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Title: ******* estate agents!
Post by: farmershort on May 10, 2016, 10:07:56 am
rant time... my apologies...

so we're 6 weeks into our smallholding purchase, and at the same time, nowhere! We offered, had a valuation, and had our mortgage fully approved within 7 working days.... It took 4 weeks to get the bill of sale out of the estate agents, and then it was wrong! We'd made a concession on the freehold of a  very short driveway entrance section for reasons which I can't disclose here. Quite nice of us I think, and made the negotiation easier... This was on the condition that the agents obtain a written planning decision for us on the installation of a 2nd dedicated driveway. In fact the whole driveway-haggle was dreamt up by the estate agent, and it's caused the biggest issue so far. Eventually we settled on a misunderstanding, and the agents are submitted a planning application for us as long as we pay £170... fine. The "misunderstanding" was based on the agent thinking that (after me chasing him) saying "oh yeah, I asked the planner what he thought and he didn't think there'd be a problem" would constitute enough assurance for us to give up a bit of freehold!

then we come to the other condition of sale. We asked during the 2nd viewing that the hedge-less and fence-less boundaries with the village gardens by marked clearly with stake and string to clarify the vacant possesion point. no mention of it in the bill of sale, then a process of ignoring our email questions about it, then a total denial that it was ever discussed this morning!!! argh! I wont go into too much detail for legal reasons but basically there might be an element of "overspill" from one or two of these properties. It just needs outlining properly before we move in.

I just want the estate agents totally out of the picture and for the solicitors to get on with it. Sadly the vendor herself is very old and in a home, and the family members acting on her behalf can only go so far. We have been told this morning that the vendors solicitors now have clear instructions to proceed from the vendor...... I'm totally sympathetic to that delay as it must be a horrible time for the family, but the surrounding estate agent nonesense means I'm furious nonetheless.

I honestly get the impression that this bloke thinks we're either commoner scum, or else incomer scum.

I know it's renowned for being a stressful process, but I would have imagined that the partner of the branch with a bunch of letters after his name could at least find the time to write a sodding email with less a weeks' notice.

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Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: waterbuffalofarmer on May 10, 2016, 10:16:52 am
I am so sorry to hear about this, please feel free to rant away we all need to vent stuff it is bad to keep it all bottled up. I just wish I could help in someway, if you want to talk then feel free to talk to me; I could do with some distraction away from this burning throat and chest anyway ;D Sending hugs to you both and I hope you get it all sorted soon! :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: farmershort on May 10, 2016, 10:23:54 am
Thanks WBF.

I'm fully aware this is a very 1st-world-problem though, so I'm trying not to let it take over life too much... with varying degrees of sucess.
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: Bionic on May 10, 2016, 10:28:31 am
I sympathise. I could add a whole list of things to your rant but it won't be helpful.

Of course some estate agents are better than others (surely that's the case) but I haven't met them yet.

The whole job of an estate agent is to make us feel greatly relieved when we eventually get into our properties and can forget about them.
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: farmershort on May 10, 2016, 10:33:17 am
Thanks Bionic - yes it seems that's the way they're heading... I can certainly say that we wont be using that estate agency in the future, so they do themselves no favours really.

Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: suziequeue on May 10, 2016, 11:45:38 am
Sorry farmershort...... you mentioned "incomer scum"..... where are you moving into??


If it is as an English person moving to Wales then I have to say that your story sounds about on par of the standard of Estate Agency meted out to English people buying or selling property in Wales.They REALLY don't want us there.......
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: farmershort on May 10, 2016, 11:51:33 am
Sorry farmershort...... you mentioned "incomer scum"..... where are you moving into??


If it is as an English person moving to Wales then I have to say that your story sounds about on par of the standard of Estate Agency meted out to English people buying or selling property in Wales.They REALLY don't want us there.......

nothing so controversial as moving to Wales! just Devon!

My other half is Welsh (1st/2nd language depending on when you ask her), so I suspect moving to Wales might be easier!
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: devonlady on May 10, 2016, 01:14:54 pm
'ere us don't want no bleddy old incomers down 'ere neither!
(just joking!) where in Devon are you moving to? Good luck with actually moving in.
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: farmershort on May 10, 2016, 01:33:25 pm
'ere us don't want no bleddy old incomers down 'ere neither!
(just joking!) where in Devon are you moving to? Good luck with actually moving in.

thanks, and replied to your question via pm... I don't like posting too much info all in one thread. :)
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: Backinwellies on May 10, 2016, 02:37:52 pm
Sorry farmershort...... you mentioned "incomer scum"..... where are you moving into??


If it is as an English person moving to Wales then I have to say that your story sounds about on par of the standard of Estate Agency meted out to English people buying or selling property in Wales.They REALLY don't want us there.......

I have to disagree with this .... whilst there are some Welsh and some areas of Wales where this is true ... we moved to Wales 3 years ago and have met nothing but friendly welcoming people ...  the Estate agent included! 

I am learning Welsh and have sheep and cattle so speak the local language in more ways than one!   
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: waterbuffalofarmer on May 10, 2016, 04:09:08 pm
Sorry farmershort...... you mentioned "incomer scum"..... where are you moving into??


If it is as an English person moving to Wales then I have to say that your story sounds about on par of the standard of Estate Agency meted out to English people buying or selling property in Wales.They REALLY don't want us there.......

I have to disagree with this .... whilst there are some Welsh and some areas of Wales where this is true ... we moved to Wales 3 years ago and have met nothing but friendly welcoming people ...  the Estate agent included! 

I am learning Welsh and have sheep and cattle so speak the local language in more ways than one!   
Completely agree with you there [member=26580]Backinwellies[/member]  it does like you say depend whereabouts. Sometimes people are a little suspicious of newcomers, our village gossiped viciously about us because we never wanted to really be part of the community, although it has taken a long time they seem to tolerate us. I hate to say this but most of them where old people which are not around any longer, sad though end of a long gone era. It isnt just certain places which people cant accept you it is generally all over the world; people dont like change and they feel threatened if you come into their culture and stand out.
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: Backinwellies on May 10, 2016, 04:18:43 pm
 

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 and they feel threatened if you come into their culture and stand out.
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Yes and so they should .... don't stand out join in ........  make yourself part of that community ... to be honest why move to a lovely rural community and not be part of it.
 We have been here 3 years as so far have done 2 pantos, been choir in 2 musicals, run fund raising events, helped car parking at various events, baked cakes, mended chairs, attended local funerals, visited the sick and lonely etc  .... and yes we do run 30 acre small holding and both work to earn money to keep it too.


opps sorry just realised I've side swiped the tread  :bouquet:
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: farmershort on May 10, 2016, 04:22:04 pm
my not-quite inlaws are welsh - western end of the beacons.... and not even they would approve of me moving to Wales, so I know which side of the "are the welsh anti-english" debate I'm on!

:)

anyway, this is about whether or not Devonian land agents are anti-berkshirians :)
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: Ghdp on May 10, 2016, 07:38:45 pm
To continue the diversion from your original post for a moment - I am  so with BiW on the welcome in Wales front - but just an observation( or two) on your original points.
Estate agents are the agents of the seller and if fobbing you off with vague reassurances about what the planner might say had worked then really he was doing nothing wrong. I am sure now the solicitors have hold of it all the issues you want addressing will not be ignored and wish you the very best of luck. We had several wrangles before we settled on where we are now and it is still recent enough to recall the stress - vividly.
My other observation, if I may, is this; any down playing issues of 'overspill' by a neighbour is a completely different thing. The vendor must disclose any disputes if you ask about them.  Issues of wandering boundaries can be a nightmare and I think you are absolutely right to want a physical mark on the land so you know what is what.
Fingers crossed for a speedy resolution.  :fc:
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: waterbuffalofarmer on May 10, 2016, 07:38:55 pm


and they feel threatened if you come into their culture and stand out.
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Yes and so they should .... don't stand out join in ........  make yourself part of that community ... to be honest why move to a lovely rural community and not be part of it.
 We have been here 3 years as so far have done 2 pantos, been choir in 2 musicals, run fund raising events, helped car parking at various events, baked cakes, mended chairs, attended local funerals, visited the sick and lonely etc  .... and yes we do run 30 acre small holding and both work to earn money to keep it too.


opps sorry just realised I've side swiped the tread  :bouquet:
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the reason I couldnt join into the community was because they didnt want me, in fact they actually prevented it, so I just minded my own business. They have sort of accepted me and my family but it was upsetting having people sneering at us for being different. [member=26580]Backinwellies[/member] if people feel threatened with change I cant help that, they didnt want me in the first place and am afraid that I am no trying to get everyone to like me if they really hate me for being different. I did try and make friends but they just viciously gossiped about me so I thought enough is enough. I just mind my own business, farm, visit friends the people who I have a lot in common with and who appreciate me for who I am :)
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: Brandi on May 11, 2016, 09:56:40 pm
Thank you BiW, your response is very heartening. Carry on contributing to your community, it will be greatly appreciated.

in relation to some of the other clearly discriminatory comments on here. they only reflect the arrogant, condescending attitudes that have strived unsuccessfully to extinguish our way of life and language over the centuries. so much for enlightenment and valuing diversity
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: farmershort on May 12, 2016, 10:31:19 am
Thank you BiW, your response is very heartening. Carry on contributing to your community, it will be greatly appreciated.

in relation to some of the other clearly discriminatory comments on here. they only reflect the arrogant, condescending attitudes that have strived unsuccessfully to extinguish our way of life and language over the centuries. so much for enlightenment and valuing diversity

That all sounds rather personal and inflamatory Brandi.... are you defending the estate agents? lol!

I suspect you've percieved some xenophobic tones in some of the posts, but there's been nothing as dramatic or potentially offending so far until this post from you. Please try and keep the tone sensible.
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: farmershort on May 25, 2016, 10:53:52 am
UPDATE:

I'm going to commission a 15ft high wickerman of an estate agent, and set fire to it on the day we finally move in!!!!!!!!

Today is 8 weeks since offer. Our solicitors *STILL* don't have the contract pack, but apparently the seller has finally sent the forms back to their solicitors.

This whole process (and the estate agency industry) is so daft!
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: farmershort on May 27, 2016, 05:06:50 pm
8.5 weeks in... still nothing with our solicitors.

Had a good chat with them today detailing all the concerns to date, and they too agree that it sound fishy.

I've spoken with the ombudsman people (one of 3 organisations) today, and they've advised that they have to wait 8 weeks from either the official complaint, or from mention of the ombudsman. That was 2 weeks ago for us.

The planning angle has now come back and said that it will be an 8 week delay - which is not what the agent said (and it's a condition of sale). We've gone back to them and said that we want to buy it as advertised, or not at all.

gaaaaahhhhh, I hate them so much! I have this sinking feeling that it's going to fall through.
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: waterbuffalofarmer on May 27, 2016, 10:18:15 pm
I am so sorry to hear about this, am sure all will turn out well and we're all here for you :hug:
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: Mickey on May 28, 2016, 01:48:40 pm
My experience of estate agents is that they want the sale to go through otherwise they aren't getting paid. However they are working to the instructions of the seller, any delays I would suspect the seller to be the problem. 
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: farmershort on May 28, 2016, 04:59:19 pm
My experience of estate agents is that they want the sale to go through otherwise they aren't getting paid. However they are working to the instructions of the seller, any delays I would suspect the seller to be the problem.

And normally I'd agree with that statement, but there's something really off about this bloke. I find it very difficult to read him, and that sets the alarm bells ringing in itself. He seems arrogant and snobbish and seems to deliberately hide information.

I can't fully explain it, but perhaps you'll take me at my word when I say something just isn't right there...

We demanded that the case be handed over to a sale progressor last week, and that did happen, but we recently found out that the sales progressor had been going to this original agent for comms with the seller.

We've now said that the original agent is to have nothing to do with this sale whatsoever, and no contact with either party.

They may act for the sellers, but it's our money that they want.
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: Buttermilk on May 29, 2016, 07:20:58 am
We had really good estate agents but it was the solicitors that dragged things out.
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: waterbuffalofarmer on May 29, 2016, 08:49:07 am
We had really good estate agents but it was the solicitors that dragged things out.
There was a joke about this..... A bad solicitor will make a case go on for a few months, a good solicitor will make it go on for a few years ;D
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: farmershort on June 02, 2016, 04:35:41 pm
so.... yesterday marked the '9 weeks since offer' point..... still no paperwork with out solicitors!?!!

We had a call from them this afternoon to say that they recieved the fixtures & fittings list but not the contract pack.....

I finally managed to speak to the vendors solicitors directly, and he made some not very promising noises about chasing it up.

I think I'm going to lose my marbles before this is done...

We also wrote a letter to the sellers on tuesday which was emailed to them via the solicitors.... no response through the solicitors or the estate agents. How is it that someone can be selling a property, but not actually selling it....
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: Bionic on June 02, 2016, 04:40:14 pm


We also wrote a letter to the sellers on tuesday which was emailed to them via the solicitors.... no response through the solicitors or the estate agents. How is it that someone can be selling a property, but not actually selling it....


I know someone who is actually doing this. (Not to the property you are after) They have separated from their partner who wants the property sold and despite having people wanting to buy thy keep coming up with reasons why they can't sell to them.
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: waterbuffalofarmer on June 02, 2016, 04:50:08 pm
Personally, and I am sorry to say this, maybe you should try looking for another property if you don't get any further with this? Because it seems that they're being very unreasonable, have you paid anything towards the property at all yet?  Here we are if nothing comes of this one which I hope you do win with all my heart :hug:
http://www.uklandandfarms.co.uk/South-West-property.aspx (http://www.uklandandfarms.co.uk/South-West-property.aspx)
http://www.foxgrant.com/properties/smallholdings/ (http://www.foxgrant.com/properties/smallholdings/)
You could always move to ceredigion? :innocent:
http://www.thesmallholdingcentre.co.uk/ (http://www.thesmallholdingcentre.co.uk/)
It is lovely this time of the year :)
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: farmershort on June 02, 2016, 05:04:41 pm
Thanks for the responses, and yes wbf we have started to look again... have all the old email alerts etc. Don't expect much to come up during the summer though... small holders are busy and the prices are dropping a little ahead of the EU thingy.

I imagine that a few more will start appearing after the summer.

Would rather it didn't come to that though.
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: waterbuffalofarmer on June 02, 2016, 05:41:21 pm
Thanks for the responses, and yes wbf we have started to look again... have all the old email alerts etc. Don't expect much to come up during the summer though... small holders are busy and the prices are dropping a little ahead of the EU thingy.

I imagine that a few more will start appearing after the summer.

Would rather it didn't come to that though.
indeed not, I hope that you can get this sorted out though I know how fustrating it can be I am sure that whatever happens will be for the best though. Keep smiling :hug:
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: Lesley Silvester on June 03, 2016, 11:25:08 pm
Have you tried saying, in writing, that unless contracts are exchanged by ....(date).... you will withdraw your offer. Give them something like 14 days and I'll bet that everything will be sorted.
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: farmershort on June 08, 2016, 01:54:01 pm
Have you tried saying, in writing, that unless contracts are exchanged by ....(date).... you will withdraw your offer. Give them something like 14 days and I'll bet that everything will be sorted.

We'd done all the standard stuff, had an interesting last week though:

The estate agent Lady who's now handling our case (or at least the one we speak with), was on holiday for most of last last week - only returning on friday.

Having issued the nuclear option of "we're buying it as advertised or not at all" the previous friday, it seems the vendors came back with a counter-offer whilst our designated estate agent was away. Apparently the whole office was aware of this fact, yet nobody thought to tell us!

The counter off was more complexity again, so we issued a bit of a "sod off" type response.

This all happened early on on friday, and we were pretty much of the opinion that it would fall through at that stage. To our amazement, the estate agent lady pulled it back from the brink, and we were all agree by friday evening.

The original estate agent idiot was also on holiday during this time - which was great -but he returned to work this week.... and boy didn't we know about it!

All of a sudden, the quite helpful estate agent lady started to sound a lot like him again! Anyway, by 4:40pm on monday, 9 weeks from offer accepted (to the hour!!), we finally had a memorandum of sale from them that we were all happy with.

Our solicitors have submitted the searches, and sent enquiries based on the little bit of paperwork they've recieved. The vendors solicitors are apparently still waiting on the title deeds!!! End of this week apparently!

We've told them that we are to exchange no later than June 28th..... lets see!

We're also engaging in a bit of a "wall of noise" operation with the original estate agent idiot... probably won't yield much, but should reduce his capacity for meddling.
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: pharnorth on June 11, 2016, 12:15:15 am
When we bought our house and 5 hectares after two days of being told by the Estate Agent that they couldn't get through to the vendors to arrange a viewing we drove past.  Saw they were in, somewhat sheepishly knocked on the door and asked if we could view when it was convenient. They were very happy with this and very unhappy that the agent had been phoning the wrong number for two days. Subsequently we said we would make an offer, they gave us their number and we did it direct.  Throughout the next 10 weeks the agent was calling consistently giving both of us misinformation. Fortunately we talked regularly and ended up laughing at the nonsense. I don't think the agent was devious, just incompetent. 

Best of luck I hope it all happens for you.
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: farmershort on June 14, 2016, 11:46:21 am
another week, another lack of progress....

the solicitors are properly in touch with each other now, which is something I suppose, but still no enquiries have been answered, no updated contract sent.... they're always "just waiting for..." something else to turn up.

I am so so so so so fed up of this. It's all I can do to stop myself pulling out of the deal out of spite at the process.

My OH is on holiday with her sister at the moment, and I doubt she'd be too impressed to come back to that news. She'd understand though.

If the place in question wasn't exactly what we wanted, then I think we'd have pulled out long ago.

 :gloomy:

Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: waterbuffalofarmer on June 14, 2016, 01:58:24 pm
ahhh no that is terrible. I think you need to really push them even more maybe give them an ultimatum try and email or get in contact with your local mp and see what they can do. Let everyone know who is involved including the sellers about how it is affecting you and give them an ultimatum. I really hope this gets sorted soon and I am sorry that this is happening! sending hugs to you both :hug: :hug:It reminds me of my broadband company, which I have finally switched from. :rant:
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: silkwoodzwartbles on June 14, 2016, 06:18:35 pm
So sorry to hear how much trouble you're having, if it's any consolation, I'm losing the will to live with mine and OH's first house purchase too! Why is buying a house so much more difficult than buying anything else!? A caravan in the field is starting to look very attractive!
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: Lesley Silvester on June 14, 2016, 11:53:13 pm
If you do think of trying an ultimatum, make sure that you are prepared to carry it through.
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: Herdygirl on June 17, 2016, 09:13:26 pm
I feel your pain i have been where you are now  >:(

'the solicitors are properly in touch with each other now, which is something I suppose, but still no enquiries have been answered, no updated contract sent.... they're always "just waiting for..." something else to turn up.'

Yea i know how you feel about this.  During one property purchase I was told this, I told them 'to go and bleep bleep get it!' when they said they couldn't because 'that's not how things were done'  I went and got it myself  (it was the local council searches) and told them to knock it off their bill.

another trick solicitors pull is to sit on your money, citing a small hold up and ths gaining them interest, and then do nothing for weeks about the contracts.  Most are incompetent
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: farmershort on June 23, 2016, 02:54:23 pm
Well, at least my OH is now back at home and not posting pictures of sunny beaches on face-ache! Haha.

Yesterday was 12 weeks since offer...  a quarter of a fudging year!!!

We met our solicitors on Friday just gone (nice woman), and she showes us the draft contract that was finally sent through that morning. Firstly, it was not exactly wordy, nor complete.. but the 2 mean sticking points were:

1) what was "a right of access for the property next door" had turned into "a right to do whatever we want to that land whenever we want including fencing and digging it up".... erm... nope!

2) what was "a right of drainage for the property next door" had turned into "a right to dig a massive great hole in your field adjoining said property to install a cesspit out, and access to it forever more"... again.... nope!

So they basically want a bit of field for free, and rights as good as the freehold over the driveway. Fudging chances!

We let the solicitor do the formal bits and she decided it would be better for her to draft the contract and send it over, rather than having to correct the seller's solicitor all the time.

We've not heard anything since that meeting (our solicitors are chasing their counterparts daily). We can't really chase the subhumans anymore, as we'll show our hand.... just got to wait it out. What a poxy stupid process.

Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: farmershort on June 24, 2016, 01:16:53 pm
Lets see how much faith the estate agents have in their precious housing market after the vote....
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: farmershort on June 29, 2016, 02:08:18 pm
AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH

not that I support property as investment, but how the hell do peope do this for a living?!?!

It looks like last night we would finally get an amended contract and answers to the outstanding 25+ enquiries. It's 13 weeks today since offer.... Nothing arrived!

I have just written a trule arsey email to the estate agents... I had to remove the phrase "arse from his elbow" and other such choice phrases before hitting send...

I stopped short of using the estate agent partner's full name of C***bags C**kwomble McC***face. (Sorry if that offends anyone)

We now know what's been going on in the background. It seems that (at a snails pace) the estate agent partner t**t has been liaising with vendors and their solicitor to make sure the 12ftx24ft property next door is viable for change of use to residential. This has meant that every time we throw something up, they have to cross check it against their still evolving plans for this tiny tiny building. The planning and change of use doesn't worry us at all, as it's a tiny plot, but it's the sheer cloak and dagger nature of it, coupled with a sense of not really being arsed about our sale.

in short, they went to market to early, and they're totally incompetant... and what will happen to them? oh yeah, that's right... they get rewarded with our money! W******.

Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: waterbuffalofarmer on June 29, 2016, 03:33:30 pm
Oh dear I am very sorry to hear this [member=7747]farmershort[/member] I think, I hope you dont mind me saying, you should look for somewhere else to either buy or rent? How much land has this one got? You should move to ceredigion they have loads of really lovely smallholdings for sale around here and it is still close to the sea, property is also fairly inexpensive. You could try and get one nr new quay in ceredigion, fabulous place, loads of tourists and booming businesses, plus beautiful views into the bargain. have I  convinced you yet?  ;D
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: farmershort on June 29, 2016, 03:44:24 pm
Oh dear I am very sorry to hear this [member=7747]farmershort[/member] I think, I hope you dont mind me saying, you should look for somewhere else to either buy or rent? How much land has this one got? You should move to ceredigion they have loads of really lovely smallholdings for sale around here and it is still close to the sea, property is also fairly inexpensive. You could try and get one nr new quay in ceredigion, fabulous place, loads of tourists and booming businesses, plus beautiful views into the bargain. have I  convinced you yet?  ;D

We did look at Wales quite a lot originally (up to about a year or so ago), but a few things come into it. I've had some pretty poor experiences with my welsh-speaking inlaws, and they have pretty much managed to put me off Wales. My Welsh other half has no desire to go back, partly because of the above. The other thing is work... we're fortunate enough to have pretty good self-employed jobs at the moment, which will travel a certain distance... I think Ceredigion is just too cut off from mainstream jobs. That's not a bad thing, and if we had 300k in cash, then I think it'd be a great place.

I can't go on with this farce for many more weeks to be honest with you, and if it all ends in a heap then we may have re-assess our options. Monmouth was a favourite for a while, but even that fell out of favour given our experiences.

If it were totally up to me, I think I'd probably save a little bit more money, and then move to India and try to buy somewhere in Himachal Pradesh, near Shimla preferably. There's no way I could convince my other half of this though. :D

I reckon we'll give them a total of another 2 weeks, and then we'll use the nuclear option of telling them we're pulling out... backup up with a total willingness to follow it through...

and then I'm going to have the mother of all bloody holidays!
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: waterbuffalofarmer on June 29, 2016, 04:06:12 pm
sounds like a good idea [member=7747]farmershort[/member] May I suggest for somewhere nice the Lleyn penninsula or anglesey very lovely places and long sandy big beaches too! The land is quite good too. If not you could always try France or even scotland. I always wanted to live in Tuscany myself and own a vineyard, but thats just me  :D
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: Bionic on June 29, 2016, 04:27:24 pm
sounds like a good idea [member=7747]farmershort[/member] May I suggest for somewhere nice the Lleyn penninsula or anglesey very lovely places and long sandy big beaches too! The land is quite good too. If not you could always try France or even scotland. I always wanted to live in Tuscany myself and own a vineyard, but thats just me  :D

Is France an option now with Brexit?
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: waterbuffalofarmer on June 29, 2016, 05:40:04 pm
sounds like a good idea [member=7747]farmershort[/member] May I suggest for somewhere nice the Lleyn penninsula or anglesey very lovely places and long sandy big beaches too! The land is quite good too. If not you could always try France or even scotland. I always wanted to live in Tuscany myself and own a vineyard, but thats just me  :D

Is France an option now with Brexit?
Who knows? We won't be fully leaving for another 3-4 years, so technically we're still in Europe. It may be a little more difficult, but am sure it could be done :)
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: farmershort on June 30, 2016, 10:40:55 am
Nuclear option delivered.... exchange by Tuesday 5th July or we're out.


I realised things had gone too far for me when:

1) I woke up this morning already stressed about the situation before my eyes even had time to focus

2) I spoke with a private investigations company about investigating the 3 main players.

enough is finally enough.
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: pgkevet on June 30, 2016, 02:13:01 pm
You're more patient that i would have been. House buying is stressful enough but after buying a few you get hardened. For those old enough to remember the gazumping era of the 70's I got really annoyed after the second time.. started looking elsewhere but overgazumped meanwhile.. then dropped out after 2 weeks - just to mess the vendor about.
In time you realise there is no such thing as an ideal proeprty..just something that is a good starting point.

When we bought this place both of us thought the land was lovely but the house 'sorta OK'. If OH had had a bit more patience and the temperament to put up with disruption I'd have knocked the thing down and built what i really wanted. As it is .. new floors, extension, new kitchen, scrape the roof and repoint all the walls, new windows, UPVC fascias, new guttering and redecorate and new paving. It's now 'OK' whereas it could have been 'super'.
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: farmershort on June 30, 2016, 02:17:27 pm
You're more patient that i would have been. House buying is stressful enough but after buying a few you get hardened. For those old enough to remember the gazumping era of the 70's I got really annoyed after the second time.. started looking elsewhere but overgazumped meanwhile.. then dropped out after 2 weeks - just to mess the vendor about.
In time you realise there is no such thing as an ideal proeprty..just something that is a good starting point.

When we bought this place both of us thought the land was lovely but the house 'sorta OK'. If OH had had a bit more patience and the temperament to put up with disruption I'd have knocked the thing down and built what i really wanted. As it is .. new floors, extension, new kitchen, scrape the roof and repoint all the walls, new windows, UPVC fascias, new guttering and redecorate and new paving. It's now 'OK' whereas it could have been 'super'.

That sounds exactly like what we're trying to buy. land is perfect, but the house hasn't had much done to it since 1958 when it was finished... except for oil fire central heating.

We've already had an architect out to it to come up with some sort of phased plan around improving it, but it would be a lot simpler to knock is down and build my dream hobbit house :D
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: pgkevet on June 30, 2016, 05:51:13 pm
...and probbaly cheaper...

But not a hobbit house! We actually looked at one property that had a lovely hobbit-sized house...except that folk of my size would have needed a wheel-chair from the front door...no way could i stand upright in the darned thing. No-one over 5ft 4in had a chance of comfort ( let alone my 6ft 7in and a bit)...

... I wanted a good size built around a courtyard with a  turret at one corner.. and if i had my way the roof area of the turret would be a conservatory plant room full of exotics...
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: pharnorth on July 01, 2016, 08:13:56 am
Sadly some people are too wrapped up in themselves to honestly sell you a pet rabbit let alone a house and land and all that complication. Hope it comes good on the 7th.
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: devonlady on July 01, 2016, 09:53:17 am
I will echo Pharnorth, will be thinking of you on the 7th!
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: farmershort on July 01, 2016, 10:05:39 am
it's the 5th, but thanks both ;)

seriously though, thanks for all the support on this thread. It's been comforting.
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: waterbuffalofarmer on July 01, 2016, 11:08:02 am
no problem at all [member=7747]farmershort[/member] you're welcome. We will all be thinking of you both on the 5th.
All the best
WBF
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: farmershort on July 04, 2016, 11:08:29 am
The estate agent revealed this morning that the vendors solicitor doesn't often get into the office before 11am... what a nob!

Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: waterbuffalofarmer on July 04, 2016, 11:17:29 am
How is it going [member=7747]farmershort[/member] ? Any news yet?
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: farmershort on July 04, 2016, 11:35:08 am
How is it going [member=7747]farmershort[/member] ? Any news yet?

Nah, the enquiry answers and updated contract were promised by close-of-play tuesday last week. Our solicitor still hasn't recieved them as of 11am this morning.

The daft estate agents started the morning's correspondance at 10:45am by stating that they will try and call our solicitors to see if they have recieved anything before chasing the vendors solicitor. They then got a ver short phone call from my stating the idiocy that they were still demonstrating - ring the sodding vendor solicitor first, and see if he's sent it yet!!!

Anyway, nothing yet, but I can't see how they'll get eveything to us, give out solicitor time to review and correct, and get another iteration done before CoP tomorrow.

I'll keep you posted though.

Azores high from tomorrow as well! perfect hay making weather in the south west!
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: pgkevet on July 04, 2016, 12:59:45 pm
Don't back down on your deadline ..and if they miss it and plead then only accept at a reduced  price and new deadline.
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: farmershort on July 05, 2016, 08:52:55 pm
Exchange in the morning, all being well.

Everything got answered today... we just ran out of working hours.
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: pharnorth on July 05, 2016, 08:55:13 pm
What I like about Manx Loughtons is the way they just look at you and stamp their feet. Sometimes just standing there and stamping your feet is the best way to get things done. Well done.
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: SallyintNorth on July 05, 2016, 10:21:15 pm
:fc:
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: Lesley Silvester on July 06, 2016, 12:44:34 am
Here's hoping!!!
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: farmershort on July 06, 2016, 03:40:20 pm
EXCHANGED!!!!

In the end I've had to do a personal Denial-of-Service attack on the seller's solicitors reception.... ringing them every 15 minutes until the lazy solicitor got off his arse and answered the last question.

14 weeks exactly! to the hour!

Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: waterbuffalofarmer on July 06, 2016, 04:03:27 pm
I am glad that everything is sorted out now. All the best with the future and do let us know how you get on?  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: Bionic on July 06, 2016, 04:03:41 pm
YIPEEEEEEEE
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: SallyintNorth on July 06, 2016, 05:51:44 pm
Congratulations  :celebrate:

That's the nearest to a party popper I could find - although it maybe bears a resemblance to what the vendor's solicitor has been doing today... :/
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: devonlady on July 06, 2016, 07:03:22 pm
At last! Well done!!
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: Lesley Silvester on July 06, 2016, 11:24:01 pm
YAAAAAAAAY!!!!!    :excited:
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: Jullienne on July 07, 2016, 12:29:44 pm
Glad to hear all has gone well and that you have it all sorted now, well done :trophy:
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: farmershort on July 12, 2016, 12:19:24 pm
and just for completeness... we completed this morning :D

we're now smallholders! Not sure how "accidental" it was, but time for a new thread I reckon.

thanks again folks.
Title: Re: ******* estate agents!
Post by: Lesley Silvester on July 12, 2016, 11:43:26 pm
Congratulations and enjoy your new life.  :farmer: :farmer: