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Title: Advice re Planning
Post by: jameslindsay on June 06, 2010, 08:12:12 am: A few weeks ago a neighbour offered us an old static caravan for which we could use for storage of animal feed or as a bed for the goats. We jumped at the chance and put it out the back where it is well hidden underneath the overgrowth of trees etc. However, it is in front of a neighbours patio area and kitchen window - but she does not look in to the caravan and she can only see it if she looks down. Anyway, long story short she has reported us to planning who turned up on Thursday for a nosey. I was informed that as this is a business we would need planning permission - if it was private land we would not! What a pile of crap.

So, if we apply for planning permission and pay the £160 plus I doubt we have a chance that the planners will pass it. They turned us down for our extension but then the Councillors over ruled their decision, so you see they are already peeved at us. I asked the guy what would happen if I didn't apply for planning permission and he was a bit unsure but said they could issue an order to remove the caravan. So, I think we will sit it out, wait and see - and advice? You try to do good for your animals and provide them with a secure, waterproof shelter and bacause I am a business my right are different!!!

I am going to phone the planners tomorrow and say that this is my home for which I pay community tax so therefore I should be allowed to have a bit private garden and see what they say on that. I am so angry at my neighbour as this does not block her view in any way. What would you do?
Title: Re: Advice re Planning
Post by: Rosemary on June 06, 2010, 08:19:32 am: Maybe go and chat to the neighbour? I wouldn't want to look out on to a scabby static caravan (not saying your's IS scabby, but beauty IS in the eye of the beholder) and might fear that this was the thin end of the wedge. I suppose it depends on your relationship with said neighbour, though. Maybe it can be sorted by chatting t through - although the planning genie is now out of the bottle.

I assume you didn't discuss the siting of the caravan before the fact.
Title: Re: Advice re Planning
Post by: jameslindsay on June 06, 2010, 08:26:26 am: Rosemary to be honest talking to her is out of the question. She did talk to us and say she didn't like where it was sited and we said that was the best place for it so she took the official step. She does enjoy a beautiful view and that view is mostly our land but as you know you do not buy a view. The caravan is an old thing but as I said it is enveloped in amongs the trees and she does not look in to it. We decided to site it where we did as it is mainly for safety as it is the closest place to the house and it is a long thin piece of useless land where the railway used to pass and because it was so shaded and would not be visible.
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Post by: jameslindsay on June 06, 2010, 09:34:53 pm: I was discussing this topic with an architect customer this afternoon and he adviced not to apply for planning on the grounds that it should take forever for the council to do anything! It so angers me when I pass so many farms around this area and all of them with several/lots of static caravans either for their berry pickers or storeage for people and I bet you not one of these farmers has, or has been told to, apply for planning permission.
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Post by: Anke on June 06, 2010, 10:06:28 pm: Can you put some green fencing or similar round it, or put in some stout wire or mesh and grow up climbers, I am sure there are many that will thrive in shady areas - try ivy, your goats will love you for it!

Then it is out of direct view???? And you have done something about it, that the planners would almost certainly demand if any PP was granted.
Title: Re: Advice re Planning
Post by: Roxy on June 06, 2010, 11:51:04 pm: How many houses do you pass, James, who own a caravan and have it sitting on their drive? This may be blocking someone's view, but nothing is ever done about it!!!

A friend of ours has a caravan site - not very big, but its quite popular. She got a static caravan, intending to let it out for holidays. It was up against the side of her house, so not sticking out like a sore thumb. Someone reported it though, and it had to be moved. Yet, the field was full of tourers all summer!!!

I have a 4 berth caravan parked in front of the farmhouse - we say we are living in it, while renovating the farm (which we are). Behind the hedge I have another caravan where all the farm cats live!! I am in a green belt area too. Nothing said so far.

I cannot see why you running a business should affect whether you can have the caravan or not? You are right though, it does take forever for the council to take steps to make you move it. And its got wheels? Then it is surely classed as temporary and mobile.
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Post by: jameslindsay on June 07, 2010, 08:43:31 am: Hi Roxy, bureaucracy is full of double standards. I have 2 houses attached to my property, the first is the holiday home for a couple from Glasgow and the second is a lady who used to just live there during school holidays but now is retired and lived there full time. Both houses were delighted at seeing us gradually introduce the animals but the second we try and give the animals a decent shelter all hell happens. This caravan which is on wheels can be seen from nowhere except the back of their property and only if you look down the way. It does not block any view or block out light from windows.

The neighbours who only use the house now and again decided to send us a lawyers letter on Friday saying that a small and useless piece of land that they have always said is ours in now theirs and they want to put a fence on it. So, if it is their land why the hell ask our permission to put up a fence, why have they always asked us permission to stand on it to enable them to wash the conservatory roof and why can't they just show us their title deeds that says yip this is their land? For the first time in my life not getting on with my neighbours! The fight continues...
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Post by: sheila on June 07, 2010, 09:31:01 am: I tell you what james. don't get caught up in their games or the legallities of it. you will be the one to suffer both financially and mentally if you do. Rather feel sorry for them and the fact that they have nothing better to do in their lives.Don't move anything until forced by law to do so.
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Post by: jameslindsay on June 07, 2010, 09:35:17 am: Thanks Sheila, I have no intentions of moving anything or letting it cost me any money. These people need a dose of reality but are so tight in their perfect little bubbles, we had a good relationship before this happened - not now.
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Post by: WinslowPorker on June 07, 2010, 10:11:24 am: Just a though but if it is a caravan i assume it is mobile, which in my limited knowldge means you dont need planing as it is not a permanent structure??
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Post by: Sandy on June 07, 2010, 10:51:59 am: I am fumeing for you both!! I wonder why any busness looses the right to things? We also live in our B&B and would could have got grants for doing things to improve the house but due to us being a business we are not intiltelled to any!!! I lived in a terrace house that had a lane up to my back garden, there was a fence and a gate to my garden but I took it down so it was easier to park my VW in my garden, otherwise it was a tight squeeze, then, the house sold at the bottom of the garden and he put a fence up with a gate that would have been opening into my garden if I had not taken that fence panel down!! he then went mad at me for parking there!!!! I said but it is my garden, he went mad so as I was moving and he was up for sale I left it and parked up the lane more often than not!!!!! Anyway, I digress, if that caravan was mobile, I would keep moving it around and be less sensitive of where you put it!!!!(just to P them off!!)
Title: Re: Advice re Planning
Post by: egglady on June 07, 2010, 10:55:02 am: blooming heck James, what a pile of pooh! We are in the same position as you guys, our home/land is also our business and have been told that anything that isnt static (ie CAN be moved, even if it isnt) doesnt need planning permission. And given that we are only a few miles from you, surely we are dealing with the same council/planning dept!?!?!?

personally i wouldnt phone them at all. i'd take some photos and pop into their office in Cupar and discuss the situation with them face to face. i find it's always a better option than unpersonal phone calls. you never know you might end up speaking to someone who's had a meal at your place so they'll know the 'feel' of the place.

stay calm, no point in giving yourself a nervous breakdown on account of someone else's pettiness!
Title: Re: Advice re Planning
Post by: bazzais on June 07, 2010, 03:09:56 pm: Your problem is probably when/if you told them what your going to use it for.

You should have stated that it use was for extra room for house dwellers and their families to visit in holiday times.

fecking planners piss me off though - its unbelievable that it only takes one complaint to get them interested then they just spend their time making it a royal pain in the arse to progress with anything.

Is the land agricultural land or is it within the house boundary? If its within reasonable distance from your home you should not need planning to park/store a caravan or keep it for friends to stay in when they visit, provided its not connected to any mains in a permanent way.

If I were you I'd find my land title deeds incase your neighbours decide to try and register the land - if you dont have any, then find all your paperwork relating to the sale of the land to you and register it quick. I'd also leave it there for the minute, but only use it to store stuff in, I wouldnt risk putting animals in it yet whilst there maybe a visit from the planning dept.

The worst they can do is serve an enforcement notice to get it removed and it may take years to serve that - keep it there for now.

Ta

Baz
Title: Re: Advice re Planning
Post by: jameslindsay on June 07, 2010, 03:51:12 pm: Baz the land is at the back of the hotel so is therefore my back garden. The first acre paddock was used as a beer garden and sits along side the river bank. The other 3 acres is too far away from the "house" so I wouldn't be able to "keep an eye" on any animals housed so far away. If I get any hassles over it I will approach the press to do a story on the poor animals getting turfed out of their new home by the "nasty, uncaring" council!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hopefully it won't come to that.
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Post by: Hardfeather on June 07, 2010, 04:39:05 pm: Gotta be careful there. I remember a friend of mine had a good deal of bother over whether his animals were being kept too close to his food outlet. He was serving fast food from an annexe to his house and had pigs and goats over the fence. He ended up having to relocate the animals.
Title: Re: Advice re Planning
Post by: WinslowPorker on June 07, 2010, 05:00:41 pm: Hi james if memory serves me correct you are in Scotland so not sure on your planning laws, however in England you are allowed 75 cubic metres of development/extension under the 'Permitted Development' rule without the need for planning. so perhaps you can find a couple of sheets of rusty old corrugated fencing and make a real eyesore of the animal shelter, obviously you can make it nice inside for the animals though.

Like i said not sure on Permitted Development in Scotland but may be worth checking out ???
Title: Re: Advice re Planning
Post by: jameslindsay on June 07, 2010, 05:07:24 pm: Quote from: WinslowPorker on June 07, 2010, 05:00:41 pm
Hi james if memory serves me correct you are in Scotland so not sure on your planning laws, however in England you are allowed 75 cubic metres of development/extension under the 'Permitted Development' rule without the need for planning. so perhaps you can find a couple of sheets of rusty old corrugated fencing and make a real eyesore of the animal shelter, obviously you can make it nice inside for the animals though.

Like i said not sure on Permitted Development in Scotland but may be worth checking out ???

Cheers for that, yes I am in Fife, Scotland.
Title: Re: Advice re Planning
Post by: jameslindsay on June 07, 2010, 05:09:44 pm: There is not an issue about us keeping the animals and we have 100% backing from out Animal Welfare Officer about the care and attention our animals recieve. Who the hell would have neighbours???
Title: Re: Advice re Planning
Post by: Sandy on June 07, 2010, 05:10:28 pm: It's worth checking boundaries, our neighbours have a high wall dividing them and it turns out it is listed, and the wall was not included when the old pub was sold so the nearest relative lives in Australia and received a nice big surprise and a not so nice big bill!!
Umm, maybe I should take a close look are are deeds
Title: Re: Advice re Planning
Post by: Roxy on June 07, 2010, 06:17:56 pm: Re animals near food outlets. Its quite usual here, for pubs to have pets corners, with pigs, goats, lambs, hens etc. and all those pubs serve meals. Its not as though they are inside the buildings is it, so surely thats ok?

I had the neighbours from hell at my last place, and I vowed I would never again live next door to anyone. They made my life a misery, complaining to the council constantly about us. And the council admitted the neighbours did not have a valid complaint, but they still had to follow it up. In fact one of the council people suggested my neighbour was "unstable"!!!! So many people are in the same position as you, James. Its all fine, then suddenly an issue arises and things turn nasty.

I would do whatever it takes to get this sorted now. You want peace of mind, not years of legal battling. Do hope you get sorted, and peace is restored.
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Post by: Hardfeather on June 07, 2010, 08:06:06 pm: You're right Roxy...it shouldn't affect food service as long as the animals are kept outside. The trouble with my friend was brought about because his nearest neighbour (400 yards away) complained about the pigs. Although they were fed pellets and free-ranged, this neighbour suggested to the 'authorities' that they were being fed left overs from the food outlet.

Once these people in authority get wind of such possibilities, it is a real task to convince them otherwise. The thing went round the houses and involved planning, health issues, and trading standards :o My friend had done nothing wrong. All his pork was slaughtered correctly and butchered and packed accordingly, but his neighbour cast aspersion on all that too.

When all that was proved wrong, the neighbour tried to say the pigs were too close to human habitation and that he could smell them at his house when the wind blew that way. When the wind blew the other way he could smell the local sewage works, but that didn't seem to bother him.

The weird thing was, this man had been a good neighbour for years till my friend's mother died; then he started making trouble, yet there had been pigs there for years.

It doesn't matter to some people what the truth is as long as they can cause trouble for someone.
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Post by: Helencus on June 07, 2010, 09:56:57 pm: You have my every sympathy. My neighbours complained about my field shelter since we then had 2 years of the most stressful time too ing and fro ing with the council until we finally got change of use and permission for stables but along the way they took exception to my veg garden stating I could not grow veg in an agricultural field as I have raised beds and bark around them.. Too domestic ergo I'm trying to turn a field into a garden. Tbh I've showed them all my cph stuff and for now they've let this lie but they're back in a few weeks to check the stables so I guarantee they will raise it again.. Absolute bar stewards with nothing better to do than to lord it over lesser mortals.. You'd have less hassle if you tried to open a gypsy campsite trust me.. Try not to let it ruin your life though I know it took over ours for months and months with us getting stressed just at the sight of the neighbours.. They even called the council last week to complain about the works we are doing to permanently site the stables.. Seems they didn't look closely TD the approved plans and they thought the stables were going behind the trees near the river.. Got to laugh cause they wouldn't let us put them out of sight as we wanted we had to put them away from the river totally blocking the view of the people who complained sometimes there is a god ! Good luck and like I say don't let it take over else your blood pressure will suffer
Title: Re: Advice re Planning
Post by: Daveravey on June 07, 2010, 11:22:51 pm: Quote from: AengusOg on June 07, 2010, 08:06:06 pm

It doesn't matter to some people what the truth is, as long as they can cause trouble for someone.

Unfortunetly, this country has more than it's fair share of these :censored: folk
Title: Re: Advice re Planning
Post by: lumsden on June 14, 2010, 01:20:21 am: Do the complaints mentioned above refer to gardens being used for agricultural purposes (ie keeping pigs) or are these neighbours complaining about land that is legally defined as "agricultural"? I am new to all this and this particular discussion thread interests me as I am doing some research for an idea I have.
Title: Re: Advice re Planning
Post by: Helencus on June 14, 2010, 07:01:48 am: Hi Lumsden in my case the complaint from the planning enforcer is that a sectioned off area close to my house in an agricultural field is being used as a garden. I grow veg in it with animal fencing and raised beds but apparently that's too domestic!
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Post by: Jackie on June 14, 2010, 12:27:00 pm: Lumsden you can keep pigs in a domestic garden. Your neighbours may moan though.

A few people do it in central London apparently, quite successfully too.
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Post by: Roxy on June 14, 2010, 03:33:00 pm: There is a thing called domestic curtailage, which in simple terms means your garden. And that means what it says - garden. Not a bit extra that someone has fenced off from the field. Planners are strict on this. You have to put in for change of use to domestic, and in alot of cases its refused. Our neighbour across the field extended their house, then wanted extra land from our field as a garden area. Planning turned it down as it was definitely agricultural land. But I had given my brother a small plot of land behind his barn. This is on the understanding that it is kept as "field" ie. unmown, uncultivated, it cannot be used as a garden with plants and bushes etc.
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Post by: Helencus on June 14, 2010, 05:39:18 pm: I know this Roxy which is why it is unmown with no plants or bushes it is veg that is all with agricultural fencing as I also have stock in there.
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Post by: Helencus on June 14, 2010, 05:50:44 pm: Just read this and sorry sounded very abrupt of me totally unintended! The council by me see veg growing as domestic it's not even the raised beds they object to it's me actually even growing veg in a field which is madness to me.
Title: Re: Advice re Planning
Post by: Roxy on June 14, 2010, 05:55:07 pm: :D Surely veg is classed as agricultural, or horticultural, or something? You see allotments all over the place, so is that ok then? And some of the makeshift sheds, well, they must make the councils blood boil. But that all seems to be allowed. I cannot see why your veg isn;t.

Having said that, another neighbour had a small paddock. He has had to apply for change of use to domestic to put raised beds, and a greenhouse, as someone reported him to the council, and what he was doing was supposedly wrong.....even though it was the previous owner that had changed the use, not him.
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Post by: sabrina on June 14, 2010, 06:21:15 pm: A few years back the cottage at the bottom of our farm road was just used for holidays, the people who owned it came up about once a month and boy did they make our life a living hell. Tried to say they owned part of our farm road and started planting on the verge, wanted to buy land from us and when we would not sell then they did all sorts of horrible things, we could prove to them with our title deeds what we owned but he still refused to accept it and we were never allowed to see his deeds. In the end we got the police as he took one of our fences down. told me to my face that my cats would dissappear and things could happen to my horses, well you can threaten me till the cows come home but when it is my animals then I change from an easy going person to a raging thing that no one would want to meet on a dark night. He soon got the message and sold up and moved to Spain. We now have nice neighbours who enjoy country living.
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Post by: jameslindsay on June 14, 2010, 06:25:26 pm: Well done you, glad you finally got rid of the idiots. it is funny how it only takes one person to cause so much havoc.
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Post by: Helencus on June 14, 2010, 08:26:43 pm: I don't know Roxy who can say withcouncils. It's gone quiet so I'm hoping they'll give up if not I'll remove the beds and hope that will do it.
Title: Re: Advice re Planning
Post by: Helencus on June 14, 2010, 08:28:13 pm: Have you heard any more James?
Title: Re: Advice re Planning
Post by: jameslindsay on June 14, 2010, 09:30:54 pm: Quote from: Helencus on June 14, 2010, 08:28:13 pm
Have you heard any more James?

Haven't heard a peep yet thanks. We did have one of our local Councillors in yesterday for dinner and I pounced in him and he gave me the number of the man responsible for Enforcements. I decided not to contact him at this stage as it only reminds him of us and our lack of planning, so I will sit and wait and let the Council take the next step. The Councillor did say that this man would know exactly what the rules were and that the guy that came out a few weeks ago may interpret the law a different way - so there may be hope. The Councillor was also in our favour!!!!
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Post by: Dangermouse on June 15, 2010, 06:44:28 am: Thats a bit of a result .......nice
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Post by: Helencus on June 15, 2010, 08:00:22 am: Fingers crossed then James
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Post by: hexhammeasure on June 15, 2010, 10:43:46 am: Helencus. Do you grow enough veg to feed to your animals? that way the beds stop being domestic and resort to being agricultural in use
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Post by: Helencus on June 15, 2010, 11:13:48 am: Hi hexhammeasure I grow a fair amount I can certainly argue that it's for animal feed
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Post by: egglady on June 17, 2010, 03:53:59 pm: Quote from: jameslindsay on June 14, 2010, 06:25:26 pm
Well done you, glad you finally got rid of the idiots. it is funny how it only takes one person to cause so much havoc.

aye, that'll be about right...have oyu met my husband?!?!?!?!?!?
Title: Re: Advice re Planning
Post by: jameslindsay on June 25, 2010, 12:24:54 pm: We have just had a visit form Enviromental Services, Fife council as our only 2 neighbours have complained about the caravan and the smell from the animals. I won't bore you with everything but needless to say - we won - CASE CLOSED!!!! Ofcourse it is up to Planning as to whether they make us move the caravan or not but enviromental services see no problem and definately no smell!! :farmer:
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Post by: WinslowPorker on June 25, 2010, 12:29:26 pm: Nice one James, wht a good start to the weekend!! better have a cider or 2 with your pork chops!
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Post by: Helencus on June 25, 2010, 06:33:51 pm: Bloody brilliant James really pleased for you!
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Post by: doganjo on June 26, 2010, 12:07:08 am: Fantastic, James. Make sure they are told - interfering busybodies!
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Post by: egglady on June 26, 2010, 07:11:00 pm: grand lads, all the work was worth while then.
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Post by: Roxy on June 27, 2010, 12:36:01 am: Good to hear the case is closed.....hopefully these neighbours will leave you alone now.
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Post by: Sandy on June 28, 2010, 06:36:18 am: THank goodness for that!!!!! People like that deserve neighbours from hell, shame your both far too nice to qualify!!!
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Post by: jameslindsay on August 12, 2010, 08:39:46 am: Last week we received a letter from the council informing us that as we had not applied for planning permission we were breaking such and such rules! We phoned the planning officer and had a really good chat to him and he told us the only complaints our 2 neighbours could make were on the grounds of their view and that that counts for nothing in planning applications. So, last week we officially applied for planning permission to keep our caravan which is storage for hay/straw and feed. Watch this space.
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Post by: Sylvia on August 12, 2010, 09:46:18 am: Surely when you buy a house you don't buy a view. Your neighbours can only complain that your mobile home is blocking their light which doesn't seem to be the case!
I just pretend my neighbour doesn't exist and hopefully she will think the same of me!! ;D
Title: Re: Advice re Planning
Post by: jameslindsay on August 12, 2010, 09:53:50 am: The 2 houses that have created holy hell over the caravan can't even see the bloody thing. For a start the caravan is way below their horizon plus it is almost totally screened from the top by tree branches. If we wanted to play tit for tat we could easily cut these trees down and make the thing an eye sore for them. :yum: :yum:
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Post by: Sylvia on August 12, 2010, 10:07:26 am: So you could! I just keep more cockerels plus Guinea Fowl. I am now condsidering Peacocks ;D ;D
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Post by: Roxy on August 12, 2010, 01:17:25 pm: Having had trouble with neighbours in the past, I now realise it was not just us, whose lives were made a misery - seems bad neighbour relations is quite common. My neighbours complained to the council all the time about us and our animals, and all sorts of things. The council in the end said the complainant definitely had a problem - and it wasn't anything to do with us. They even sent the gas people round, as they said they could smell gas from our Rayburn???? Man tested the gas, and said he could find nothing amiss on his gas tester, and could not smell anything. We had to rebuild our garden wall, that supposedly was about to fall on the neighbour, who was 20ft on the other side of the fence, replace roof slates, which the builder could not see were even off, etc. etc.

Some people have nothing better to do than complain. I wonder what they would do, if the same happened to them though.
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Post by: doganjo on August 12, 2010, 01:30:41 pm: Quote from: jameslindsay on August 12, 2010, 09:53:50 am
The 2 houses that have created holy hell over the caravan can't even see the bloody thing. For a start the caravan is way below their horizon plus it is almost totally screened from the top by tree branches. If we wanted to play tit for tat we could easily cut these trees down and make the thing an eye sore for them. :yum: :yum:
A friend told me the other day they had seen a for sale sign near your hotel, James. You aren't giving up I hope
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Post by: jameslindsay on August 12, 2010, 01:40:28 pm: Quote from: doganjo on August 12, 2010, 01:30:41 pm
Quote from: jameslindsay on August 12, 2010, 09:53:50 am
The 2 houses that have created holy hell over the caravan can't even see the bloody thing. For a start the caravan is way below their horizon plus it is almost totally screened from the top by tree branches. If we wanted to play tit for tat we could easily cut these trees down and make the thing an eye sore for them. :yum: :yum:
A friend told me the other day they had seen a for sale sign near your hotel, James. You aren't giving up I hope

There is Seggie House up the road from here for sale but not us! Seggie is a bargain I think it is now £1.6 million - 2 years ago they wanted almost 34 million for it.
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Post by: dizzy1pig on August 12, 2010, 01:50:38 pm: How about another cockeral??????
neighbours love them.............. ;D ;D
or i got 3 guinea fowl keets.......
a shot of a couple highland cows???
All could easily be arranged
Oh yes and the daft parrot that thinks he's an alarm :wave: :wave: :wave:
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Post by: jameslindsay on August 12, 2010, 01:54:24 pm: Quote from: dizzy1pig on August 12, 2010, 01:50:38 pm
How about another cockeral??????
neighbours love them.............. ;D ;D
or i got 3 guinea fowl keets.......
a shot of a couple highland cows???
All could easily be arranged
Oh yes and the daft parrot that thinks he's an alarm :wave: :wave: :wave:

Don't you go giving me daft ideas now Nicki. :P ;) I e mailed you re the Silkies. :)
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Post by: doganjo on August 12, 2010, 02:23:38 pm: There is Seggie House up the road from here for sale but not us! Seggie is a bargain I think it is now £1.6 million - 2 years ago they wanted almost 34 million for it.
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What's a Seggie house?
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Post by: jameslindsay on August 12, 2010, 02:34:38 pm: Quote from: doganjo on August 12, 2010, 02:23:38 pm

There is Seggie House up the road from here for sale but not us! Seggie is a bargain I think it is now £1.6 million - 2 years ago they wanted almost 34 million for it.
What's a Seggie house?
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It's simply the name of the house. Googlie it if you want a view, the sellers are Savilles and it is beautiful. However, it is sold with most of the furniture and antiques and does need a fair bit of money spent on it. It was "sold" as a private school but I think planning permission was refused so they pulled out and now it's back on the market.
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Post by: jameslindsay on August 19, 2010, 03:52:34 pm: 2 weeks ago today I lodged my planning application form with the council and today they send me a letter saying I have not included certain things. It takes 2 weeks for this???? One form was not included with the forms they gave me so how the heck was I supposed to know I needed it and the other was ordnance survey maps. The maps I oncluded were dated 2005 and apparantly the law has changed and they can only accept up to date maps> :-\ ??? Anyway, they tell me how to obtain these maps on line and I am now £62.28 the worse off. What a damned racket this is and what a disgraceful country we live in. :o >:(
Title: Re: Advice re Planning
Post by: Sandy on August 19, 2010, 03:56:46 pm: When you deal with the authoritis in any county, city etc, you feel like you are playing a game, you have to have a lot of knowledge first and say and do the correct t hings, o ne word or form out of place and they do a blank on you....We hope to submit some plans soon so goodness knows what we will face......I found it very strange when we lived in a conservation area before and the people who were loaded seemed to just do what they want!!! People in power aye???