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Livestock => Pigs => Topic started by: Paul and Caroline on August 05, 2016, 09:18:01 am
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Hi
Typical newbie question here.
We have four weaners which we are fattening up for the freezer. 2 boars and 2 gilts from the same litter. They are Saddlebacks crosses and just over -9 weeks old. Both boars are entire.
When we did our research it seemed that we didn't need to worry about 'hanky-panky'' as they (the boars) would be away at about 6 months. However the bigger of the boars is now displaying and has been trying to mount his brother (so far) although when he sniffs around the girls they give him short shrift.
Are we wrong in believing that the gilts won't mature for another couple of months? They are all living in a big paddock outdoors however We only have the one ark as we weren't anticipating a need to separate them. The boars are about 65kg and I was hoping to take them to 75/80kg before slaughter. If We are not separating them do we need to bite the bullet and take the boars to the abbatoir now......? Hope this isn't a silly question
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I'll leave others to respond to the fertility question, but in terms of behaviour that play mounting always takes place even when it is just boars together, it is at least at first no more than playing. They can mount so they do, often not much else for entertainment in a pig pen!
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Can you just clarify their ages, you say 9 weeks old now, but the boars are 65kg?
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Hi
Sorry that was a typo - they are 19 weeks (just over)
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When I had boars only they also did the mounting thing. I was also told that if gone by 6 months old not a problem, but not experienced enough to say with confidence.
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Fast growing gilts can be sexually mature by 5mth's . Next time i'm sure you'll buy 4 of the same sex :thumbsup:
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Mounting can also be dominance behaviour. What breed are they? Native breeds are generally slower to come to maturity than modern/commercials. That said, I always separate my boars from gilts at 13 weeks maximum and would aim to take the boars to slaughter at 22 weeks and the gilts at 24.
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We run mix boar/gilt groups of weaners and get them away around 6-7 months and have never had a problem over the last five years - doesn't mean it can't happen but I've never seen it!
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Lots of people run mixed groups of finishers. It does happen but generally the gilts will be away before they show in pig.
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I've got a different view I'm afraid. I most certainly would NOT be running them together now and neither would I wish to sent a gilt to slaughter that may be in pig. I know it happens but its not for me. A friend I know very well had a mixed group running together and 4 gilts caught and farrowed far too young (he didn't send them to slaughter when he suspected what had happened). If my memory is correct they were little over 7 months when they farrowed .. and the inbreeding has resulted in a few deformities in the pigs as they are maturing.
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[member=4128]benkt[/member] because you have rare breeds which are slower maturing you may well be ok but as to not having seen a problem, I was wondering whether the abbatior would tell you if there was any embryos- do you have that info from them? I am not critical, just curious. We are about to get our first breeding sows and while I intend to segregate by 4 months any that don't go as weaners, on a small plot there is always going to be occasions when running them on together longer may be convenient.....
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I've got a different view I'm afraid. I most certainly would NOT be running them together now and neither would I wish to sent a gilt to slaughter that may be in pig. I know it happens but its not for me. A friend I know very well had a mixed group running together and 4 gilts caught and farrowed far too young (he didn't send them to slaughter when he suspected what had happened). If my memory is correct they were little over 7 months when they farrowed .. and the inbreeding has resulted in a few deformities in the pigs as they are maturing.
To farrow down at that age they were all sexually mature at 3 months. What breed were they?
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I've got a different view I'm afraid. I most certainly would NOT be running them together now and neither would I wish to sent a gilt to slaughter that may be in pig. I know it happens but its not for me. A friend I know very well had a mixed group running together and 4 gilts caught and farrowed far too young (he didn't send them to slaughter when he suspected what had happened). If my memory is correct they were little over 7 months when they farrowed .. and the inbreeding has resulted in a few deformities in the pigs as they are maturing.
To farrow down at that age they were all sexually mature at 3 months. What breed were they?
They are Oxford Sandy and Black
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I've got a different view I'm afraid. I most certainly would NOT be running them together now and neither would I wish to sent a gilt to slaughter that may be in pig. I know it happens but its not for me. A friend I know very well had a mixed group running together and 4 gilts caught and farrowed far too young (he didn't send them to slaughter when he suspected what had happened). If my memory is correct they were little over 7 months when they farrowed .. and the inbreeding has resulted in a few deformities in the pigs as they are maturing.
To farrow down at that age they were all sexually mature at 3 months. What breed were they?
They are Oxford Sandy and Black
Well, you do surprise me as OSAB tend to mature more slowly than other traditional breeds, so he must have had an extremely prolific strain of both boar and gilt.
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@pharnoth: really good question, I'd assumed they would mention it, but a quick google doesn't pull up anything obvious on whether there is a requirement that they do so. I'll ask my place next time I go.
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We've always kept litters together until they go for slaughter. It's quite possible some of our gilts have been served by their brothers before they went. It's never been an issue at the abattoir or caused any problems in any way. I always try to send the gilts off first but due to the nature of pigs and trailers it doesn't always work out like that. Remember pigs don't have the Victorian moral code that we humans seem to be lumbered with.
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We tend to split at weaning age. We have had gilts served by a boar accidentally, he was put with the girls because he was a runt compared to the other boys and was getting a bit bullied. Of course we took our eye off the ball and he served 2 out of 6 successfully, so we kept them and they've just farrowed
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We tend to split at weaning age. We have had gilts served by a boar accidentally, he was put with the girls because he was a runt compared to the other boys and was getting a bit bullied. Of course we took our eye off the ball and he served 2 out of 6 successfully, so we kept them and they've just farrowed
... and what age were they when they farrowed and which breed?
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Commercials are often put to the boar at 8 months. I leave my GOS until a year old, so they're well grown and not trying to grow piglets inside them at the same time as still growing themselves. However, as I understand it, most commercials average 2.3 litters before going to cull and mine manage 10 or more.... The maths just doesn't add up for me but no doubt there's an accountant somewhere that can put me right on why the commercial route makes commercial sense.
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One of the reasons commercial sows manage less than 3 litters is because hybrids are too lean. They can't maintain litters and themselves for any longer.