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Livestock => Sheep => Topic started by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on June 12, 2016, 11:27:20 am
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I know it's not a lot but it's a start
Any suggestions
Something viable
Thinking of small pedigree flock
Thanks
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I have that amount of land split into 2 fields and have 6 sheep. 3 Ryelands and 3 Coloured Ryelands.
We divide each field again with electric fencing and rotate them round.
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Intensive high-end vegetables?
Large scale egg production?
Free range meat birds - chickens, ducks, geese, quail?
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I thought about poultry free range eggs
I here there's a lot of legislation surrounding it
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P.s I'm thinking same bionic a few breeding ewes
And rotating
Thanks for the advice
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For free range eggs, over 50 birds and you become subject to the regulations. I don't know what they are, but should be easy to find or someone will come up with them. You would certainly need more than 50 birds to make a profit, and you would have to go down the route of providing artificial light to keep them laying year-round.
I don't know if the 50+ rule is the same for quail, but although their eggs are tiny they do seem to sell well to the restaurant and delicatessen market.
When you say 'has to be viable', do you mean you want to make a good profit, or that the venture has to at minimum support itself?
Apart from major, one-off outlays, our venture now supports itself, but certainly is not providing any income. We keep laying hens and a breeding flock of Hebrideans. It seems to make little difference how many sheep we keep, the outlays always seem to match the income, but we do make our own hay so only pay for coarse mix for the winter, plus meds etc.
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Intensive high-end vegetables?
Large scale egg production?
Free range meat birds - chickens, ducks, geese, quail?
Oh yes, we do large scale egg production too. We have 7 hens :-)
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I know there isn't a tonne of profit to be made but I dealt something that will help what we do grow over time
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Intensive high-end vegetables?
Large scale egg production?
Free range meat birds - chickens, ducks, geese, quail?
Oh yes, we do large scale egg production too. We have 7 hens :-)
Only 7 ? WE have 8 :hohoho:....left after the fox got the rest
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Up to 350 hens and selling direct to the end consumer, you miss most of the regs. I'm sure there's another thread on here with the regs. I shoudl really put them in an article.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/eggs-trade-regulations (https://www.gov.uk/guidance/eggs-trade-regulations)
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It can help if what you do is unusual - we sell boxes of mixed green, blue, white, tinted and brown eggs with an occasional turkey egg too, from the farmgate. We sell surplus fruit and vegetables, luxury ones like strawberries and gages rather than onions and potatoes. We've built up a reputation for good quality GOS weaners and pedigree Southdown ewe lambs and offer follow up advice if wanted, and so on .....
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Not sure your idea of a small pedigree sheep flock would be 'viable' but I guess that depends on your definition of viable.
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re the pedigree sheep idea; the breeds that command high prices are the commercial breeds and then only the best of them. With only two acres, you are very restricted in the number of ewes you can run; with a small number of lambs, you are less likely to get the best quality in the numbers needed to make it profitable. Plus a lot of these breeds appear to me to be closed shops - you would need to be breeding, showing and winning for a number of years before you command the best prices.
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Thank you all for your input
And advice we are novices a bit part of it is we would eventually like to show with the odd couple going to the freezer
In reading we want something that is docile easy to handle
And if we can break even and cover soars each year then we would be happy
I started off with six chickens and and now have near on 50 including rare breeds, meat birds and multi coloured egg layers, with feed costs being covered with egg sales
So I know that I won't stop at just 4 but it's about been out doors with the kids and the quality of life
I'm in no doubt that there will
Be good and bad times but I'm ready for that
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Don't do sheep on 2 acres if you want it to be viable, you can make more money with that space doing other things - poultry, pigs, fruit/veg etc.
If you want to show and breed, then I'd do pigs :).
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not allowed pigs on the land
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How about dairy goats? Or dairy sheep, come to that! Very niche market...
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i wouldnt know where to start and dont have the facilities
we basically have a field
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i also have to admit and i am probably on the dark side with this but i have always fancied a couple of dexter cows
but feel 2 acres just isnt enough
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Two stirks, from weaning to 18 months, might just work depending on location, climate, grass quality.
Two cows implies 2 calves as well ;)
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would we need sheds for over winter?
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would we need sheds for over winter?
For a couple of Dexter bullocks? Well, they're hardy, but it'll depend on the ground. If it gets wet and isn't well-drained, 2 beasts will turn it into a quagmire over winter.
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One point about 'free range' eggs. My wife, who is a chef, tells me that her suppliers have to sign a declaration, stating how their produce is sourced. In the case of eggs, that would presumably include what the birds are fed on.
If your birds are 'free range' you cannot say exactly what they have eaten, could be plants and insects with insecticide on them for all you know. You cannot be 100% sure, so will you sign ?
I understand these rules apply for all foodstuffs supplied to the catering industry, and they cannot accept goods not accompanied with such certification.
Not trying to put anyone off, but I would advise a little caution, and a thorough investigation of the rules before you proceed.
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I'm near you and if you wish to come view a profitable flock of sheep in Leeds by all means get in touch.
To be honest and frank, 10 sheep is the same work as 100, and I would say I'd be shocked if you broke even with any less than 50, as you will have vet call out fees, fixed overheads etc spread over 10 sheep, or 50, those costs are roughly fixed>.
Furthermore, if you factor your time in, you will find that with 100 sheep, you would be lucky to earn £2 an hour really. Double that to 200 and your almost quadrupling your income as the first 80 or so really exist to pay your fixed time and travel / regulatory costs.
I would say veg, fruit and breeding stock production is the way to go - Breed Top quality Texel sheep and breed for easy lambing, you should be able to get 1-3 good tups on 2 acres, to sell a year at £1+ if you invest good money to start with. You'll also have 5-7 rejects to eat or sell for £70 in market.
Good easy lambing texels with a good body are in high demand - Otley, Skipton etc you see them regularly fetching £1k if theire good, bad ones usually closer to 200.
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what about wethers? maybe you could buy some of [member=10673]SallyintNorth[/member] wool sheep and start your own wool flock? ;)