face to face.

What would you do, folks?



I wouldn't go but by then London maybe on lockdown anyway.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: doganjo on March 19, 2020, 01:27:22 pm
oup.  London is heading fro lockdown.  I wouldn't go but I'm in the vulnreable group.  If you do go don't use the train
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Womble on March 19, 2020, 01:47:05 pm
I wouldn't go but by then London maybe on lockdown anyway.


That's the thing.  Locked down for three months at the smallholding and unable to work is my idea of heaven.

Locked down inside the M25 for three months is my idea of hell!!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Anke on March 19, 2020, 02:29:33 pm
Crap.

Just had a call from a client in Watford - they want a three day meeting next week, and it must be face to face.

What would you do, folks?
Honestly I think they are taking the mickey. And I thought you had resigned from your job and are working your notice period? Also I think by next week you will find it impossible to get any form of public transport, airport may well be shut. Just don't do it.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Rupert the bear on March 19, 2020, 03:18:00 pm
I wouldn't go but by then London maybe on lockdown anyway.


That's the thing.  Locked down for three months at the smallholding and unable to work is my idea of heaven.

Locked down inside the M25 for three months is my idea of hell!!

With you all the way on that one.  Ask the client for their justification for f2f and their risk assessment/liability cover if, as a result of F2F either you are infected by them or vice versa.  Ask why they can't do multi-location video conferencing with appropriate etiquette to ensure everyone gets their say and it's just as effective as F2F.  Ask them to put insurance cover in place that compensates you at 3 times your day rate for as many months as necessary should you be infected as a result of the meeting and for a minimum of 12 weeks (7 days obviously as you'd need cover for the croft if you're ill)... and see if they still insist on F2F thereafter!

I liked that, a lot
Crap.

Just had a call from a client in Watford - they want a three day meeting next week, and it must be face to face.

What would you do, folks?
Respectfully sent the out of touch client a few links to the current world and national situation, they may not know what is happening
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Polyanya on March 19, 2020, 08:31:46 pm
Fleecewife - I think I'd be positively dangerous these days if they tried to recall me back into action! Aside  from being less physically able then I was in my 20's, my brain just doesn't work like that anymore. I'm a crofter and a crafter. And how would they get around the registration aspect? I had to do an ENB back to nursing course after having my children, so would they expect the same? Its crazy!
On the subject of chinese hospitals - they may be sprouting up like mushrooms in the dark but did anyone see the one that collapsed?
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: pgkevet on March 19, 2020, 08:56:33 pm
I think that was a hotel being used as aquarantien facility and not a new rushed building.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: oor wullie on March 19, 2020, 10:10:58 pm
Crap.

Just had a call from a client in Watford - they want a three day meeting next week, and it must be face to face.

What would you do, folks?

I don't understand why most busineses think meetings need to be face to face (even without any of the current issues).

I work off shore and for years we have used video conferencing daily.   Really, if I can have a flawless video meeting through a crap satellite link from a ship in the Eastern Mediterranean then 2 offices in the UK can do it.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: harmony on March 20, 2020, 11:31:21 am
In other news.... a second dog from the same household in Hong Kong has tested positive.  There's no evidence that people can catch it from dogs, nor that the dogs suffer ill health as a result.  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120460265/coronavirus-second-dog-in-hong-kong-tests-positive-for-covid19?cid=facebook.post&fbclid=IwAR3FRQGBI_4LDAg8nO3PhWl_w4HnckqLCWYVjS5CmJJ5cV-ED_cIEX0S1U0 (https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120460265/coronavirus-second-dog-in-hong-kong-tests-positive-for-covid19?cid=facebook.post&fbclid=IwAR3FRQGBI_4LDAg8nO3PhWl_w4HnckqLCWYVjS5CmJJ5cV-ED_cIEX0S1U0)

I heard yesterday that a farmer went to the vet to collect something and was told "he would be OK as he already had immunity because his cows had it last year". Now I don't know if that is correct but it does seem to me that as it was supposed to have started by people eating infected bats then other animals might get/carry it. You can pass a cold to your ferret. People are already asking to have their dogs put down.  :(



Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: SallyintNorth on March 20, 2020, 11:45:05 am
FFS.  All coronaviruses wander around all species all the time.  They mutate and cross from one species to another.  Every so often, a particularly virulent, pathogenic and contagious one arises that can pass from human to human and we get our pandemics. 

This one is ultra-nasty, so I guess it's no surprise it's jumping from us to our dogs and other species we are close to.  But that doesn't mean it can yet pass dog to dog, which is the only thing that would increase human's risk from it.

This news does however mean that if I ever do decide I can safely visit my folks (who are in isolation now, with my sister keeping herself and her husband as locked down as possible too so she can help them with it all), then my sister will say I can't bring my dog into their house  ::)   But Mum really loves to see the dog, so perhaps I will have to make sure Dot doesn't play with other dogs, so she's been isolated too :/  And as Dot is a complete fruit loop, I don't let other people fuss her anyway, so she won't have picked it up from other humans,
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Buttermilk on March 20, 2020, 01:18:19 pm
I understand that dogs are in the same category as surfaces.  So do not allow others to touch your dogs and wash your hands after touching a dog.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Polyanya on March 20, 2020, 02:30:43 pm
Oh poor dogs and people  :'(
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Anke on March 20, 2020, 02:35:59 pm
Even trying to explain the idea of "social distancing" to a nearly two-year old lab is going to fail....
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Polyanya on March 20, 2020, 02:52:46 pm
I've got a 13 year old lab, I guess she'd fall into the 'do not go out, do not talk to anyone, don't do anything' category.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: SallyintNorth on March 20, 2020, 10:50:44 pm
Even trying to explain the idea of "social distancing" to a nearly two-year old lab is going to fail....

 :roflanim: :roflanim: :roflanim: :roflanim:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: pgkevet on March 21, 2020, 02:43:23 pm
I have a plan!!!
 Instead of isolating at home I'm going to use the car. All airvents ae stuffed with cotton wool soaked in overproof rum. I now drive without a cAr3 1n The VV0r..l...d..
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Fleecewife on March 21, 2020, 03:39:52 pm
Nah!  Ride a bike:  Helmet, visor, gloves, whole-body protective clothing, keeping your distance and if someone does sneeze, you can be out of there before the virus particles settle  ;D
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: arobwk on March 21, 2020, 04:03:10 pm
Nah!  Ride a bike:  Helmet, visor, gloves, whole-body protective clothing, keeping your distance and if someone does sneeze, you can be out of there before the virus particles settle  ;D

Can't imagine Tesco (other supermarkets available) is going to be too happy with folk biking up and down the aisles, with or without viral protection equipment, LOL.
My brother once saw someone using their golf buggy in a Tesco store.  (Apparently, however, the driver seemed to have no obvious mobility issues when exiting the buggy to pick his product choices off the shelves ! ) 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: arobwk on March 21, 2020, 04:09:15 pm
I have a plan!!!
 Instead of isolating at home I'm going to use the car. All airvents ae stuffed with cotton wool soaked in overproof rum. I now drive without a cAr3 1n The VV0r..l...d..


You lost me pgkevet at the "I now drive without a ...."
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: harmony on March 21, 2020, 07:45:16 pm
I have a plan!!!
 Instead of isolating at home I'm going to use the car. All airvents ae stuffed with cotton wool soaked in overproof rum. I now drive without a cAr3 1n The VV0r..l...d..


You lost me pgkevet at the "I now drive without a ...."

" care in the world"  :eyelashes:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Fleecewife on March 21, 2020, 10:59:00 pm
Nah!  Ride a bike:  Helmet, visor, gloves, whole-body protective clothing, keeping your distance and if someone does sneeze, you can be out of there before the virus particles settle  ;D

Can't imagine Tesco (other supermarkets available) is going to be too happy with folk biking up and down the aisles, with or without viral protection equipment, LOL.



You leave your bike in the car park but magically you still have your protective clothing on.  It is a bit of a struggle to get 2 x 9pack of bogrolls up the front of your jacket though  :innocent:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Penninehillbilly on March 21, 2020, 11:33:32 pm
I have a plan!!!
 Instead of isolating at home I'm going to use the car. All airvents ae stuffed with cotton wool soaked in overproof rum. I now drive without a cAr3 1n The VV0r..l...d..
:roflanim: :roflanim: :roflanim:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: pgkevet on March 22, 2020, 12:38:47 pm
Inspiring words for a time of crisis:
Breathe in.

Try not to expire..
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: SallyintNorth on March 22, 2020, 12:40:45 pm
Inspiring words for a time of crisis:
Breathe in.

Try not to expire..

 :roflanim:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: doganjo on March 22, 2020, 02:58:37 pm
My daughter and granddaughter were here earlier - all of us exercising social distancing - air hugs  :hug: and blowing hand kisses.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

As usual 'Katie-the-animal-daft-grandchild-more-like-grannie-than-mum' (13 tomorrow) was petting the dogs. 
After they went I wiped all the surfaces they'd touched - chairs, doorhandles, coat hook etc, then went on to wipe the dogs. 
Their body language was hilarious - you'd have thought i was going to kill them.   :innocent:  Squealing like babies about to get a jab,  :roflanim: rolling on their backs in submission, legs in the air  :roflanim: , tummies exposed waiting for the lethal dagger  :roflanim: , ears back and down, backing away from me  :eyelashes:  - ME??????  - the hand that feeds them and cuddles them when they don't feel 100%

I feel so unwwanted  :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: harmony on March 22, 2020, 03:37:32 pm

Italy went from 2 to 400 cases in 26 days. We have gone from 1 to 557 in 19 days.  :thinking:


This is the week cases are expected to explode. Stay at home if you have the privilege to do so.  :thumbsup:


OK I have pinched above from the internet but if anyone hasn't got the message yet it is pretty clear.


Stay at home and don't make non essential journeys.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Womble on March 22, 2020, 04:47:05 pm
Stay at home and don't make non essential journeys.


Even to Watford?  ;)
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: pgkevet on March 22, 2020, 05:23:36 pm

Italy went from 2 to 400 cases in 26 days. We have gone from 1 to 557 in 19 days.  :thinking:


This is the week cases are expected to explode. Stay at home if you have the privilege to do so.  :thumbsup:


OK I have pinched above from the internet but if anyone hasn't got the message yet it is pretty clear.


Stay at home and don't make non essential journeys.
Worldometer https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/)  puts Italy starting at Feb15th? with 1 case and 26 days later 2,651 new cases
Uk Feb 27th 3 cases and now 24 days later 1,035 and cases will double roughly every 2-4 days.
In other words were matching Italy and everyone elses trend but the absoute figures are meaningless since different countries test a different range. We only test possible hospital cases whereas Germany probably tests any possible cases and founf 4.5K yesterday.
There is a suggestion that we may have as many as 100,000 cases UK if including all the mild ones...
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: pgkevet on March 22, 2020, 05:25:03 pm
Stay at home and don't make non essential journeys.


Even to Watford?  ;)
Wait a week and there won't be anyone left in Watford....too close to London
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: harmony on March 22, 2020, 06:11:05 pm

Italy went from 2 to 400 cases in 26 days. We have gone from 1 to 557 in 19 days.  :thinking:


This is the week cases are expected to explode. Stay at home if you have the privilege to do so.  :thumbsup:


OK I have pinched above from the internet but if anyone hasn't got the message yet it is pretty clear.


Stay at home and don't make non essential journeys.
Worldometer https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/)  puts Italy starting at Feb15th? with 1 case and 26 days later 2,651 new cases
Uk Feb 27th 3 cases and now 24 days later 1,035 and cases will double roughly every 2-4 days.
In other words were matching Italy and everyone elses trend but the absoute figures are meaningless since different countries test a different range. We only test possible hospital cases whereas Germany probably tests any possible cases and founf 4.5K yesterday.
There is a suggestion that we may have as many as 100,000 cases UK if including all the mild ones...



You don't have to be precise with the numbers to see the effects.

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Womble on March 22, 2020, 06:17:02 pm
Wait a week and there won't be anyone left in Watford....too close to London


Yes, that's because they've all buggered off to Cornwall, The Lakes and the Scottish Highlands!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: arobwk on March 22, 2020, 06:44:50 pm
And here's a request from Cornwall:  Do Not Come Down right now !  Thank you very much.

Cornwall has one of the lower instances of confirmed infection so far, thankfully, BUT has one of the oldest regional populations in the UK and some of the lowest numbers of intensive-care bed spaces in the UK !  I would like to think those precious I-C beds will remain available for locals and that our supermarkets are not further raided by an incoming hoard !

So, if you have a 2nd home here or a caravan or motor-home, please reconsider before you head for the A30.  "Everywhere" is shut;  there is nothing to do;  please stay at home.  Pretty please !
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: macgro7 on March 22, 2020, 06:49:18 pm
And here's a request from Cornwall:  Do Not Come Down right now !  Thank you very much.

Cornwall has one of the lower instances of confirmed infection so far, thankfully, BUT has one of the oldest regional populations in the UK and some of the lowest numbers of intensive-care bed spaces in the UK !  I would like to think those precious I-C beds will remain available for locals and that our supermarkets are not further raided by an incoming hoard !

So, if you have a 2nd home here or a caravan or motor-home, please reconsider before you head for the A30.  "Everywhere" is shut;  there is nothing to do;  please stay at home.  Pretty please !
When Idy Amin announced that Uganda is throwing all the Asians away, the Leicester City Council sent lots of leaflets and posters to Uganda to say that theres no jobs available in Leicester, so much poverty and so. Basically they said please dont come - and what happened? Most asians from Uganda cam to Leicester! And most of them are still there lol
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: harmony on March 22, 2020, 07:20:17 pm
And here's a request from Cornwall:  Do Not Come Down right now !  Thank you very much.

Cornwall has one of the lower instances of confirmed infection so far, thankfully, BUT has one of the oldest regional populations in the UK and some of the lowest numbers of intensive-care bed spaces in the UK !  I would like to think those precious I-C beds will remain available for locals and that our supermarkets are not further raided by an incoming hoard !

So, if you have a 2nd home here or a caravan or motor-home, please reconsider before you head for the A30.  "Everywhere" is shut;  there is nothing to do;  please stay at home.  Pretty please !



Been the same in the Lakes although today wasn't as bad I didn't think. Cumbria Police put out a message yesterday asking people to stay away as did many other places. They need to get a message up on those overhead motorway signs. The vast majority must have been day trippers.


Our local shops have been coping well and there has been some visitors but yesterday was like the start of the Easter Hols. Camper vans everywhere. Bikers and walkers in big groups. No bread, loo rolls, flour or pasta whereas all week it's been ok.


Mixed messages from Govt about going out haven't helped.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: arobwk on March 22, 2020, 07:28:34 pm
Thanks macgro7 so here's an addendum to ... And here's a request from Cornwall:  [where?]
 
... There are stories of fisty-cuffs over toilet rolls in the mythical place of St Austell Tesco.  Coughers have been rounded on and intimidated by angry non-coughers in an unspecified mythical Cornish supermarket.  Cornwall really doesn't exist and the western extreme of Great Britain is Devon actually - where there are already quite a few Covid-19 cases so beware. 

Personally, if I was venturing across GB right now in a westerly direction I would venture no farther than Somerset or Dorset, which I understand are real English counties with lots of uninhabited areas albeit still a bit marshy in places for camping right now.  Taking the latter into account, may I suggest one does not venture farther west than mid to upper Wessex.  Social distancing works even better at 200 miles.  Thanks much from a mythical Cornish Piskey  ;)
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: SallyintNorth on March 22, 2020, 09:39:36 pm
And here's a request from Cornwall:  Do Not Come Down right now !  Thank you very much.

Cornwall has one of the lower instances of confirmed infection so far, thankfully, BUT has one of the oldest regional populations in the UK and some of the lowest numbers of intensive-care bed spaces in the UK !  I would like to think those precious I-C beds will remain available for locals and that our supermarkets are not further raided by an incoming hoard !

So, if you have a 2nd home here or a caravan or motor-home, please reconsider before you head for the A30.  "Everywhere" is shut;  there is nothing to do;  please stay at home.  Pretty please !

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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: pgkevet on March 22, 2020, 09:59:56 pm
Similar 'don't come to cornwall' message on facebook.
I'd point out the following: People that bought second homes - spent money locally , took the initiative to give themselves a bolt-hole in case of city issues etc should be considered as pre-emptive refugees.

Everyone is scared and doing what they think is best for themselves and their family.

Reality is that if/when this really bites hard then what limited ICU space will have to be shared and folk moved about to wherever there may be capacity. Frankly I'm appalled at the notion that someone would deny a free bed to a 'townie' just in case a local needed it.

Most of us are here are rural (obviously) and like most of you my nearest hospital is 30 miles away but my nearest Welsh hospital is over 100miles away. Your attitude is that since i moved to wales i shouldn't get treated 30 miles away but take my chances queueing at an over-subscribed facility way further?

I'd guess Cornish folk would rather croak than take up a free bed outside their area?
Sadly we do have the thickies and the unthinking that feel a day out shouldn't be hampered by the fact everyone else thought a sunny day up Snowdon was a good idea and younger folk believe they are safe to group not realising they'll go home and give it to less safe folk.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: arobwk on March 22, 2020, 10:31:58 pm
Similar 'don't come to cornwall' message on facebook.
I'd point out the following: People that bought second homes - spent money locally , took the initiative to give themselves a bolt-hole in case of city issues etc should be considered as pre-emptive refugees.

Everyone is scared and doing what they think is best for themselves and their family.

Reality is that if/when this really bites hard then what limited ICU space will have to be shared and folk moved about to wherever there may be capacity. Frankly I'm appalled at the notion that someone would deny a free bed to a 'townie' just in case a local needed it.

Most of us are here are rural (obviously) and like most of you my nearest hospital is 30 miles away but my nearest Welsh hospital is over 100miles away. Your attitude is that since i moved to wales i shouldn't get treated 30 miles away but take my chances queueing at an over-subscribed facility way further?

I'd guess Cornish folk would rather croak than take up a free bed outside their area?
Sadly we do have the thickies and the unthinking that feel a day out shouldn't be hampered by the fact everyone else thought a sunny day up Snowdon was a good idea and younger folk believe they are safe to group not realising they'll go home and give it to less safe folk.


I'm biting my tongue pgkevet !!!!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Womble on March 23, 2020, 08:40:54 am
This Guardian article is interesting from a smallholder perspective.  (https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/commentisfree/2020/mar/15/think-the-world-is-ending-grab-a-shovel-not-a-shopping-trolley?)Perhaps we're ahead of the curve for once!

Certainly, a friend of mine who sells poultry has been fielding many, many times more calls than usual over the past week!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Anke on March 23, 2020, 08:47:54 am
This Guardian article is interesting from a smallholder perspective.  (https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/commentisfree/2020/mar/15/think-the-world-is-ending-grab-a-shovel-not-a-shopping-trolley?)Perhaps we're ahead of the curve for once!

Certainly, a friend of mine who sells poultry has been fielding many, many times more calls than usual over the past week!
Time to disable your contact details on any of the internet/facebook etc pages you maintain...
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: macgro7 on March 23, 2020, 10:19:08 am
Two weeks ago we were drowning in eggs.
So we put them on ebay for £10 for half a dozen (as haching eggs).
Last week someone ordered £120 worth! I had to cancel order ! We only have a dozen hens!
Never been more grateful for the chickens - at least we have plenty chicken feed - worst case scenario - we will just eat eggs lol

Keep your chickens safe though from foxes and nutters who cant find any in the butcher shops.
Plenty of people asked me for chickens too. I have to tell people (family, friends) that we dont have any
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Womble on March 23, 2020, 10:40:23 am
So hatching eggs will become POL hens by about September. Frankly I'm not sure I see the point. Plant some courgettes and Swiss chard instead!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: harmony on March 23, 2020, 10:52:14 am
Similar 'don't come to cornwall' message on facebook.
I'd point out the following: People that bought second homes - spent money locally , took the initiative to give themselves a bolt-hole in case of city issues etc should be considered as pre-emptive refugees.

Everyone is scared and doing what they think is best for themselves and their family.

Reality is that if/when this really bites hard then what limited ICU space will have to be shared and folk moved about to wherever there may be capacity. Frankly I'm appalled at the notion that someone would deny a free bed to a 'townie' just in case a local needed it.

Most of us are here are rural (obviously) and like most of you my nearest hospital is 30 miles away but my nearest Welsh hospital is over 100miles away. Your attitude is that since i moved to wales i shouldn't get treated 30 miles away but take my chances queueing at an over-subscribed facility way further?

I'd guess Cornish folk would rather croak than take up a free bed outside their area?
Sadly we do have the thickies and the unthinking that feel a day out shouldn't be hampered by the fact everyone else thought a sunny day up Snowdon was a good idea and younger folk believe they are safe to group not realising they'll go home and give it to less safe folk.



People did not buy "bolt holes" in case of city issues. Anyway, this isn't a city issue it's a national one. Nobody is denying anyone a bed at all and I think you get that.



People in tourist honeypots were inundated with people over the weekend. Yes, get air and exercise but don't get in your car and travel to do it. I lost count of the number of large groups I saw yesterday. 10 plus walking, cycling, scramble biking. Campervans everywhere, do doubt thinking they are self sufficient/isolated to a large degree. And they probably are but they still need fuel.


Lets not start falling out on here. Although self isolation is bound to make people grumpy  :roflanim:





Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: pgkevet on March 23, 2020, 11:20:33 am
Nobody is denying anyone a bed at all and I think you get that.
That was the implication of the post I answered. Cities are also going to get hit darder than rural areas to begin with...it'll get us later....

Sadly human nature is self-preservation and greed. It's an evolutionary trait. Even sadder is that we have a high proportion of stupid people in our society incapable of thinking ahead - so they carry on denying this disease and indulging in their usual profligacy.
Globalisation, freedom of movement, open borders, cheap travel, sending our manufacturing abroad (slavery by proxy anyone?) will always result in faster spread of disease whether it's knotweed or sweet chestnut blight or lymes disease or a direct human pandemic. It wasn't long ago that Boris wrote an article in the Telegraph tellng folk that growing runner beans deprived a Kenyan of his income - an attitude that leads to no food security.

What do I know - I've been forcasting this ever since they insisted on Pet Passports..
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: harmony on March 23, 2020, 01:52:18 pm


That was the implication of the post I answered. Cities are also going to get hit darder than rural areas to begin with...it'll get us later....




I live in a rural county. We have one of the highest county totals with two deaths over the weekend.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: SallyintNorth on March 23, 2020, 03:17:42 pm
Similar 'don't come to cornwall' message on facebook.
I'd point out the following: People that bought second homes - spent money locally , took the initiative to give themselves a bolt-hole in case of city issues etc should be considered as pre-emptive refugees.

Everyone is scared and doing what they think is best for themselves and their family.

Reality is that if/when this really bites hard then what limited ICU space will have to be shared and folk moved about to wherever there may be capacity. Frankly I'm appalled at the notion that someone would deny a free bed to a 'townie' just in case a local needed it.

Most of us are here are rural (obviously) and like most of you my nearest hospital is 30 miles away but my nearest Welsh hospital is over 100miles away. Your attitude is that since i moved to wales i shouldn't get treated 30 miles away but take my chances queueing at an over-subscribed facility way further?

I'd guess Cornish folk would rather croak than take up a free bed outside their area?
Sadly we do have the thickies and the unthinking that feel a day out shouldn't be hampered by the fact everyone else thought a sunny day up Snowdon was a good idea and younger folk believe they are safe to group not realising they'll go home and give it to less safe folk.


I'm biting my tongue pgkevet !!!!

I'm not.  Try to be less of a dick, pgkevet  :D

Of course we wouldn't deny a townie a bed.  What we are saying is that if you live somewhere with lots of hospitals and lots of beds, please stay there and don't come into areas - like Cornwall and parts of Wales - where there are very few beds.

And yes of course we would happily go to hospital in Devon, don't be such a provocative muppet!!!  Where I live, we regard Barnstaple and Exeter (both in Devon) as our local major hospitals.  But Devon is getting a lot of cases of its own, and if they don't have spare capacity when Cornwall's beds are full...

For your information, the population of Cornwall and the Isles of Scilly was around 550,000 in 2015/6.  There are a total of 750 beds of all types in Cornwall's hospitals.  That's approx 1.36 beds per 1,000 people.  The national average is 2.54 per 1,000.  The national average on ICU beds is 6.6 per 100,000.  So we should have 36 in Cornwall, yes?  I can't find a validated figure but I read earlier this week that we have 10.  TEN.  And our population has a higher average age than the national average too, so will place higher demands on hospital beds for this disease.

As to you implying that the "go home" messages apply to people who have moved here and live here, that's not the case at all (in Cornwall, at least, can't speak for Wales.)  It's aimed at people deciding to book a cottage and do their isolation here instead of London; people who have a second home as a holiday home ditto. 

It's a plea to people who have a home where there is better hospital bed availability than here, to please stay there and use their local facilities.  To not come and swamp ours, leaving none for us.


Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: SallyintNorth on March 23, 2020, 03:28:35 pm
People that bought second homes - spent money locally , took the initiative to give themselves a bolt-hole in case of city issues etc should be considered as pre-emptive refugees.

My experience is that some second home owners spend money locally and have bought the home as an intended retirement home.   But many - possibly moreso in Dorset, Devon and Dorset than Cornwall, I don't know - have bought second homes purely as holiday homes, often (in normal times!) bring provisions with them and or continue to buy things online, so use the local shops and so on very little, maybe just a family meal out on Sunday; until recently used to pay less Council Tax etc (and claim that was fair as they didn't use local services, qed), etc. 

In the current situation we would urge all of them to please stay where they are if they can, along with folks with no property here but thinking of heading this way in their campervans, booking a cottage (of those still available) etc, and leave the few beds in our hospitals to the full-time residents.

But if anyone is here from out of the area and falls ill, they will get exactly the same treatment as any local.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: pgkevet on March 23, 2020, 05:01:23 pm
Sallyintnorth
I anticipate an apology for your rudeness!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Womble on March 23, 2020, 05:04:36 pm
Come on everybody, please chill - next you know, we'll all be fighting over toilet rolls  ::) .


One thought - do you not think that as smallholders, we're actually amongst the luckiest of people? If we are all going to be holed up for a while, I can't think of anywhere I'd rather be than right here.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: SallyintNorth on March 23, 2020, 05:30:54 pm
Sallyintnorth
I anticipate an apology for your rudeness!

I'm not going to apologise, hon.  I believe my response was appropriate; the sort of thing you say to a mate down the pub when they've "gone off on one". 

I am, however, going to send you a virtual hug :hug: in lieu of buying you a pint (because we can't go down the pub even if we were near enough!) because we are all stressed and a bit spikey with all of this.  :-*
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Anke on March 23, 2020, 06:51:56 pm

One thought - do you not think that as smallholders, we're actually amongst the luckiest of people? If we are all going to be holed up for a while, I can't think of anywhere I'd rather be than right here.
Exactly - my life hasn't changed at all really for the time being. But I do feel sorry for folks in flats that are now being demonised for going outside for some fresh air, having to home-school their kids all of a sudden without any choice in the matter and still having to do their own job remotely... or even having to go into work or loose their jobs if they stay at home.

And as to second home owners invading the countryside - the moneyed classes always left London for their country residences in times of the plague and pestilence... nothing new here.

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: pgkevet on March 23, 2020, 07:17:58 pm
Sallyintnorth
I anticipate an apology for your rudeness!

I'm not going to apologise, hon.  I believe my response was appropriate; the sort of thing you say to a mate down the pub when they've "gone off on one". 

I am, however, going to send you a virtual hug :hug: in lieu of buying you a pint (because we can't go down the pub even if we were near enough!) because we are all stressed and a bit spikey with all of this.  :-*
I posted a legitimate and polite response. You are entitled to your views on the matter but i have no wish to engage with scatology and name calling. Goodbye.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Fleecewife on March 23, 2020, 07:48:40 pm
I think it's a horrible shame that this has descended into squabbling.  Let's stick together and support each other please.


I have a feeling that all the people rushing off to the countryside to reduce their risk of infection had absolutely no idea that everyone else would have the same idea.  I'm sure people were just as horrified to find the crowds as local people were.


As has been said, those of us who live in the country and have land are sooo lucky at a time like this (so far anyway). We are in ivory towers.  Think what it's like for all those people shut in their flats and houses with bored screaming kids and crowded adults - and it's only just started, there's a long way to go.  They have no chance to get outside in the fresh air, so of course they would rather be out in the countryside, and if they have a plan then that's not surprising.  The same thing has happened in the Highlands and elsewhere too where there are open spaces.  It is also natural for people not to expect to be one of those struck down, so they will not have thought about overwhelming the NHS.


Please be friends you two - we can never have enough friends  :hug:


Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: arobwk on March 23, 2020, 08:34:28 pm
I'm with Fleecewife and it is getting ever more fractious, disturbingly, in the real world also:  I was snapped at today by my Tesco "Self-service assistant" because I hadn't quite understood Tesco's new arrangement whereby only every-other self-service station is open to maintain separation".  There I was bemused only to be told "Get back behind that line!"  rather than  "Excuse me Sir, but could you please .... ".  I could not but suggest to my Self-service assistant that she might wish to think about her manner when speaking to customers.  I'm drafting my complaint to Tesco management. 

And [member=16228]pgkevet[/member] please don't disengage.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Womble on March 23, 2020, 10:02:59 pm
And as to second home owners invading the countryside - the moneyed classes always left London for their country residences in times of the plague and pestilence... nothing new here.


Funny you should say that, Anke...... (see attachment)
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Anke on March 23, 2020, 10:19:38 pm
And as to second home owners invading the countryside - the moneyed classes always left London for their country residences in times of the plague and pestilence... nothing new here.


Funny you should say that, Anke...... (see attachment)
Yep
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: doganjo on March 23, 2020, 10:33:17 pm
I feel very priveleged.   :thumbsup:
I am 76, with some health issues but hopefully nothing that will hospitalise me if i catch 'the thing' - i do get tired easily though
I have a decent pension, and have been having my groceries delivered for a month
I have a lovely house with beautiful views that I'm renovating with the majority of the trades work already done, leaving me with decoration to do that I can manage if I take it slowly.  The rest can wait.
My fence is secure for my dogs to exercise in, although I can take them down the farm road for a walk once a day.  There is some labour intensive work needed (hopefully gravel for the back garden coming tomorrow) ; (and soil and compost coming on Thursday for the raised beds hopefully)but if I take it bit by bit and sit down for a rest every half hour I can probably do a good bit of it.

I have some plants and fruit trees given to me at Christmas. and have ordered more plants - hopefully they are on their way, and my girls are very good at digging holes so I may not have to dig much to plant the trees  :innocent:

My son lives in an upper flat but he has a garden which he will be able to work in, and he is now working from home - although his engineering projects may be cancelled or postponed

My daughter is a teacher, her partner a doctor - both in the front line. They have three angry teenagers at home from unim and school  :roflanim:

We will celebrate when this nightmare is over.

Make the best of what you have my dear friends.
AND we're heading for summer!
Stay safe xxxxxx
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: arobwk on March 23, 2020, 10:42:47 pm
To requote Mr Pepys with an extract from Womble's recent attachment ... "I looked upon the street to see a gaggle of striplings making fair merry, and no doubt spreading the plague well about.  Not a care had these rogues for the health of their elders!"
With the schools closed (for the many), we now have gaggles of striplings making fair merry around the streets of Truro because they are not being controlled by their parents and they have nothing else to do. Oh great !!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: harmony on March 23, 2020, 10:43:18 pm
I think it's a horrible shame that this has descended into squabbling.  Let's stick together and support each other please.


I have a feeling that all the people rushing off to the countryside to reduce their risk of infection had absolutely no idea that everyone else would have the same idea.  I'm sure people were just as horrified to find the crowds as local people were.


As has been said, those of us who live in the country and have land are sooo lucky at a time like this (so far anyway). We are in ivory towers.  Think what it's like for all those people shut in their flats and houses with bored screaming kids and crowded adults - and it's only just started, there's a long way to go.  They have no chance to get outside in the fresh air, so of course they would rather be out in the countryside, and if they have a plan then that's not surprising.  The same thing has happened in the Highlands and elsewhere too where there are open spaces.  It is also natural for people not to expect to be one of those struck down, so they will not have thought about overwhelming the NHS.


Please be friends you two - we can never have enough friends  :hug:



In some places cars were practically bonnet to bumper. Plenty of opportunity to see everyone had the same idea, turn round and go home  :thinking:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Anke on March 24, 2020, 06:41:35 am

With the schools closed (for the many), we now have gaggles of striplings making fair merry around the streets of Truro because they are not being controlled by their parents and they have nothing else to do. Oh great !!
Do you have children?

Btw, you do not control kids that age anymore by locking the doors. By emphasising that this virus doesn't kill the young and fit, most of them won't even know they have had it, the government and medical advice has just totally lost it. Of course they will get together, what else are they going to do?
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: harmony on March 24, 2020, 08:28:31 am

With the schools closed (for the many), we now have gaggles of striplings making fair merry around the streets of Truro because they are not being controlled by their parents and they have nothing else to do. Oh great !!
Do you have children?

Btw, you do not control kids that age anymore by locking the doors. By emphasising that this virus doesn't kill the young and fit, most of them won't even know they have had it, the government and medical advice has just totally lost it. Of course they will get together, what else are they going to do?



If people continue to ignore the rules then we will get more restrictions like curfews.  I feel for families especially with the good weather but we are where we are.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: macgro7 on March 24, 2020, 09:23:06 am

With the schools closed (for the many), we now have gaggles of striplings making fair merry around the streets of Truro because they are not being controlled by their parents and they have nothing else to do. Oh great !!
Do you have children?

Btw, you do not control kids that age anymore by locking the doors. By emphasising that this virus doesn't kill the young and fit, most of them won't even know they have had it, the government and medical advice has just totally lost it. Of course they will get together, what else are they going to do?
Then they will go home and give it to their parents or grandparents who will suffer!

Even here there were lots of kids running on streets yesterday. I hope they stick to their phones and computers at home from today  :fc:

I really feel sorry for all those families who have no gardens! At least we have somewhere to go out with kids - plant seeds, feed animals, jump on a trampoline. I hope that's still allowed?
They said pet shops/animal feed suppliers are still open st least.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: harmony on March 24, 2020, 09:39:14 am

With the schools closed (for the many), we now have gaggles of striplings making fair merry around the streets of Truro because they are not being controlled by their parents and they have nothing else to do. Oh great !!
Do you have children?

Btw, you do not control kids that age anymore by locking the doors. By emphasising that this virus doesn't kill the young and fit, most of them won't even know they have had it, the government and medical advice has just totally lost it. Of course they will get together, what else are they going to do?
Then they will go home and give it to their parents or grandparents who will suffer!

Even here there were lots of kids running on streets yesterday. I hope they stick to their phones and computers at home from today  :fc:

I really feel sorry for all those families who have no gardens! At least we have somewhere to go out with kids - plant seeds, feed animals, jump on a trampoline. I hope that's still allowed?
They said pet shops/animal feed suppliers are still open st least.

The rule is stay inside unless shopping, getting medical treatment, one form of exercise or to/from work so they'll have to jump on the trampoline all day! But they will be worn out.  :excited:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: macgro7 on March 24, 2020, 11:02:07 am
My ones are 5yo and 2yo so still easy to "confine " them. It must be more difficult for older kids (or rather their parents).
He was crying to go to school for mothers day though  :-[

At least the weather is nice at the moment! Wait till we have two weeks of constant rain! Then we'll have to sit inside the polytunnel lol
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: arobwk on March 24, 2020, 06:54:44 pm

With the schools closed (for the many), we now have gaggles of striplings making fair merry around the streets of Truro because they are not being controlled by their parents and they have nothing else to do. Oh great !!
Do you have children?

Btw, you do not control kids that age anymore by locking the doors. By emphasising that this virus doesn't kill the young and fit, most of them won't even know they have had it, the government and medical advice has just totally lost it. Of course they will get together, what else are they going to do?


I have grown up kids.  I fully understand the problem for parents keeping children occupied for days on end.  Also, if they are teenagers & old enough to be left at home (if parents have to go to work) then there's another control issue.  All very problematic.  Even so, it is not great.

I was advised today that police have been stopping various vehicles to ascertain the "essential nature" of the drivers' travel.  I'm not sure whether that is just in Cornwall or whether it's happening farther afield - anyone?



Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: in the hills on March 24, 2020, 08:56:16 pm
Yes, the police are doing that here in Powys, too.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Steph Hen on March 25, 2020, 07:38:07 am
Confinement of children; My five year old is struggling, he's a gregarious sort, misses his friends and especially his granny A LOT. Yesterday morning we had a disagreement; the younger one had done his work so earned his oatcake but older one was refusing to rake the sand into the lawn and pick stones off. I held firm; do the five minutes of work and you'll get the oatcake.

After a few minutes, looked up, older son not visible in garden. Called, ran round searching and calling round the trees behind garden, play house and alerted tractor drivers working in the yard and sheds next door who started looking for him as well.
Decided he must be further afield. Put little one in car, battery flat, back in house for other keys, move car seat and youngest. Down to main road, along to nearest farm. They hadn't seen him. Drove towards granny's house, phoned ahead, she hadn't seen him but would start looking. Drove the other way and here he was walking up the lane, tailed by a concerned neighbour in a car. Half a mile from home, he'd run all the way. Called off the search and contemplated chaining him to the washing line but he's like one of those dogs that would just choke himself. He needs a six foot fence to contain him but he's been over a few of those. Not sure how to confine him. He doesn't do well inside. Wondered about taking his boots off him to slow him down but that's not really ethical. He did rake the sand and pick off the stones and get his oatcake.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: macgro7 on March 25, 2020, 11:22:14 am
The other evening we driving around 10 at night to put the kids to sleep. Stopped on red light and saw a boy (around 12yo) crossing the road in his pyjamas (trousers and tshirt) - no coat and no bare foot! Not even socks!
We stopped to ask him if hes ok (thought maybe hes sleepwalking?). He said hes not ok. Do you wannabe go home? No. Why? Its complicated.  He walked off. We rang police. They came in several minutes while he was still walking down the same road.
Really strange. He was obviously disturbed by something and feeling cold. I dont really want to know why he run out of home with just a tshirt and no shoes on cold evening.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Womble on March 25, 2020, 11:34:09 am
Oh, there are so many potential reasons!


"Stay at home" sounds like fine advice until you actually have to do it. But tempers are bound to fray in even good relationships (Mrs Womble and I have had some really bizarre arguments over the past couple of days). I have friends who are still trying to work a full 8-hour day, but with three kids in the house who they're suddenly trying to educate at the same time. Oh, and that's before you even consider how people in abusive relationships are coping (or not!).


I think in three months time, we'll see the divorce rate rocket, and then six months after that, the birth rate!!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Rupert the bear on March 25, 2020, 01:46:28 pm
Well the letter arrived, as I am at risk I am now at home for the next 12 weeks, and so is Mrs RTB who was sent home by her employer yesterday afternoon.
Thank goodness there are 300 odd acres to get lost in and avoid each other . Thank goodness like many of us we have a reasonable food reserve from the garden, but at some time the diet of eggs, goats milk cheese butter and potatoes may get a little tiresome  :-\
Life must go on jobs to be done and animals to be fed and watered.
Thing is, I get bored easily and the devil is looking for activities for me  :D

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: harmony on March 25, 2020, 01:49:40 pm
Oh, there are so many potential reasons!


"Stay at home" sounds like fine advice until you actually have to do it. But tempers are bound to fray in even good relationships (Mrs Womble and I have had some really bizarre arguments over the past couple of days). I have friends who are still trying to work a full 8-hour day, but with three kids in the house who they're suddenly trying to educate at the same time. Oh, and that's before you even consider how people in abusive relationships are coping (or not!).


I think in three months time, we'll see the divorce rate rocket, and then six months after that, the birth rate!!



Very difficult and the weather too nice. Feel for you all. But I especially feel for those kids who don't live in happy homes  :(


You can apparently have sex but only with someone in the same house and you must wash your hands after touching someone's face  :o
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Womble on March 25, 2020, 03:09:25 pm
Harmony, I suspect the main problem will be for people who've been having sex with people from different houses..... without their better half's permission!  :o
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: harmony on March 25, 2020, 04:23:36 pm
Harmony, I suspect the main problem will be for people who've been having sex with people from different houses..... without their better half's permission!  :o



I didn't get how you could have sex if you weren't in the same house at the same time  :roflanim: :roflanim: :roflanim:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Polyanya on March 25, 2020, 07:28:38 pm
Well I'm miffed at the news that Prince Charles has tested positive and is isolating at Balmoral - isn't that his holiday home? And how come he can get away with it :rant:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Fleecewife on March 25, 2020, 07:50:52 pm
Well I'm miffed at the news that Prince Charles has tested positive and is isolating at Balmoral - isn't that his holiday home? And how come he can get away with it :rant:




 :roflanim: :roflanim: :roflanim:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Womble on March 25, 2020, 09:52:12 pm
Exactly! Who does he think he is!? Royalty???  >:(
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: doganjo on March 26, 2020, 09:37:08 pm
Well I'm miffed at the news that Prince Charles has tested positive and is isolating at Balmoral - isn't that his holiday home? And how come he can get away with it :rant:

 :roflanim: :roflanim: :roflanim:
It's NOT funny!!!  He and his advisers knew that we were being advsied to stay at home - like all those cowboys and numpties who thought it would be a good idea to get in their caravans and motorhomes or go to the beach or popular visitor spots.

TOTAL IRRESPONSIBILTY!!!! 

And he used power and position to jump the testing queue - and even though he had symptoms she was tested too - didn't need to waste a test on her either - just separate like all of your ha ha loyal (not) subjects!

'King to be' or no 'King to be' he should be treated the same as the rest of us. 

I AM RAGING!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Fleecewife on March 27, 2020, 12:45:24 am
<<< King to be' or no 'King to be' he should be treated the same as the rest of us. >>>

Oops - I've committed an inappropriate laughter crime - the story of my life.  I have burst out laughing in far worse situations than that, and landed myself in very deep caca :poo:  I have a tendency to see the ridiculous in a different light to others perhaps.

Actually, being serious, I think that Britain currently has far too much on its plate right now to be diverted by a huge constitutional crisis ie the Heir to the Throne dying, or even the Queen herself, or having a child monarch should Wills also succumb. Keeping them all apart and isolated seems the best thing to do to avoid that situation.  We have to concentrate on the disaster in front of us.  Yes, I agree that there should be testing kits available so that NHS staff can be tested as necessary so they are neither in isolation for longer than they need to be, and so that they are not unknowingly infected themselves and so carrying the virus to the most at risk patient group. That is something I abhor and once this is over I want the decision makers to pay. I certainly don't know the medical details of why prince Charles was tested, but the claim is that it was not because of who he is but what else is wrong with him, and because of the large numbers of people he had met in recent days, and perhaps infected. We don't know so we can't judge.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: doganjo on March 27, 2020, 09:58:34 am
With respect, the testing is a secondary issue. 

He should NOT have left his home. 

Nor should any of the other idiots who went to their holiday homes, including my neighbours who guiltily came home late at night after the PM's message.

'Stay at home' was the message - implied to begin with then reinforced in every message since
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Womble on March 27, 2020, 10:35:37 am
But an Englishman's castle IS his home!  :stir:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Anke on March 27, 2020, 10:46:50 am
But an Englishman's castle IS his home!  :stir:
.... even if it is in Scotland....
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2020/mar/26/steve-bell-on-the-policing-of-uks-lockdown (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2020/mar/26/steve-bell-on-the-policing-of-uks-lockdown)
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Buttermilk on March 27, 2020, 11:28:48 am
My take is that the Royal family have to be spread around the country in times of crisis so they do not all risk getting it at once.  There is probably a set plan that swings into action for something like this and each member actually has little or no say in where they have to go.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Fleecewife on March 27, 2020, 12:01:59 pm
....and now the Prime Minister has tested positive...
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: macgro7 on March 27, 2020, 01:30:43 pm
....and now the Prime Minister has tested positive...
And The HEALTH SECRETARY.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Womble on March 27, 2020, 05:19:25 pm
And the Chief Medical Officer.

You know when they said they needed to gain experience of the virus?  I honestly hadn't realised that's what they meant.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: doganjo on March 27, 2020, 06:07:49 pm
They obviously didn't do the social distancing.  That is all the Royal family needed to do - they don't need to be hundreds of miles apart - thee rest of us plebs manage with 2 metres  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: alang on March 27, 2020, 07:20:46 pm
They may have done social distancing but they may have picked it up from one of the many staff members or a contaminated item. Bitching about the Royals (those on the throne or inline to be on the throne) isolating themselves apart from each other isn't going to help anything other than fuelling your obvious frustrations.

I'm not going to get into the anti-Royal or pro-Royal debate on here. It'll just degenerate into a slanging match like the independence one did. They have taken measures as head (and potential heads) of state. I for one am glad they have. We should all do it.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Polyanya on March 28, 2020, 10:43:10 am
Well I'm doing my bit as a retired nurse. Volunteering to make doctors scrubs (tops and pants) out of my old sheets, I have 3 king size should should be able to sew about 4 outfits from all that lot! Hospital in Shetland put out a plea for fabric and sewers to make them - seems they just can't keep up with the demand for fresh outfits and laundering - what has this country come to  ::) anyway I'll be a bit busy for a while, wish me luck  :relief:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Fleecewife on March 28, 2020, 12:31:11 pm
Well I'm doing my bit as a retired nurse. Volunteering to make doctors scrubs (tops and pants) out of my old sheets, I have 3 king size should should be able to sew about 4 outfits from all that lot! Hospital in Shetland put out a plea for fabric and sewers to make them - seems they just can't keep up with the demand for fresh outfits and laundering - what has this country come to  ::) anyway I'll be a bit busy for a while, wish me luck  :relief:


What a brilliant idea Polyanya  :thumbsup:   It's years since I last used my sewing machine, and when I tried I couldn't get it to work. Unfortunately I don't think knitted scrubs would work.


It is shocking that stocks and stores of everything from food to hospital essentials have been allowed to get down to ridiculously low levels.  There simply are no reserves, or they all come from China and this time they have needed everything they produce themselves. And there is no Planet B to import from to the Earth


I am sizzling that Boris has given the contracts for ventilators to Dyson and JCB - neither of which has made them before so will have to set up the tooling ability before they can even begin to think about producing the ventilators we need now.  But of course they are major Tory party fund donors.  The contracts should have gone to those who already manufacture ventilators, and support have been given to them to ramp up production.  Politics versus lives!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: harmony on March 28, 2020, 03:13:26 pm

Well done Polyanya. 
 And yes Fleecewife it is shocking.


I just can't imagine how awful the conditions are for frontline NHS staff. Trying to cope with patients but then also not knowing if you'll succumb or take it home to your loved ones. I hope once this over that those staff are recognised and rewarded in some way. Extra paid holidays. I don't know. The physical and emotional effort needed must be completely draining.



Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: alang on March 28, 2020, 03:25:39 pm
I am sizzling that Boris has given the contracts for ventilators to Dyson and JCB - neither of which has made them before so will have to set up the tooling ability before they can even begin to think about producing the ventilators we need now.  But of course they are major Tory party fund donors.  The contracts should have gone to those who already manufacture ventilators, and support have been given to them to ramp up production.  Politics versus lives!

Are you sure about that? The way i read the contract agreement was they were to provide the ventillators on top of those ordered against the company already (working at max output) making them. And besides. With the ability to import a CNC machine/resin printer design in minutes i don't think it'll be that much of a problem.

But don't let me get in the way of your tory bashing. Wonder if wet lettuce lefties could do any better under the circumstances. Probably not. Rock and a hard stone comes to mind.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: cans on March 28, 2020, 04:17:40 pm
Let’s leave any political bashing behind please.

We all need to support each other, not start falling out about who did or didn’t do what. 
Plenty of time for that by others later

Thank you
 :hug:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: macgro7 on March 29, 2020, 11:30:53 am
Sounds like they just want people to be busy  ::)

Realistically it costs less to buy a tshirt from primark than to wash it in public laundrete (in London they cost £7 a wash!!!)

For time being. I still wake up at 5.30 in the morning. Pray, have a coffee and stsrt fixing my summer polytunnel/winter chicken run.

Make sure you stay busy doing whatever you prefer! But make sure you do enough exercise! Heard on BBC radio that even elderly people who walk 10k steps every day have their immune system as strong as much younger people. When you use your muscles you boost your immune system! When sit down all day everything is going down and you die. Whether with virus or not.
If you are stuck st home switch YouTube on and look for home exercise tutorials etc.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: PipKelpy on March 29, 2020, 08:03:12 pm
So this bug is nasty, has any one noticed that in times of distress (coronavirus, bad weather (flooding etc)) there are disaster films on tv?

2012, Day after tomorrow especially on several times before and after Christmas whilst the rains came (climate change........). - AND both on again next week!!

Currently watching Independence Day on E4 whilst dog is in snooze mode!

Nothing like the channels to throw in fictional disasters whilst real-life ones are in full bloom!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: macgro7 on March 29, 2020, 08:15:10 pm
So this bug is nasty, has any one noticed that in times of distress (coronavirus, bad weather (flooding etc)) there are disaster films on tv?

2012, Day after tomorrow especially on several times before and after Christmas whilst the rains came (climate change........). - AND both on again next week!!

Currently watching Independence Day on E4 whilst dog is in snooze mode!

Nothing like the channels to throw in fictional disasters whilst real-life ones are in full bloom!
Last time I went to my in laws house my son (4) said "pause the TV, I need to go toilet" - we only watch iplayer, youtube etc at home. No normal TV. Choose what you wannabe watch  ;)
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Steph Hen on March 30, 2020, 08:13:58 am
I think tv or whatever media can have a big emotional effect over people (some people at least, I can dwell on the emotions I feel days after a powerful film). I'd like to think physiologists have worked out which films and programs are good for people in this situation. I think both sides of the coin are useful. Stuff where people are in difficult situations and pull together or mind over matter or stick up for one another must be good. The Martian comes to mind, saw a great feel good film last year Green Book. Or pure fantasy, Lord of rings style. Whereas indulgence in decadence (we can't go for a walk let alone have an epic party). Powerlessness to natural disasters or the like or stuff with loads of violence and fear I worry may encourage people to dwell on negative thoughts.
Or maybe I'm encouraging censoring of the media!?  :coat:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: macgro7 on March 30, 2020, 09:31:58 am
I think you are right but I dont think physiologists have anything to do with that but rather psychologists  :bouquet:
TV has a great effect on people's minds. Especially kids, but of course adults too!
That's why we should filter what we (and our children) are watching.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: doganjo on March 30, 2020, 10:41:10 am
TV?  What TV?  :coat:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Womble on March 30, 2020, 10:56:39 am
In my case...
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Fleecewife on March 30, 2020, 12:22:56 pm
Those who experiment on mice have shown that, when infected with toxoplasmosis, the mice become far bolder, risking their lives for example not running away from cats but facing up to them. This would be the virus causing a change in behaviour of the host in order to hasten its own spread.  Crafty!


It has been extrapolated from that finding that our chums just across the channel, who tend to eat their meat undercooked, leading to a higher incidence of toxo in the general population, could explain their rather carefree, high risk approach to driving and the higher number of road accidents they have. The toxo is stumped at that point as we don't eat eachother.


I am wondering if SARS-CoV-2 has a similar effect and this could explain why so many folk are ignoring the restrictions and risking their health.  It could also explain why there is this horrible rise in deliberate spitting and coughing in others' faces - the virus is doing all it can to spread itself!  It might also explain why more people are flying off the handle so easily, or maybe that's just fear and frustration  :thinking:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Kiran on March 31, 2020, 06:00:34 am
Well it's been a while since I've had a chance to post, although I have been dipping in and out where I can. Last year we didn't make enough progress on our land because of machine breakdowns and having to direct most of our attention to selling our old house.

Frustratingly this year hasn't started that well as I've Covid19 had caused mayhem in many ways. My days to day job is construction so we still continue to go in every day as that's what the government have decided and as such companies are liable for all wage bills if they decide to close, my kids are out of school and nursery so my wife is having to look after them whilst working from home (can't give her enough praise for managing to do it so far), the weekends are spent trying to do food shops from various places and I'm also a blood biker so when I'm on duty I take a 12 hour shift out of the day.

All in all I'm feeling a touch overwhelmed and that we're going to have another year where nothing gets progressed and all I'm doing is fire fighting. On the plus side my mother is coping well with isolation and the family are healthy so I guess you should always count your blessings. Apologies for the vent.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: oor wullie on April 01, 2020, 08:58:13 am
My wee sis lives in China and its interesting  to hear what they have done to get things under control.

During lock down everybody was issued a QR code, when the nominated person went out (to get food - 1 person per household every 2nd day, police put tape across everyone's front doors so they could tell you hadn't opened your door outwith this alliwance) the code had to be scanned (and persons temperature checked) at key points like the entrance to the shop.  The authorities then had a database and could rapidly isolate anyone who had been in contact with who when a case was found.

Now things are returning to normal but yesterday my sis was showing a new member of staff around the school.  On entry to the cafeteria at lunchtime they are all temperature checked.  This new person was a tiny bit above the accepted temperature so they were immediately put in the schools isolation room.  Further tests continued to show a slightly high temperature so by the end of the afternoon they were in hospital being tested for Corona Virus. If it comes back positive they will be back to full lock down.

We are not doing anything like this level of tracking and breaking the chain of transmission and so, whilst I am sure we will get through this, it is going to take a lot longer than it has done in China.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: macgro7 on April 02, 2020, 06:32:09 am
 My father in law cam back from Egypt (holiday) about 3 weeks ago. In egypt they scanned everyones temperature on the airport. In the UK on the way back - nothing. They just let everyone in as if nothings happening.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: chrismahon on April 02, 2020, 07:30:32 am
Here in France the critical care beds are just about saturated- they are moving people around the Country to places that have capacity. However they seem to think we are at the peak and are discussing relaxing the movement rules. Social distancing is taken very seriously here and supermarkets are limiting the number of people in them resulting in long queues outside.


Just had an email from the UK and it seems very disorganised in terms of controls. Saw the news footage of people at the train station!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Fleecewife on April 02, 2020, 11:56:27 am
Yesterday we had our first ever click and collect order to pick up in Edinburgh (still no delivery slots).  We were expecting chaos and long queues, but all was quiet and calm, just like any other morning. No panic buying, no trolleys piled high with bogrolls, people keeping their distance and with smiles on their faces. There was one car ahead of us, then one behind.  The groceries were brought out while we were still in the car, the man retreated then we got out, loaded the bags into the boot (wearing disposable gloves), we drove off and the man returned to take the empty crates away, then serve the next customer.
There was almost no traffic on the rural roads, and no-one about, but more people than we had expected on the outskirts of town.
I think we hear a lot of negative stuff but it looks to me as if the majority of the population is knuckling under and waiting it out, following the rules.  The news isn't going to be 'interesting' without hearing about the dramatic odd problem. Perhaps social media ramps it all up too, but I don't follow any of that so wouldn't know.  All I saw was calm compliance and good sense, I'm delighted to say.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: arobwk on April 02, 2020, 03:30:17 pm
My father in law cam back from Egypt (holiday) about 3 weeks ago. In egypt they scanned everyones temperature on the airport. In the UK on the way back - nothing. They just let everyone in as if nothings happening.

Ex-BH called her doctor for repeat subscription & was coughing:  "Oh, that doesn't sound good" said Doc ... "I know, but I don't have a fever [temperature]" ... "Not everyone gets a fever with Covid-19" said the Doc !!

While I'm here;  big Sis made and sent me a rainbow butterfly in the post.  I didn't know about the "Rainbows of Hope" thing, but thought I'd share her offering which is presently my avatar.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: macgro7 on April 02, 2020, 04:22:18 pm
Well, I've got a bad cough for last week.

We usually "click and collect" from asda and have been doing so akfor at least a year. Only going in for extra milk etc. But we tried the last week and there was no available slots for next TWO WEEKS (the system only allows tmto book that far). Therefore we will have to go inside the shop again although I would prefer to avoid it atm.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: harmony on April 02, 2020, 04:24:56 pm
Well, I've got a bad cough for last week.

We usually "click and collect" from asda and have been doing so akfor at least a year. Only going in for extra milk etc. But we tried the last week and there was no available slots for next TWO WEEKS (the system only allows tmto book that far). Therefore we will have to go inside the shop again although I would prefer to avoid it atm.



Should your household not isolate for 14 days if you have a cough?
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: macgro7 on April 02, 2020, 05:41:49 pm
Exactly. We are not going anywhere for last two weeks anyway tbh
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: doganjo on April 02, 2020, 05:55:33 pm
I had a groceries delivery last Friday - Morrisons, a lot of things I ordered weren't delivered.  Can't get another delivery - in a queue permanently. 

I've run out of bread, but I'm looking at that as a good thing given my weight problems  :innocent:  and i do have some bread flour and yeast if I get desperate.  :coat:

I bought extra milk (semi skimmed) and frozen it, so I'm fine for that.

However, I was told that I am in the category where I should be shielding and I should have received a letter telling me what i should be doing and offering support - it hasn't arrived yet - why?  Because our poor posties went on strike for a few days when their sorting staff were told they had to continue working as normally - far less than 2 metres apart.   :rant:   My dad was a sorting office supervisor so I know that it is possible to alternate sorting stations.  Our postal service is classed as essential so they must be protected too.

Their union told them to go back to work immediately and that the safety methods would be implemented as soon as possible.  That can't come soon enough in my book.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: macgro7 on April 02, 2020, 06:20:33 pm
At the moment without postal services - royal mail, parcelforce and all the others they would be no business whatsoever. No idea what we would do. We have soooooo many online orders to dispatch every day its unbelievable! We obviously had to close our actual physical shop in town for time being.
On a plus side - we just got baby goats! Two girls! Saanen/Toggenburg cross! One looks like saanen (pure white) and the other like pure toggenburg , although they are twins lol

My Derbyshire Redcap bantams finally started laying this week! Muscovy ducks ar mating all the time so we are expecting a lot of ducklings soon  :fc:

Also I finally had so much time at home that I could start a kid proof (both goat kid and human kid) fence!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Fleecewife on April 02, 2020, 07:15:10 pm



The BEEB website has recipes for Soda Bread, No Yeast Pizza Dough (using natural live yoghourt), and flat breads.  There seems to be NO yeast or bread flour anywhere, although I did get a bag last week from our local bakery so am OK for a bit.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: macgro7 on April 02, 2020, 10:22:38 pm



The BEEB website has recipes for Soda Bread, No Yeast Pizza Dough (using natural live yoghourt), and flat breads.  There seems to be NO yeast or bread flour anywhere, although I did get a bag last week from our local bakery so am OK for a bit.
There were offers at Tesco's month ago! I knew I should have bought it! They had 25kg bag of chapatti flour for £10. Now theres no flour at all. Luckily we still have 2 bags of 2kg of bread flour - still unopened.


We have tried making yogurt pizza dough once - it was actually really nice!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Rupert the bear on April 03, 2020, 06:36:03 pm
Well I'm doing my bit as a retired nurse. Volunteering to make doctors scrubs (tops and pants) out of my old sheets, I have 3 king size should should be able to sew about 4 outfits from all that lot! Hospital in Shetland put out a plea for fabric and sewers to make them - seems they just can't keep up with the demand for fresh outfits and laundering - what has this country come to  ::) anyway I'll be a bit busy for a while, wish me luck  :relief:

Polyanya , I saw the BBC Scotland news briefing this evening, That was you . wasn't it ?
Very well done for a constructive contribution , its times like these that bring out the best in folk, Thank you for making a difference .
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: SallyintNorth on April 03, 2020, 08:32:18 pm
Links and times to see it on iPlayer would be appreciated ;)

Well done Polyanya.   :bouquet:

There's a FB group supposedly co-ordinating makers and hospitals in need, not sure if that covers all or just some.

A retired medic pal going back to work in Newcastle reports no shortages there, but the news from contacts in Cornwall is not so good :/

Lots and lots of heroes in all this,  :bouquet: but going into the fray with no armour and no covering fire... is above and beyond, and never mind clapping them or banging saucepans, you politicians out there, you need to sort out the funding and never, ever let them be in this position again!!   :rant:

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Rupert the bear on April 03, 2020, 10:07:24 pm
Links and times to see it on iPlayer would be appreciated ;)

Well done Polyanya.   :bouquet:

There's a FB group supposedly co-ordinating makers and hospitals in need, not sure if that covers all or just some.

A retired medic pal going back to work in Newcastle reports no shortages there, but the news from contacts in Cornwall is not so good :/

Lots and lots of heroes in all this,  :bouquet: but going into the fray with no armour and no covering fire... is above and beyond, and never mind clapping them or banging saucepans, you politicians out there, you need to sort out the funding and never, ever let them be in this position again!!   :rant:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-scotland-52156993/coronavirus-sewing-nhs-scrubs-out-of-old-bed-sheets (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-scotland-52156993/coronavirus-sewing-nhs-scrubs-out-of-old-bed-sheets)

dont know if it will will on the player
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: SallyintNorth on April 04, 2020, 01:28:58 am
Links and times to see it on iPlayer would be appreciated ;)

Well done Polyanya.   :bouquet:


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-scotland-52156993/coronavirus-sewing-nhs-scrubs-out-of-old-bed-sheets (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-scotland-52156993/coronavirus-sewing-nhs-scrubs-out-of-old-bed-sheets)

dont know if it will will on the player

Yes, that plays :)   Lovely to see - and to hear some lovely Shetland accents. 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: macgro7 on April 04, 2020, 06:48:57 am
Well done! Great job!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Anke on April 04, 2020, 08:29:50 am
Cool!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Fleecewife on April 04, 2020, 12:20:21 pm



Brilliant!  Good sewing too  ;D   It does seem to be causing smiles amongst the staff at Gilbert Bain too  :thumbsup: :trophy:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Polyanya on April 04, 2020, 04:44:02 pm
Cheers folks - I'm still sewing!  :thumbsup: I was shocked to learn the staff had to change clothes if they went on a different ward - well in a small hospital like we have that could be several times a day! No wonder the laundry people couldn't keep up. Wonder if any other hospitals will start a sewing trend.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: doganjo on April 04, 2020, 05:07:42 pm
Is there a pattern available?  I know someone who would do this and has lots of fabric
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: arobwk on April 05, 2020, 09:10:31 pm
Estimated number of WWII civilian deaths across the world (according to one statistic) is almost 35.5 million poor souls:  estimated total of WWII deaths is just over 55 million people !!

Thank goodness we are not in the middle of WWIII then ! 
Obviously I'm looking for positives and, to me, that seems to be one of them. 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: macgro7 on April 06, 2020, 08:12:49 am
Estimated number of WWII civilian deaths across the world (according to one statistic) is almost 35.5 million poor souls:  estimated total of WWII deaths is just over 55 million people !!

Thank goodness we are not in the middle of WWIII then ! 
Obviously I'm looking for positives and, to me, that seems to be one of them.
Around 10mln were polish citizens btw.

Spanish flu in 1918 (just after the world war 1) killed more than 50mln people! More people died than during the war itself!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: arobwk on April 06, 2020, 07:58:52 pm
Estimated number of WWII civilian deaths across the world (according to one statistic) is almost 35.5 million poor souls:  estimated total of WWII deaths is just over 55 million people !!

Thank goodness we are not in the middle of WWIII then ! 
Obviously I'm looking for positives and, to me, that seems to be one of them.
Around 10mln were polish citizens btw.

Spanish flu in 1918 (just after the world war 1) killed more than 50mln people! More people died than during the war itself!

I was going to press the "Like" button, but a Like didn't seem appropriate.  Thanks for the stats though macgro7.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Polyanya on April 09, 2020, 02:16:56 pm
Is there a pattern available?  I know someone who would do this and has lots of fabric

I'm not sure if facebook will let me paste in a link from their page so if you want to check out  fb Shetland Scrubs, lots of info on there. Last time I looked they had been inundated with fabric - I've just finished sewing my last set so will now try and get back to normal ( ???) as the sewing has taken over my life and my house :o