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Pets & Working Animals => Dogs => Topic started by: Cocomartinez on December 30, 2015, 09:25:20 am
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We´re planning to start visiting 2 or 3 local shelters this weekend. We´re looking for a 2-5 year old GSD mix, which appear to be common from looking on their webpages.
Any general advice regarding what to look for, what to have prepared, etc? We´ve ordered food/water dishes, a kong and some chew treats, but are waiting to find the dog to purchase the right collar/harness/leash. A friend recommended a beanbag/pouf for a bed which we can get locally.
Thank you and hope you are having wonderful holidays!
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Go with an open mind is my advice :) Let the dogs "talk" to you (I know that sounds nuts) and don't ignore a dog that doesn't tick the boxes you think you have. It may be the right dog for you is the one you wouldn't look at twice :)
I'd also recommend getting a DAP plug in and potentially a crate for a safe retreat area. Also, and I know this is obvious, don't expect the dog to be perfect. So many dogs go back into rescue within a few days for things like "showed too much interest in the rabbit" or "wouldn't do basic obedience when asked" - remember they need to settle in :)
Have a watch of kikopup on youtube who is really good at positive training too which might give you some good ideas and solutions if needed :) First thing you might need to train is a name command as the dog might not know his name but then probably proofing the recall :) So a long line lead and maybe a clicker :)
Food wise, feed whatever the dog is used to for at least the first fortnight before you change and keep to plainish treats as the stress of changing can cause a case of the dire rear ;) As long as you have food and water dishes collar (with ID tag) and a lead (and poo bags!) then you are pretty much set :) Anything else is nice extras.
I personally recommend the tuffy dog toys that come ranked up to a scale of 9 because although they are pricey they seem to last well (I have 3 BCs who play violent games of 3 way tug)
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I was amazed to find that Dogs' Trust don't seem to have any info on their website on the specific topic of settling your new dog into his/her new home. I did note, however, that they provide you with a collar and lead as part of the adoption pack.
I've had a good few rescues in my time, and I would say, do be prepared to wait for the dog that 'clicks' with you. It can be very tempting to choose the 'best option' - but if you haven't yet seen the dog that is immediately and irrevocably your new dog, wait. Of course that could just be me :roflanim:.
I had one rescue, JD, a GSD x collie, who broke my heart. He had been 'the best option' when I got him and had eventually had to be put to sleep before he really hurt someone :'(. I was so emotionally scarred by the whole experience, it was 7 months before I was ready to look for his replacement.
This time I was determined to wait until I 'knew'. It was deeply frustrating, because, probably partly because I was going to be very picky, of course, it took many centres and several visits before I met Horace. I'd not had much of a ticklist, only that I didn't want another GSD x collie. You can probably guess what type Horace was. ::) I cannot tell you what it was about him, but I just knew, and once I'd seen him there was no point looking further, even though he was exactly what I'd said I wouldn't have!
He remains the most wonderful pet dog I've ever had the privilege to share my life with. :love: :dog:
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Be prepared to be thoroughly grilled by the rescue and to be homechecked to make sure your house and garden are suitable. Don't take it personally, but these dogs have often been passed from pillar to post and their next move must be forever to be fair to them.
Don't be in a rush, the right dog will be available eventually.
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Thank you all! We´ve been holding off, thinking we´ll want to take them all home.
We´re waiting to buy food, thinking the shelter will tell us what they´ve been eating. As with the collar and lead, depending on how big the dog is. I understand long walks help during the first few weeks, always on a lead.
Regarding sleeping arrangements - where do your dogs sleep? Do they have a spot in the living room, kitchen, bedroom etc, or one determined place (i.e. the comfiest chair)? Out of the way or where you can supervise? I´m a little worried about the dog wandering aimlessly at night, but on the other hand I´m hesitating about buying a giant crate. Maybe false economy. There are various cozy, enclosed spots around the house that might work, but it´s just the 2 of us and the doors mostly stay open.
Thanks again!
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All my dogs stay with me wherever I go in the house but sleep in the kitchen at night except the old girl who sleeps in my room in case she has a problem in the night. They all have their own beds but often I find them piled together
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Our current dogs sleep in the kitchen, previous boy preferred the conservatory, then kitchen as he got older, previous to that a dog who preferred to be outside, he had a warm dry kennel but had to be tied up overnight for safety. Bad weather we had to MAKE him come inside.
Every dog we've had have been rescue dogs, but by-passed the system.
As long as they have their own bed and space I would think that would be fine. Ours loved their beanbags and made nest shapes, but some dogs could be destructive with them.
Be prepared for a long period of really settling in, you're unlikely to know their background. I think it has taken about a year before they've 100% settled. It must be very confusing/unsettling for them, however much we care for them, we know they're here to stay but what's going through their minds?
It may be best to keep it in one room at nights, until it settles in and knows where it should sleep.
Most dogs we've had we've had to go back to basic training, again that could be they've been confused after different homes.
Only time we got one from a dogs home I had to walk out in tears, all those poor dogs. i did go back, we walked a dog out and for some reason I calied him Jack. We decided to go home and discuss, we knew on the way home we'd be back, so did the kennel girl :), she was watching for us the next day, so Jack came to live with us for 11 wonderful years, he would always be with me.
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Its a bit like fostering a child. Most will come with past history that leaves some form of mental scar. Be prepared not to be trusted or loved . Give the dog he/she own quite place that it can go to if it needs to. it may take weeks or even longer to form a good bond so don't expect too much. On the other hand you may end up with a dog that has no problems and fit in right away. Best of luck on finding what is right for you.
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I would never be without a crate at the start with a new dog. So much so when we designed our new kitchen we built one in. Once we know that the dog is not going to chew everything overnight and is house trained, the door is taken off and it is always a safe place for the dogs when I am crafting, cooking or otherwise busy in the kitchen and do not need a dog underfoot.
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I would never be without a crate at the start with a new dog. So much so when we designed our new kitchen we built one in. Once we know that the dog is not going to chew everything overnight and is house trained, the door is taken off and it is always a safe place for the dogs when I am crafting, cooking or otherwise busy in the kitchen and do not need a dog underfoot.
Absolutely agree with Buttermilk on the crate. Dogs learn it is their space and will go in and sleep/relax in there like they would a basket but you have the advantage of being able to close the door when needed. They need to be able to walk in turn around, stand up etc but it doesn't need to be huge just be the right size for the dog.
Also very handy when they come in wet!
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Whether a crate, or just the space under a table, under the stairs, wherever, the dog needs an enclosed space, like a den, that is his (or hers), where it knows it is safe from interference. Then whenever it feels anxious, it can retreat into that space and feel secure. Children, visitors and everyone in the house need to know that's the dog's own space and to leave it be when it is there.
Apart from the very first one, I've always been bringing the new dog into a home where there's already at least one other dog (and a cat or several, too), so that is enormously settling for the newcomer; they can just watch the other dogs and do as they do, and they aren't ever alone. If I were bringing a dog from kennels to a home without other dogs, I think I would definitely be inclined to either crate it and/or have it in the bedroom with me for the first few nights.
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We don't have a crate, but our girl has more than enough choice of where to sleep. Dog bed and sofa which she sleeps on during the day and then the spare bed and our bed which she flicks between during the night. It will depend on your dog what they want, and you will give in to them.
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I would have suggested a crate, but OP didn't seem to want that route, ours also get used for geese, lambs, goat kids (nearly just said kids, would have had nspcc after me Lol). As long as they aren't used as a punishment I think they are a great idea. Can be covered over to make a cosy den, and not be obvious as a cage in the house.
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Frankly, I want a big dog, while trying to keep an open mind. A mastiff/GSD cross is a pretty common farmdog round these parts, so I guess I´ll wait until we´ve made a choice to buy a crate or not.
There are nooks in the laundry room off the kitchen - a little chilly but it has a slate floor, and the bedroom, again chilly with a wood floor, and no one´s in there during the day, and in the living room, wood and rugs. But DH works from his office there, and I´m afraid the dog will be startled by some of his phone harrangues (I know I am).
BTW - I understand that GSD´s shed a lot. Any recommendations on a good brush?
Also, other than moving stuff out of tail reach, and keeping countertops clear whilst training, any dog proofing I should be doing?
Thank you all!! Happy New Year.
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Thank you all for your thoughts and advice. Just wanted to update to introduce the newest member of the family. Meet Breogán, a 3 year old Spanish mastiff mix. He´s underweight, has some little cuts and abrasions, and is blowing his undercoat to a formidable degree, but has settled in unbelievably well and is an utter delight.
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:love: :love: :love:
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Awwww he is beautiful, congrats! I'm sure he will have a very happy life with you and your family. All the best :thumbsup:
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Certainly looks like he's made himself at home, we'll done.
What did you decide on sleeping arrangements for him?
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He looks lovely, do keep us posted - and more pics as he regains full health.
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Edited to correct his gender! :-[
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He seems to have found himself a nice spot by the fire :thumbsup:
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For the time being he has a squishy, padded bed in the laundry at night, a soft rug in the kitchen and another soft rug next to the fire in the living room for naps. This may change as he settles in.
We took him to the vet today because he´s scratching to the point of drawing blood. She says it´s an allergy. Probably flea bite, mites, or pollen. Frankly, I find that strange since he was in a cement run for 3 months and it´s done nothing but pour for the last 10 days. We have an appointment for next week, a steroid and an antibiotic for a toe he managed to rip the claw from, and he´s had a medicated shampoo spa treatment. Looking very handsome. :love:
Any recommendations on chews? I got a bag of pigs ears, but he polished off the first one today in less than 5 minutes. Impressive jaws.
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Any recommendations on chews? I got a bag of pigs ears, but he polished off the first one today in less than 5 minutes. Impressive jaws.
Cow ears are less fatty and tummy friendly.
Otherwise try pizzles, dried tendons and beef scalp, raw tracheas (frozen and stuffed take a while), antlers or anco roots (antlers can break teeth so be wary), nylabones or try filled kongs?
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He has a kong, but loses interest the minute there´s no goodies left. ::)
Now he´s taken to chewing on his ¨rag¨ rug and pulling the fabric strips. I wonder if he wouldn´t enjoy a soft knotted rope thing to shred. Are they safe?
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There is another thread about what to do with socks with holes in. If you have any of those knot them together and let him play and chew on those.
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There is another thread about what to do with socks with holes in. If you have any of those knot them together and let him play and chew on those.
And just hope he doesn't start on the one still on your foot LOL
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what food is he on? Often itching is a food allergy rather than pollen at this time of year, beef dairy and rice aften being the culprits in my experience but I know dogs that are allergic to chicken too.
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Thanks again for your thoughts.
Wouldn´t you know I just threw out an entire bag of holey socks. :P Got him rope thingy with a tennis ball connected and he made short work of the ball.
He has perked up and started nibbling on us! Better your shirt cuff than skin. Puppy behavior?
After looking it up, it seems flea spit(!) is a common allergy and can last weeks from the actual bite. We did have a warm, dry November and December, so I suppose it´s possible.
So far feeding raw chicken parts, pork, beef bones, along with cooked rice, oatmeal, squash and veg, with a little organ meat thrown in and some yoghurt to help compensate for the antibiotics. :yum: I know he was on the cheapest bulk kibble available before. We´ll see how he is after the prescriptions are done.
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After looking it up, it seems flea spit(!) is a common allergy and can last weeks from the actual bite. We did have a warm, dry November and December, so I suppose it´s possible.
I have a collie here chewing himself to pieces and ripping coat out all over the floor cause of fleas. Everyone is on flea control but unfortunately they have to be bitten for it to work.. I've had to re-start billy no mates months earlier than I expected. Spotted a very desiccated flea on the cat along with some flea poo so they are around >:( >:( >:(
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So far feeding raw chicken parts, pork, beef bones, along with cooked rice, oatmeal, squash and veg, with a little organ meat thrown in and some yoghurt to help compensate for the antibiotics. :yum: I know he was on the cheapest bulk kibble available before. We´ll see how he is after the prescriptions are done.
Me again :innocent:
You have him on good food (imo ;) ) but can I suggest ditching the oatmeal and rice? Rice can be an allergen for some dogs, and both oatmeal and rice aren't really digested by dogs and just come out the other end in the same quanitity they went in. If you are wanting to bulk out his food a bit then green beans are good, broccoli and other veg and if are steamed lightly, they can be semi digested.
I feed my lot raw and if they have a mince meal, I put it in here for them http://www.doggiesolutions.co.uk/Interactive-Feeder.html?gclid=CI6dqqCOosoCFUi3GwodGvsNNw (http://www.doggiesolutions.co.uk/Interactive-Feeder.html?gclid=CI6dqqCOosoCFUi3GwodGvsNNw) turns a 30sec meal into a 5 minute one :D
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For chews have a look at Millies Wolfheart- they do loads of natural chews, ours love cows ears, udder strips and the lamb head skins… I had an order arrive this week with some beef tracheas too which might be right down his street as they are huge (says on the label good for joint care too). They do fantastic grain free kibble too, our 2 spaniels are on the gamekeeper mix :)
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So it´s been a month since Breogán joined us. We are tired, but thrilled he´s here. But we still have issues with him scratching. He´s completed 2 sets of antibiotics, 1 for an infected toe and 1 for a problematic ear. Both are now fine according to the Vet. He´s had 3 medicated baths, but is still shedding a lot. Much softer coat, though and less than when he arrived. He´s had 3 weeks of Prednisone for the itching, tapering off gradually. But he´s still giving himself welts scratching his legs and hindquarters. He had some flaky dandruff a few days ago, but that seems to have cleared up. I´ve eliminated rice and chicken from his diet for the last week but it´s made no difference at all. Recently it´s mostly pork, liver, kidney, heart, steamed veg and beef bones. He´s now taking a couple of amino acid/ Evening Primrose capsules every day. I also give him yoghurt, brewer´s yeast and sunflower oil a couple of times a week. I have some coconut oil - would that help? He is obsessed with food and can hear the refrigerator door open a mile away from a dead sleep. The vet recommends something stronger than the prednisone, when we take him for his second vaccination next week, but I´d like to identify what´s making him itch. He did spent 3 solid hours chewing a beef bone down to the nubbins yesterday without scratching once. Could it be boredom or a nervous habit or something?
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Oh, and thank you for the Millies Wolfheart recommendation - I´ve tracked down a supplier for tracheas here in Spain and will order.
Thanks again for your thoughts!
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Have you tried fish oil? This often helps improving skin & coat condition.
When I got my boy from the shelter (now over 5 years ago) he had quite a few issues too, digestion issues, hotspots and obsessive itching/licking to the point of bald raw broken patches. I put the itching down to nervous/stress behaviour as there was no evidence of parasites, or any change of symptoms by tweaking his diet to indicate an allergy. A raw diet, supplements, topical use of cardiospermum tincture ('nature's cortisone') and a stable loving environment sorted him out eventually, but it was a long, slow process, it took 6 months or so.
If he's only been with you a few weeks I would allow more time for him to settle down into his new routine and good food regime, and maybe try a few different things before resorting to long term use of strong drugs.
Good luck! :fc: