The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Community => Coffee Lounge => Topic started by: Hilarysmum on August 05, 2010, 09:42:38 am
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Good moaning; over here (France) the bull calves from embryos from cloned cows going into the meat chain is big news. I heard on Radio 4 the minister for whatever playing it down, saying the meat is safe for human consumption. Whether or not this is correct, I am astonished that "they" have decided for "me" that this can be introduced into the food chain without any prior notice. The very least all products from this source should be labelled as from cloned cows. I believe I should have the right to choose whether or not I eat meat from cloned cows, or for that matter from any gm sources.
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Agreed!
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I agree too but who knows if we get the truth???
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from the research I have been doing on this 'cloning' and 'gm' are 2 entirely different things. Within the cloning they do not genetically modify anything they actually clone the other animal exactly which makes the 2 animals like twins.
In the US they have been allowing this meat and milk into the food chain for a while without consumer knowledge.
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they seem to do whot they like .the bull came in last yere its had 100 calves so far and its just up the road from me .i bet you they will naw get rid off all these animals and pay the compintation at eney price
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Exactly, but what right do "they" have to impose this on "me/us". My understanding is that line breeding is frowned upon beyond one generation, cloning is a far more dramatic version of line/in-breeding.
I need a jumping up and down with frustration and smoke coming out of my ears smiley
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What we think does not matter, we are just the stupid public that they use as Ginnie pigs. >:(
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I think this sort of happening is why more and more people are growing their own, meat as well as veg. and fruit!
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Am I being thick here? Apart from the lack of courtesy in not being told it is from a cloned grandparent, what hazard is there for me if I eat that meat?
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Am I being thick here? Apart from the lack of courtesy in not being told it is from a cloned grandparent, what hazard is there for me if I eat that meat?
You're probably correct, there is probably no direct hazard, but it is a failure of the meat traceability system - you should know where your meat comes from. You could then make your own choice.
John
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Yes, I agree with that entirely, but I doubt if the farmer is at fault all on his own, if at all. And it seems to me he might be made a scapegoat?
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same reason as usual - greed. Let's just make a few bucks, Pounds, Euro, just because we can... :&> :&>
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Am I being thick here? Apart from the lack of courtesy in not being told it is from a cloned grandparent, what hazard is there for me if I eat that meat?
You're probably correct, there is probably no direct hazard, but it is a failure of the meat traceability system - you should know where your meat comes from. You could then make your own choice.
John
EXACTLY
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i think you would find that the farmer got paid to have that bull .so then say wev got lots in the chain and it dosent matter .im a farmer and it does matter things messed a bout
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Yes, I agree with that entirely, but I doubt if the farmer is at fault all on his own, if at all. And it seems to me he might be made a scapegoat?
From what I have read, the poor farmer tried to establish before he got the bull, if it would be a problem for any offspring to go into the food chain or into milk production. And he was told, no it wouldn't. So I don't think its his fault, he tried to make certain even before he got it!
Beth
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I am not blaming anyone per se, however I do feel that I as a consumer have the right to decide whether or not I eat meat that has been through what I consider to be a non natural process, whether it be from cloned cow embryos or from genetic modification or just from growth promoters and hormones. If the meat was clearly and obviously labelled it would cause me no concern as I would then just avoid buying it.
I dont tend to eat meat that I can n ot provenance anyway, but feel I am exceptionally lucky being able to do so. Labelling is very misleading in UK and most of europe and I feel that as a consumer my right is to know what I am eating and where it came from.
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I as a consumer have the right to decide whether or not I eat meat that has been through what I consider to be a non natural process
Ok, So should they also label meat that is bred using AI ? because thats not a "natural" process either.
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Arent you being just a touch pedantic?
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Possibly, and Im on the fence on this one, but what Im saying is that a lot of the things we think are "natural" these days would once have been considered un-natural.
So taking "Natural" to extremes, a label on your sunday roast could read: "From a Cow conceived by AI, Delivered by C section, Got an infection at 3 months and kept alive with anti-biotics whilst eating grass fertilised with pelleted nitrogen fertiliser, whilst flys were kept away with a chemical repellant."
are we therefore saying that humans conceived in a Lab (ie. test tube babies) are also un-natural etc etc.
All Im saying is that we choose when to use the term "Natural" and when to ignore it.
......and I know I will regret the flack I will get over this post, but we cant just throw our arms in the air and say it's un-natural and therefore bad.
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Actually, I agree. We do change our views over the years - some good, some bad. Is till can't see a problem with thsi meat apart form it not having been labelled. There was nothing actually wrong with the meat - not poisoned, reared well by a dedicated farming family from the stories I've heard, who are devastated by all of this.
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That is my whole point, that the meat was not labelled. If it was I and anyone else who does not want to eat this meat would have been able to avoid it. Now its in the food chain who knows who ate it. Its not what it is, its my right to decide, and therefore it should have been made public and labelled.
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yes ...I agree with you there HM . The labeling is a total joke and many things are legally hidden by omission . Down to ££££ $$$$ and political and corporate corruption again .
I would rather eat a bowl of good healthy Kellogg's corn flakes than eat 'iffy' meat !!!! er oh no hang on , can't eat them either ...Kellogg's use GM corn and choose by omission , not to tell the public .
cheers
Russ
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I don't actually think there is any food 'safe' unless you grow/rear it yourself and then again what about the food for your anuimals/plants - are they 'safe' I actually buy my meat from friends now rather than supermarkets, and feel that it's at least a wee bit healthier.
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I do like a nice healthy debate......
On the subject of labelling, where would you like to draw the line?
a) GM?
b) Cloned?
c) Given Antibiotics at any stage of it's life?
d) Been treated with any chemical product?
e) Been fed any non-organic feed?
f) Been a result of AI or non-natural birth?
Thanks
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If I wanted all that I would buy organic. I would like truthful, straightforward, labelling showing traceability and yes I want to know if I am eating anything that is GMO or cloned or such.