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Community => Coffee Lounge => Topic started by: Goatherd on March 06, 2019, 08:23:35 am
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So this is it March changing of clocks could be the last time as EU have voted not to change them
any more By the end of April 2019 each EU country will decide to be Summer time or Winter time
then no more changing Will we still be EU
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Ooh controversial. Popcorn anyone?
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Time, hmmm interesting concept.
As far as I am aware the earth will continue rotating at roughly the same rate,and it's axis will shift on a regular pattern.with this in mind it will get dark and it will get light. ( As sure as night follows,you get the idea ,)
At some time during this light/dark cycle the animals will routinely get fed and watered,the vegetables,trees and crops will grow .
Many moons ago I never thought I would see so many summers ,I know the day I was born ,it was the day before the birds changed their song for the spring some sixty two summers ago..
I will eat if I'm hungry, sleep when I'm tired.
EU, hmmm interesting concept................
:) :) :)
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Rupert, did you not realise that the EU rule everything????
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Yes very funny, but not so funny to those sending children to walk to and from school in the dark in winter.
I’m not a parent or teacher myself, but I was left in no doubt by my friends in the north of England and in Scotland who are, that the clocks going back in autumn is a very real safety factor.
But I guess if it’s the summertime change which is abandoned, then the winter hours remain the same as now, so it would be fine?
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Yes very funny, but not so funny to those sending children to walk to and from school in the dark in winter.
I’m not a parent or teacher myself, but I was left in no doubt by my friends in the north of England and in Scotland who are, that the clocks going back in autumn is a very real safety factor.
But I guess if it’s the summertime change which is abandoned, then the winter hours remain the same as now, so it would be fine?
Winter time is the "correct" one actually. It would be summer time that would change - atm in summer the noon is at 1pm and in winter at 12pm (more or less).
I am a parent and a teacher (evenings in the mosque however - not morning school).
And I used to walk to school starting at 7.30am through knee deep snow in -23C and I'm still alive! Wow! Amazing isn't it? Lol :roflanim:
I always found it really stupid that we change from summer to do yet time to save electricity from lighting supposedly. I still don't understand how it works.
As for EU - I really regret that UK is leaving (I'll be EU citizen anyway so n need for visas etc :P). UK is suppose to continue following the all the laws and regulations which are approves in till the day that The UK officially leaves (I would prefer that would never happen but it is not my decision).
Anyway summer or winter we are all still friends :hug:
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Rupert, did you not realise that the EU rule everything????
Now that's interesting, I am currently in a country that like quite a few in the EU don't quite believe that the EU rule everything, get paid for stuff yes but treat the rules as advisory unlike the UK !
Children going to school in the dark.
In my part of North East Scotland most of the pedestrian children use a footpath nearly all lit wear high visibility clothing or at the very least an armband the rest get the school bus or parents taxi.
Oh and nearly all the motor vehicles have headlights , useful if the driver remembers to turn them on!!!
Anyone up for the farmers feeding animals in the dark next ,?
I do have tounge firmly in cheek
Ps I had to walk to school in the dark and no street lights and hiviz unheard of.
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Having retired we won't really be affected, but losing Summer time means an end to the longer evenings I think? That's bad news for people that work.
We are on approximately the same line of longitude as London, but an hour ahead so get much longer Winter evenings with the extra 1 ¼ hours daylight from being further South. Opposite in Summer though.
Assuming Brexit goes ahead the UK can then do what it wants. The EU decision was based on an internet poll last week which had 80-84% of people wishing to scrap Summer time. If that has something to do with the title 'British' I wouldn't be at all surprised.
The French President has just published his 'Great Renaissance plan for Europe without the UK' heralding it as a great step forward for the remaining 21 EU states. Haven't read it yet.
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Having retired we won't really be affected, but losing Summer time means an end to the longer evenings I think? That's bad news for people that work.
No no.
It means sunset will be 1 hour LATER in the summer so the evening will be longer!
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I change our clock half hour in morning half hour in the evening It helps the milkers not so tight
udders or upsetting them
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We get our chickens out when it is light and lock them up when it is dark, so any change to the clock time doesn't affect them but certainly does me as the relative timings of all the TV programmes change.
I'm sure that the Summertime change gives longer evenings Macgro7, so if they don't make the change evenings are shorter?
Said on the French TV this morning that 83% of EU want to stop the clocks changing, but also 53% of French want to keep the Summertime change- guess they have been outvoted?
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It’s “spring forward, fall back”, so on summertime what would have been 10pm becomes 11, so yes, longer light evenings
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In my part of North East Scotland most of the pedestrian children use a footpath nearly all lit wear high visibility clothing or at the very least an armband the rest get the school bus or parents taxi.
Oh and nearly all the motor vehicles have headlights , useful if the driver remembers to turn them on!!!
Anyone up for the farmers feeding animals in the dark next ,?
I do have tounge firmly in cheek
Ps I had to walk to school in the dark and no street lights and hiviz unheard of.
Yes very funny.
But when we were kids, there were far fewer cars on the roads, they drove slower and more carefully, particularly in the countryside, and there was more of a feeling that the roads were for all users equally.
These days, loads of cars, most go as fast as the car and driver can handle with little regard for road conditions or other road users, most drivers think they own the road and everyone else should get out of the way.
Of course, what do I know, I just used to have to hold back the traffic when we were moving livestock on lanes that had been used this way for more than a hundred years. Thirty years ago you could bring sheep out onto the road to feed them in muddy winter conditions, and the very light traffic would carefully make its way past, or just wait and chat to the farmer while the sheep ate. Seven years ago we had a batch of sheep massacred on the road because a driver drove full pelt over the blind brow of a hill and the police supported the driver as he had not been exceeding the speed limit - 60mph :o :rant:
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In my part of North East Scotland most of the pedestrian children use a footpath nearly all lit wear high visibility clothing or at the very least an armband the rest get the school bus or parents taxi.
Oh and nearly all the motor vehicles have headlights , useful if the driver remembers to turn them on!!!
Anyone up for the farmers feeding animals in the dark next ,?
I do have tounge firmly in cheek
Ps I had to walk to school in the dark and no street lights and hiviz unheard of.
Yes very funny.
But when we were kids, there were far fewer cars on the roads, they drove slower and more carefully, particularly in the countryside, and there was more of a feeling that the roads were for all users equally.
These days, loads of cars, most go as fast as the car and driver can handle with little regard for road conditions or other road users, most drivers think they own the road and everyone else should get out of the way.
Of course, what do I know, I just used to have to hold back the traffic when we were moving livestock on lanes that had been used this way for more than a hundred years. Thirty years ago you could bring sheep out onto the road to feed them in muddy winter conditions, and the very light traffic would carefully make its way past, or just wait and chat to the farmer while the sheep ate. Seven years ago we had a batch of sheep massacred on the road because a driver drove full pelt over the blind brow of a hill and the police supported the driver as he had not been exceeding the speed limit - 60mph :o :rant:
That an awful thing to happen. I understand the reason to feed on the road,sadly Times change but rural speed limits are too high in my view. The commercial goat farm I visited still retain the same hours for milking without refering to the clock. I witnessed the goat herding by drone project,but that's for another post.
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Surely the number of hours of daylight doesn't change with the time?
It’s “spring forward, fall back”, so on summertime what would have been 10pm becomes 11, so yes, longer light evenings
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It’s “spring forward, fall back”, so on summertime what would have been 10pm becomes 11, so yes, longer light evenings
Surely the number of hours of daylight doesn't change with the time?
No, but if sunset is 10pm UTC, then on British Summertime, sunset would be 11pm. So the evenings are lighter longer on BST.
Sunrise moves too, of course, so if it’s 4am on UTC it would be 5am on summertime. So it gets light a little later in the morning on summertime.
Those of us without external pressures can just get up and go to bed with the light, so it makes little difference. People with office or other 9-5 (or 8-4 or whatever) type jobs will feel the difference in evening length more, particularly if they like to do things outdoors in the evening. And parents with kids at school will also feel the impact, as the kids need to be put to bed at the same time, at least on a school night, to get enough sleep. If your kids go to bed at 9, you might have a couple of hours of daylight left to enjoy after they’re out of your hair on BST, but only one without the summertime adjustment.
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The problem is when you start work at 2am like my mum. Then you need good black out curtains if you want to sleep.
I can't fall asleep at day time at all...
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"No, but if sunset is 10pm UTC, then on British Summertime, sunset would be 11pm. So the evenings are lighter longer on BST."
There can't possibly be any more daylight just by changing the clocks. :excited: :excited: :excited: You just get up earlier :innocent:
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Exactly. Atm we sleep to long in the morning! We should wake earlier anyway!
My grandmother used to start her office job at 7am and finish at 3pm! I think we should have those working hours again!
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There can't possibly be any more daylight just by changing the clocks. :excited: :excited: :excited: You just get up earlier :innocent:
We have a winner ! Time is intangible and of course relative ,but only to whatever you wish to value it by.
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"No, but if sunset is 10pm UTC, then on British Summertime, sunset would be 11pm. So the evenings are lighter longer on BST."
There can't possibly be any more daylight just by changing the clocks. :excited: :excited: :excited: You just get up earlier :innocent:
You didn’t read the rest of my post, then?
Sunrise moves too, of course, so if it’s 4am on UTC it would be 5am on summertime. So it gets light a little later in the morning on summertime.
Those of us without external pressures can just get up and go to bed with the light, so it makes little difference. People with office or other 9-5 (or 8-4 or whatever) type jobs will feel the difference in evening length more, particularly if they like to do things outdoors in the evening. And parents with kids at school will also feel the impact, as the kids need to be put to bed at the same time, at least on a school night, to get enough sleep. If your kids go to bed at 9, you might have a couple of hours of daylight left to enjoy after they’re out of your hair on BST, but only one without the summertime adjustment.
It makes a difference to people who don’t have the freedom to rise and retire with the light, for instance people with jobs, people with children - most people, in fact ;)
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Bugger most people I am the important one - said very tongue in cheek.
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Same here Buttermilk, Just got to convince the goats now :roflanim:
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Bugger most people I am the important one - said very tongue in cheek.
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Facts are chiels that winna ding! :roflanim:
If there are 10 hours of daylight in one day there are 10 hours of daylight in that day - Fact!
My problem is I never know which way to turn the clock, forward or back :eyelashes:
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My problem is I never know which way to turn the clock, forward or back
Ah, well, this explains perhaps why I am failing so signally to get my point across! :D
I recmember it from “Spring forward, fall back”. (“Spring back, fall forward” just doesn’t have a ring to it.)
So in spring, the clocks go forward, so you add one hour. What was 9 o’clock becomes 10 o’clock.
In fall, the clocks go back, so you take off one hour. What was 10 o’clock becomes 9 o’clock.
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Facts are chiels that winna ding! :roflanim:
If there are 10 hours of daylight in one day there are 10 hours of daylight in that day - Fact!
My problem is I never know which way to turn the clock, forward or back :eyelashes:
:excited: :coat:
I’m going to have one more try.
So, let’s talk accounts! I know you understand them!
We are going to put £100 in someone’s bank account.
In the first story, the person currently has a zero balance, so ends up with £100.
In the second story, the person is currently £10 in the red, so end up with £90.
In both stories, they were given £100, but in one of the stories, they end up with a smaller balance at the end.
The analogy isn’t perfect, but the thing is, someone who gets home from work at 6pm will have daylight longer in the evening if the sunset is at 10 o’clock than if it is at 9 o’clock. So when the clocks go back in autumn, this person’s evening light gets shortened by one hour.
Of course, in the financial analogy, those of us without day jobs or other clock constraints on our enjoyment of daylight are effectively being given cash in hand, so we all get £100 no matter what our bank balance was at the beginning of the story ;) :roflanim:
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I DO know what you are trying to say (even without the accounts analogy) Sally. :excited: :excited:
But logic tells me there are only the same number of daylight hours in each day regardless of when you get up or go to bed.
And no one can tell me any different :coat:
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But logic tells me there are only the same number of daylight hours in each day regardless of when you get up or go to bed.
I don’t think anyone’s disputing that, Annie! I’m certainly not. Just the number of daylight hours left in the evening, if your life is constrained by clocks.
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I am a morning person and would rather have my extra light before work than after.
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I am a morning person and would rather have my extra light before work than after.
Wow! How early do you wake up?
Down here sunrise is summer is around 4am!
Even if we did not have the summer time the sun would rise around 5 anyway. I wish I could wake up that early to be honest...
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I start milking at 4.30 every morning but when the clocks change the milkers don't like it
they like their set meal times. But being in the fields to 10.30 at night is great
And I have always used spring forward fall back.
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I am a morning person and would rather have my extra light before work than after.
Wow! How early do you wake up?
Down here sunrise is summer is around 4am!
Even if we did not have the summer time the sun would rise around 5 anyway. I wish I could wake up that early to be honest...
In summer I like to have the horses fields poo picked by 6am. It is cool and there is wildlife to be seen.
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Mind you, I used to take my goat for a walk on Sunday at 6am. And I love in the city