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Livestock => Sheep => Topic started by: LeanneR88 on July 06, 2017, 11:46:46 pm
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New sheep owner so looking for some advice...
Have a 2 month old lamb who was an orphan so a pet when bought was told a female but since have had my doubts as doesn't p same as the other 2 olde females I have, have tried to look under lamb but just as confused still...
Any advice or even pictures of male and female lamb so I know exactly what I'm looking for :(
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male lamb peeing
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female
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If you lift the tail, a male has just an anus, whereas the female has an anus and below that a vulva. Even the big boys get it wrong sometimes....in our sheep society a well known showman had his sheep placed by a top judge, in a ewe class....it was later found to be a wether :roflanim: Red faces :-[ all round ;D
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Watch for it peeing. A ewe lamb will squat slightly, lift her tail and pee from below the base of the tail. A ram lamb will stand and the pee will come from midway along its underline.
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Thanks everyone :) My 2 older lambs do squat like a dog to pee, so basically that clarifies he is a boy as he just kinda stands ;)
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Has he been castrated? If not you will soon need to separate him from the 2 ewe lambs.
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I bought him and was told he was a female!!! Only had him a week and soon had my suspicions he wasn't, he is booked into vets to be castrated tomorrow and will then just be kept as my pet ;)
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I bought him and was told he was a female!!! Only had him a week and soon had my suspicions he wasn't, he is booked into vets to be castrated tomorrow and will then just be kept as my pet ;)
Has he got nuts??
Should be very easy to see if he has..... more likely he's a wether and therefore harmless
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I bought him and was told he was a female!!! Only had him a week and soon had my suspicions he wasn't, he is booked into vets to be castrated tomorrow and will then just be kept as my pet ;)
Has he got nuts??
Should be very easy to see if he has..... more likely he's a wether and therefore harmless
Would they be obvious at 2 months old though? I cannot see anything...
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They would be impossible to miss!!
If nothing between back legs he's a wether, therefore perfectly fine to run with ewes. Most commercial farms castrate with a band at a few days old so there would be nothing to see.
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Have a good look for testicles before you take him to the vet, otherwise he/she will be dining out on that one for weeks :innocent:
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They would be impossible to miss!!
If nothing between back legs he's a wether, therefore perfectly fine to run with ewes. Most commercial farms castrate with a band at a few days old so there would be nothing to see.
I did ask once realised a boy if castrated and the answer I got was 'no as thought he was a girl' unsure whether to believe the seller or not now they are ignoring me :(
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Have a good look for testicles before you take him to the vet, otherwise he/she will be dining out on that one for weeks :innocent:
Right I shall tip him up when I get home and have a thorough investigation :)
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I bought him and was told he was a female!!! Only had him a week and soon had my suspicions he wasn't, he is booked into vets to be castrated tomorrow and will then just be kept as my pet ;)
Has he got nuts??
Should be very easy to see if he has..... more likely he's a wether and therefore harmless
Actually at that young an age if not castrated would he show interest in the ewes?
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Probably not quite yet but come august/September he will probably start to show interest.
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Can you get a photo of area under tail? and below?
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Yes I shall attempt it when rain stops a bit ????
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If he has nuts you would see them,may not be huge but they will be there.
Unless the seller banded them soon after birth rendering him a good pet with no chance of being a dady :thumbsup:
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If he is a boy (i.e. has a willy and no vulva under the anus!) and he also has no testicles, it is possible that he is undescended. There's often a small sac with nothing in it. In this case he needs keeping away from the girls from late summer onwards as he could still be potent.
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If he has nuts you would see them,may not be huge but they will be there.
Unless the seller banded them soon after birth rendering him a good pet with no chance of being a dady :thumbsup:
Sorry for all the questions! Would there be any marks left if done?
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:excited: :roflanim: :excited: One of my barren "ewes" turned out to be a boy. "She" was in the lambing field and I was checking for lambs when I saw that "she" was peeing like a boy.
My tame lamb (who is a castrated boy) has a small curl of hair where his balls fell off after banding, he has a similar curl where his tail was banded. If I didn't know what that curl was about I wouldn't guess it was a scar.
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Easy-peasy! Does it widdle out the middle? It's a boy !!
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Sorry for all the questions! Would there be any marks left if done?
Yes, it leaves a mark a bit like a belly button where the nuts used to be.
It's far more accurate to look for widdle from the middle though, or for a vulva. If you're really struggling, say so, and I'll go out and take photos of a few back ends for you tomorrow (what the hell did I just volunteer to do??? ;D ).
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Sorry for all the questions! Would there be any marks left if done?
Yes, it leaves a mark a bit like a belly button where the nuts used to be.
It's far more accurate to look for widdle from the middle though, or for a vulva. If you're really struggling, say so, and I'll go out and take photos of a few back ends for you tomorrow (what the hell did I just volunteer to do??? ;D ).
And just hope you aren't seen, funny how some people might jump to wrong conclusions. ;D
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Having a bad morning and this thread has proper cheered me up :thumbsup:
Watching for the wee is the simplest way to tell in the field :)
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Oh for goodness sake ! everyone knows the boy lambs have blue ribbons and the girl lambs have pink ones. Don't they ?
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Having a bad morning and this thread has proper cheered me up :thumbsup:
Watching for the wee is the simplest way to tell in the field :)
But it's like collecting droppings for FEC,how often do they go when you want them to? :)
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It's possible he's been ringed and the scrotal sac removed but the testicles not removed. So as well as looking, have a feel of the lower belly, between the back legs. At that age they're pretty large, bigger than lambs kidneys, and very solid, so you won't miss them if they're there.
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It is also possible that he/she is a hermaphrodite! Sorry to add to the confusion but that would explain a lot. A few years ago I had triplets from a Badgerface ewe. I identified them as ewe lambs as they all had vulvas. After a few weeks I noticed a change in the appearance of one of the lambs, it's head became more masculine and horns started to develop, it also started to smell very 'rammy'. Once it was more mature it had a rudimentary penis inside it's vulva and a testicle high up in it's groin. So it didn't widdle from the middle, but wasn't female either! This might explain why the breeder thought it was female and didn't castrate as there is no scrotum. Obviously my lamb went in the freezer. Just for the record the other two ewe lambs were fertile and successfully had lambs, as I understand that if this happens in a multiple birth in cattle then the other offspring is infertile.
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This was the original post, so no hint of hermaphrodite, rig etc:
New sheep owner so looking for some advice...
Have a 2 month old lamb who was an orphan so a pet when bought was told a female but since have had my doubts as doesn't p same as the other 2 olde females I have, have tried to look under lamb but just as confused still...
Any advice or even pictures of male and female lamb so I know exactly what I'm looking for :(
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IT would seem this lamb is bang on modern thinking as its GENDER NON SPECIFIC
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IT would seem this lamb is bang on modern thinking as its GENDER NON SPECIFIC
:roflanim: :sheep: :roflanim:
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Where do you live. If you're anywhere near me I'll come look at it and tell you.
You could turn it into its belly, take a photo and we could probably tell you
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Ahh come on, I’ve been logging in 3 times a day and can’t stand the suspense any longer...........is it a boy or is it a girl?
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I agree EP90, I haven't been in this much suspense since the 'what's in the parcel' episode posted by Devonlady recently! :roflanim:
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[member=34360]LeanneR88[/member] I would like to know if you did take him to the vet, and what the verdict was - pleease ;D
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as I understand that if this happens in a multiple birth in cattle then the other offspring is infertile.
Mixed twins in cattle results in the female being infertile (a "freemartin") as she's been exposed to the male hormones of the bull calf in utero.
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as I understand that if this happens in a multiple birth in cattle then the other offspring is infertile.
Mixed twins in cattle results in the female being infertile (a "freemartin") as she's been exposed to the male hormones of the bull calf in utero.
We had a cow that was a twin once, slipped through the net and ran with the bull. Gave us 4 great calves until we lost her as a tb reactor 6 weeks ago.
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I was about to say, "can be infertile - but isn't always."
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In these parts no-one breeds from the heifer calf from mixed twins.
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In these parts no-one breeds from the heifer calf from mixed twins.
It wasn't the intention either but OH's parents didn't think she was a twin- it was only when I looked back through the movement book and passport that it confirmed she was. Since then the cow paperwork has all been put on the computer making it easy to background check without trawling through paper records. One of the best cows in the herd too... always the case with TB broke my heart to see her shot on the farm.
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In these parts no-one breeds from the heifer calf from mixed twins.
In general, no one takes fhe risk, I agree. Especially when they'll sell well as stores or fat. But you can't rely on them being infertile, some of them do come a-bulling.
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I'm beginning to wonder -
surprised we haven't had requested photos or confirmation by now.
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Last weekend I sorted out a batch of sheep for some new owners to collect next week.... All great till yesterday ..... Struck by outbreak of scold .... So had them in to treat ..... Just as well I did one of shearlings had an extra appendage in middle of stomach! How embarrassing if I'd sold as female! .....note to self ... Get records right this year!
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I heard on the news today that on train station they are no longer allowed to say 'welcome ladies and gentlemen' - but they have to say 'hello everyone'.
Surly everyone thinks they are one or the other even if they have idea of changing or have changed - or if your undecided your being said welcome to twice?
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I don't know anyone who is transgender, but I guess the phrase "Ladies and Gentlemen" could make you feel excluded if you were neither.
It costs so little to speak mindfully, and can mean so much to people who could otherwise feel excluded, sidelined, invisible or discriminated against.
TBH it would never have occurred to me about phrases like "Ladies and Gentlemen", being in the privileged position of being securely one gender, but now I am more aware. So thanks for posting this, bazzais.