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Livestock => Goats => Topic started by: Belladonna01 on June 02, 2019, 09:52:20 pm

Title: Kid Vaccination.
Post by: Belladonna01 on June 02, 2019, 09:52:20 pm
My kids have been turned out about a month ago and are now two months old. they are the picture of health and growing daily. Though I wasnt aware that they should have been vaccinated.  What should I do at this stage?
Title: Re: Kid Vaccination.
Post by: Dogwalker on June 03, 2019, 06:22:28 am
The advise is to use lambivac for goats.They need two starter doses 4 weeks apart, then a booster every six months.
I try to time it to get the boosters in line with the does pre-kidding dose.
You can order it from your vetYou're not late with it if the does were vaccinated.
Title: Re: Kid Vaccination.
Post by: bj_cardiff on June 03, 2019, 05:14:05 pm
They don't 'need' to be vaccinated, some people swear by it and others don't see the need.

Personally, I vaccinated for 5yrs and since stopping haven't noticed any difference. Its a judgement call :/
Title: Re: Kid Vaccination.
Post by: Dogwalker on June 03, 2019, 06:06:12 pm
Fair comment.I was assuming she wanted to vaccinate as that was what she was asking about.
If you're going to vaccinate follow previous advise.if you've looked into it and decided not to, ignore it.
Title: Re: Kid Vaccination.
Post by: Belladonna01 on June 03, 2019, 08:46:11 pm
Thank you both , Its just I thought it was vital and i had missed doing it. Iwill give both choices some thought.  what about worming the 2month old kids? whens the right time ?
Title: Re: Kid Vaccination.
Post by: Anke on June 03, 2019, 09:04:59 pm
I have had several cases of young goats dying a very painful death from enterotoxaemia, and that is despite vaccination. Tetanus also does still occur, as both diseases are caused by soil living organisms.
So a judgement call.... I still vaccinate, at 4monthly booster intervals.
Title: Re: Kid Vaccination.
Post by: Scarlet.Dragon on June 04, 2019, 03:58:15 pm
I'm with Anke, the Goat Vet Society recommends Lambivac 3 times a year...

Lambivac rather than Heptavac because overloading the goat's immune system by vaccinating for 7 rather than 4 often causes a complete failure of the animal to take up any immunity from the vaccine therefore unless there is a known issue with one of the 3 "other" strains in Heptavac, you're better with Lambivac.

As with any disease, you only need to be vaccinated for it if you're going to catch it... but with the clostridial diseases, by the time you've caught it if you don't have vaccination immunity it's a death sentence and an unpleasant and painful one at that.  I value my goats higher than the cost of 3 bottles of Lambivac a year, and would never forgive myself if I chose that saving and it cost me one or more of their lives.

It's a choice everyone has to make for themselves though.
Title: Re: Kid Vaccination.
Post by: Tanya Russell on June 09, 2019, 12:25:07 pm
I was told this vaccination protocol for goat kids very recently by a good vet and it makes sense to me:

1. If the Mum was vaccinated within 3 months and the kid is feeding from mum, then start the kid on Lambivac at 3 months as the they should have passive immunity from their mums up till then.

2. If not feeding off mum, or mum not vaccinated, then give lambivac at 2 weeks old for the clostridial diseases. Then 1 week later give Ovipast Plus for pasteurellosis caused by M. haemolytica and P. trehalosi. Obviously Lambivac booster 4- 6 weeks after the first injection and the Ovipast give a booster 4 - 6 weeks after the first injection. Then booster for Lambivac every 6 months. It was suggested to me that the Ovipast is only needed when they are young and also useful to give to a female who is breeding, as again she will pass the passive immunity on to the kid to ensure immunity in the first few weeks/ months.

I would always vaccinate as a viable healthy precaution.
Title: Re: Kid Vaccination.
Post by: Backinwellies on June 12, 2019, 10:39:21 am
I was told this vaccination protocol for goat kids very recently by a good vet and it makes sense to me:

1. If the Mum was vaccinated within 3 months and the kid is feeding from mum, then start the kid on Lambivac at 3 months as the they should have passive immunity from their mums up till then.

2. If not feeding off mum, or mum not vaccinated, then give lambivac at 2 weeks old for the clostridial diseases. Then 1 week later give Ovipast Plus for pasteurellosis caused by M. haemolytica and P. trehalosi. Obviously Lambivac booster 4- 6 weeks after the first injection and the Ovipast give a booster 4 - 6 weeks after the first injection. Then booster for Lambivac every 6 months. It was suggested to me that the Ovipast is only needed when they are young and also useful to give to a female who is breeding, as again she will pass the passive immunity on to the kid to ensure immunity in the first few weeks/ months.

I would always vaccinate as a viable healthy precaution.

All very correct … and covers all bases …. however if you only have a small number of goats this is an expensive routine as vaccines come in minimal doses and don't keep …    ….as BJ says its a judgment call
Title: Re: Kid Vaccination.
Post by: Belladonna01 on June 12, 2019, 09:05:00 pm
what are the costs roughly?
Title: Re: Kid Vaccination.
Post by: Scarlet.Dragon on June 12, 2019, 11:06:47 pm
From memory I think the 25 dose bottle of Lambivac is about 20 quid... you could try getting in touch with your local goat club or other keepers in the area to do a "bottle share" arrangement.  You can't sell unused product on as that's illegal but you can jointly agree to use one bottle between you and take it in turns to buy.  The downside is the bottle needs to be used within 10 hours of the cap being breached so you have to coordinate on when you're going to do vaccinations so that you can get the bottle or the doses distributed in a timely manner.  Talk to your vet about it, they may know someone who would be willing to do the share; although they'll lose the revenue, it's unlikely they're going to go bust for the sake of a couple of bottles of Lambivac each year.