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Community => Coffee Lounge => Topic started by: Penninehillbilly on December 26, 2015, 11:55:02 am
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Bad flooding down in valley, we woke up up to water pouring off our hillside fields, drain blocked but we managed to clear it, but it's all on its way down to Hebden Bridge, which is already flooded nearly at 2012 level, I believe that was highest recorded. I believe roads are closed or impassible. I feel for them :(
Upsetting, someone on radio at Keighley was saying he'd seen sheep being washed out of a field and down the river, poor things, they won't stand a chance with their fleeces waterlogged, I hope the end is quick for them. As said by person who saw it, there have been enough warning, owner should have got them away from the river. :(
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So many affected by flooding this year, so sad especially for the animals who relie on people to protect them
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Its so heart breaking isn't it? :'( The weather was so bad up here the last few weeks that I have had to bring them indoors. Its funny every time i go into the building to feed them I hear baaaaaaahhhhh, but at least am glad they're safe and dry. When the weather gets better I have some better fields for them to graze, they will of course still be getting supplemented feed and licks. It really breaks my heart to see all these small farmers struggling and losing stock. I wish I could do something for them, but I myself am struggling.
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The rainfall in the NW has been exceptional. We were expecting heavy rainfall in 2007 but what we got was days of torrential rain. We have a little stream that starts on the farm and drains the bowl at our end of the valley. Normally it's about a metre wide and 15 cm deep but that Winter it was 5 metres wide and 3 metres deep and took trees and fences with it.
I had to pick up some hurdles from Vowchurch on Christmas Eve and the road from Bridge Sollers was flooded most of the way although we haven't had anywhere near the rainfall they're getting on Yorkshire and Lancashire.
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We live on a flood plain and flood every winter at least a couple of times but we are lucky as it just affects the roads round us and cuts us off from the rest of the world. We have flooded more times in the last fortnight than we did the whole of last winter! Easy to get a bit fed up as I have to stay on the other side of the water when we flood so I can get to work but when you see what people are having to deal with elsewhere it puts a bit of irritation in perspective. Heart really goes out to people who have lost so much.
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I know beeducked I was reading about a farmer who had just lost half his land in Cumbria due to a landslide. On the way to Birmingham the other week I noticed a whole field flooded and it was horrible and beautiful at the same time, misty over the water on the field and a huge oak tree which had cast its shadow, half in water the trunk was, it looked like something out of Camelot.
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I grumble about being up here on the top of a hill, both our land and the house are high up ....but I thank God with all this rain, that we are out of the path of all the water. I keep saying if we flood up here, then the end of the World is here. Lower down from us, whole fields are submerged, and the rivers are very high, so I am very lucky that the water runs past us.
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I can't begin to imagine what it is like in the north west. We live next to the trent but it hasn't flooded since the 1950s. I have an urge to take a truck full of goodies up to the Lake District. Would it help?
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There have been flood barriers up alongside the Severn although they are down again now. The local park is submerged though so the river is still very high.
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I can't begin to imagine what it is like in the north west. We live next to the trent but it hasn't flooded since the 1950s. I have an urge to take a truck full of goodies up to the Lake District. Would it help?
I think there are organization's being set up in Cumbria etc, Lancashire and West Yorkshire are too recent, nothing could be done today, we couldn't get near to see if we could help, we'll go down in the morning to see what we can do, 2012 we went down to help clear some houses out in our parish, they would have hardly got themselves sorted, today's levels were higher than previous recorded, not the sort of record we want broken :-(.
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This was our Market town on Boxingday. Even my sandy small holding had pools of standing water which never happens. Once the rain stopped the sun came out and the wind got up so my place soon dried up but others are still dealing with the water levels that have nowhere to go.
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There are more housing estates for that flood water to pass through than the last time the place flooded.
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The rainfall in the NW has been exceptional. We were expecting heavy rainfall in 2007 but what we got was days of torrential rain. We have a little stream that starts on the farm and drains the bowl at our end of the valley. Normally it's about a metre wide and 15 cm deep but that Winter it was 5 metres wide and 3 metres deep and took trees and fences with it.
Oh, and a note to George Monbiot - the valley is ancient woodland. When torrential rain falls on sodden ground trees make ****** all difference.
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I can't begin to imagine what it is like in the north west. We live next to the trent but it hasn't flooded since the 1950s. I have an urge to take a truck full of goodies up to the Lake District. Would it help?
I think the message is that actually the vast majority of the Lake District is not affected by flooding and is open for business. Those areas that have been affected Grasmere, Glenridding, Keswick and then out into Cumbria at Carlisle, Penrith etc once open for business will need business.
There are people who are in a desperate state, flooded not once but several times and yes support is needed.
There are ways to support these communities on line with details out there on the web such as the Cumbria Community Foundation. Practical help for farms affected might be best offered through Cumbria Farmer Network or the NFU.
Of course Storm Eva has brought further misery not just to Cumbria but other areas of the country and I feel for anyone affected especially at a time of year when people should be celebrating with friends and family in their homes.
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I can't begin to imagine what it is like in the north west. We live next to the trent but it hasn't flooded since the 1950s. I have an urge to take a truck full of goodies up to the Lake District. Would it help?
Bless you :bouquet: and Yes.
Facebook groups are probably the best place to find out what it is needed. I found these :
Cumbria : https://www.facebook.com/groups/cumbriafloodvolunteers/?fref=ts (https://www.facebook.com/groups/cumbriafloodvolunteers/?fref=ts)
Yorkshire : https://www.facebook.com/Yorkshire-Voluntary-Flood-Support-162845580744256/?fref=ts (https://www.facebook.com/Yorkshire-Voluntary-Flood-Support-162845580744256/?fref=ts)
Lancashire : https://www.facebook.com/groups/1109881965711873/?fref=ts (https://www.facebook.com/groups/1109881965711873/?fref=ts)
In Cumbria on Dec 6th, the immediate need was food, bedding and clothes. I remember there being especial calls for outsize clothes, and for food and beds for pets. Pretty quickly the requirements moved on to cleaning materials, and they are still asking for these.
Items of furniture for those who don't have insurance will no doubt be welcome once people begin to get back into their houses - but first they have to clean up.
For those who cannot or do not want to take things to the affected areas, Cumbria has the Cumbrian flood appeal (http://www.cumbriafoundation.org/ways-to-give-new/cumbria-flood-appeal-2015), target now raised to £6M. An appeal for Lancashire (https://www.lancaster.gov.uk/news/2015/dec/lancashire-flood-recovery-fund/) was started on Dec 16th. I would anticipate other appeals getting started any time now, for Yorkshire and other areas.
For aid specifically for farmers, there is Forage Aid (http://www.forageaid.org.uk/). And I just found this Princes' Countryside Fund Flood Appeal http://uk.virginmoneygiving.com/charity-web/charity/displayCharityCampaignPage.action?charityCampaignUrl=2015FloodAppeal (http://uk.virginmoneygiving.com/charity-web/charity/displayCharityCampaignPage.action?charityCampaignUrl=2015FloodAppeal)
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Been down helping a bit today, heartbreaking and inspiring at the same time, town is full of people, including lots of youngsters, just mucking in and scraping the mud up, washing shops out, loading sodden goods into vans, so sad to see the piles of stuff, but the atmosphere of pulling together was amazing, council and police were out in force, glad we went down, not feeling just as miserable no, but still a long way to go.
No electric till 6pm tonight, all town off for obvious safety reasons, OH just going back down with a Generator.
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Sowerby Bridge is an absolute mess, OH took a genny down yesterday for one of our daughters friends shop. The community is rallying round with cleaning etc problem now is finding accommodation for those whose houses are affected.
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I've posted these links onto my own Facebook page, thank you
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No electric till 6pm tonight, all town off for obvious safety reasons, OH just going back down with a Generator.
We were wrongly informed, now i believe transformer or substation blew up, still no electric today, donation centres are having to say no furniture or bulky goods, i suppose when you think about it, replacing furniture is the last thing you think about when you are still washing mud and filthy water off walls. Food and cleaning equipment is top of wanted list.
Just caught the end of a news reports on tv, not sure which country, but but flooded, and reports of crocodiles in the water in a town. I suppose looking on the bright side, things could be worse here :-J :) (got to try and find something to smile about)
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Tornado damage in Texas too.
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No electric till 6pm tonight, all town off for obvious safety reasons, OH just going back down with a Generator.
We were wrongly informed, now i believe transformer or substation blew up, still no electric today, donation centres are having to say no furniture or bulky goods, i suppose when you think about it, replacing furniture is the last thing you think about when you are still washing mud and filthy water off walls. Food and cleaning equipment is top of wanted list.
Just caught the end of a news reports on tv, not sure which country, but but flooded, and reports of crocodiles in the water in a town. I suppose looking on the bright side, things could be worse here :-J :) (got to try and find something to smile about)
Could it possibly be Florida? Gives me the creeps to think of being flooded and having an alligator in your house only you don't know where, yikes! :o
Which parts of the UK have been affected most, apart from cumbria?
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Heard it again later - Australia
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Which parts of the UK have been affected most, apart from cumbria?
The current flood map for England and Wales is here (https://flood-warning-information.service.gov.uk/map). Shows floods and flood warnings. Currently widespread across the north of England - Cumbria, Lancashire and Yorkshire, and some in the Peak District. Also North Wales and the Welsh Borders, and a lot of warnings now in place for South Cornwall.
The map for Scotland is here (http://floodline.sepa.org.uk/floodupdates/). I'm not sure about current floods, but this map is showing flood alerts for large areas of Scotland right now, especially north of Stirling.
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Been bone dry all day with slight winds, long may that continue
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Been bone dry all day with slight winds, long may that continue
Apparently we're in for another storm, 50mph winds I think ::)
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Its gone extremely windy here .....
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It's been dry and sunny here all day but the wind is strong now and the flood warnings are in place for Shropshire yet again.
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Been very bad around me in Yorkshire WBF. York flood barriers had to be lifted as the pumping station was breeched which flooded the town. Terrible state if you google the images. My MiL had to drive through floods in Pocklington and Dunnington to get back home to Otley on Boxing Day but the Wharfe had flooded so she couldnt get across the river to her home.
The Aire in Leeds was very high and also flooded housing and shops in the centre of the city. Cawood in Selby had its worst flood with the access bridge submerged and Tadcaster which was also flooded lost its ancient bridge yesterday as it collapsed into the river.
Gales now which will dry some of it up I suppose. And Im told Mr Cameron is bringing a cloth so thats bound to help :-J
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An old (180yr old?) bridge also went in Copley, near Halifax, i worry about the bridges in Hebden Bridge, literally the only access through the valley.
On the news this morning a man has been arrested for looting from houses in Mtholmroyd, he'd come over from Dewsbury! HOW DESPICABLE! :rant: :furious:
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Oh for F@*ks sake what an @rseh*le! :rant:
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Oh for F@*ks sake what an @rseh*le! :rant:
While I can't say those words, I totally agree.
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At times like these we certainly do see both the best and worst of humanity. Increasing awareness also of the apparent regional disparity regarding resources, investment and support, time for a total re- think :thinking:
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I was listening to something on the radio about looting. One bike shop was broken into and a lot of stock lifted. They're not sure if the insurance covers them as the burglar alarm was affected by the power being off. There was also a lot about people putting stuff outside to drain and so the insurance assessors could see the damage only to have it taken from their gardens, meaning they have no proof that they ever owned it so no insurance payouts.
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Local motorcycle groups are now patrolling overnight, at their own expense, to help deter looters in the Calder Valley, with the permission of WYP but sadly they cannot be everywhere. Scum will always float to the surface unfortunately, they need to be eradicated.