The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Livestock => Sheep => Topic started by: Jethro Tull on April 07, 2016, 05:23:07 am
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Two of our ewes had triplets. The first delivered a lamb at 11am and two more arrived 4 hours later. In the meanwhile she had cleaned and fed the first and they were doing fine. When the other two arrived she ignored them, and wouldn't let them feed. Eventually we took them in and they have just bombed along
Second ewe bore three in quick succession, fed two and rejected the third leaving a soggy mess by the fence. Took it in, it was tiny, it has taken over two weeks for it to reach the birth size and weight of its siblings and for its horn buds to appear. Only in the past 72 hours has it started to drink recommended milk qualities
What I want to know is this. Is it possible (it is counter intuitive) that this triplet was conceived later than its siblings, eg in a subsequent oestrus, so that even though it was delivered at the same time as its siblings it was actually 17 days premature?
Don't laugh at me. I "know" that's not possible, but it fits the facts
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No I dont think so. Once an animal or human has concieved the entrance to the womb closes. What usually happens with triplets is 2 of the lambs are bigger than the third, either due to how the ewe is fed or how she is feeding them. It isnt that rare to get a tiny triplet, I myself have had a few whose bros and sises are really big; In fact I have one atm that tiny. It just means they will need longer on the bottle and feeding up more, but if theyre good and strong they usually make it. Hope this helps and does it answer your question?
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A friend had a cow that had a second calf three months after calving, both calves healthy and well. The first was to a dairy bull by AI and the second to the Limousin sweeper bull they used. The vet said it was very rare but could happen...
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I would not have thought that a lamb 17 days early would be viable.
When our little orphan Annie was delivered by C-Section 8 days early, the vet said that was really about the limit as the lungs are not developed enough before that.
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They can catch by multiple rams in same cycle, but not beyond that I don't think?
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UNEVEN sized triplets are common , the womb only has 2 compartments and you get 1 lamb in one side and 2 in the other
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Yup, depends on how many placental "buttons" the lamb has access to. Unlike humans bovines have many mini placentas - the more the better for survivability.
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I had that exact thing happen today! A pair of twins, but one clearly 'younger'. Not just smaller, I'm very familiar with that, but had been conceived later, and was premature, looked like a late abortion in proportion etc. It did live briefly, but did not survive. I've seen it quite a bit in cats, but this is my first experience of it in sheep, and I've lambed a lot.
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I have also had a very mismatched pair of twins and the titchy one almost looked like a prem. I assume this is due to an uneven distribution of cotyledons, the placental units. I would have assumed that even if 2 different times of conception was possible, that if born at the same time the prem would die. There are studies showing that lambs born even a week early do not survive.
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Well I've been busy tagging and daggin all day but I just got into bed to look at your answers. I read them to Frau Tull and we both thought what a varied, informative and interesting set of responses with much food for thought.
Meanwhile little Wiggle is doing very well, but I didn't have the heart to tag him today
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It is quite normal for one triplet to be much smaller than the others. It is also common for one triplet to be reabsorbed if the environment isn't good enough to support all three. So in my mind the ewe's body will support two and be prepared to ditch the third if needs be. So the third being smaller wouldn't be down to conception timing but down to the ewe's body's ability to cope with a multiple birth. We have had two sets of quads this year, 5 out of 8 died, and neither ewe could raise enough milk to feed even one!
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No problems with quads , even sized and plenty of milk , 1KG day concs for last month + lifeline + silage