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Community => Coffee Lounge => Topic started by: The Woodsiders on December 15, 2015, 09:54:57 am

Title: International Space Station
Post by: The Woodsiders on December 15, 2015, 09:54:57 am
Good morning, this may qualify for the silliest question of the week, How , once these astronauts have completed their stint on the International Space Station, how do they return to earth?
Title: Re: International Space Station
Post by: verdifish on December 15, 2015, 10:43:51 am
The top part of the rocket docks to the station and then is used for the next team to leave. Hence they have to wait for replacements to arrive with a new pod before the outgoing team can leave..
Title: Re: International Space Station
Post by: Louise Gaunt on December 15, 2015, 11:40:53 am
Not wanting to sound too churlish, our first "official " astronaut etc, but in light of the recent climate change conference, can we continue to use soooo much fossil fuel to send a few people up into space to do exactly what? Just how much ground breaking research has come out of the space station? :sofa:
Title: Re: International Space Station
Post by: DavidandCollette on December 15, 2015, 12:44:35 pm
You don't understand Louise climate change only affects the minions it doesn't apply to big business who make squillions out of building these things
Title: Re: International Space Station
Post by: Fleecewife on December 15, 2015, 04:22:07 pm

I hate climate change but I love technology  ???  Silly me  ::)
Title: Re: International Space Station
Post by: verdifish on December 15, 2015, 04:24:15 pm
Some.of the most important data collected to date concerning climate change has been gathered from?  Yep you guessed it the ISS.  So I guess the answer is yes it's worth it.
Title: Re: International Space Station
Post by: The Woodsiders on December 15, 2015, 05:29:03 pm
Thanks Verdifish for your reply, did not realise it would lead to a Climate Change discussion.
Title: Re: International Space Station
Post by: Penninehillbilly on December 15, 2015, 05:32:15 pm
You don't understand Louise climate change only affects the minions it doesn't apply to big business who make squillions out of building these things
Off topic i know but it frustrates me that news is constantly talking about climate change, but these channels (bbc?) send people halfway round the world to show us some monkeys, building, sealife etc, don't know why local companies can't do the filming and then film talked over in english? or do we really need to see researcher patting a wall or a sea-lions head.
Sorry, couldn't help it.
and just cross posted but I'll post anyway :-)

Title: Re: International Space Station
Post by: verdifish on December 15, 2015, 06:54:02 pm
Climate change !!! It's happened before and it'll happen again. Are we to blame ??? Not as much as we are lead to believe..

Sea level rise  !!  looking back over the millions of years this little planet of ours has been here the current ocean levels are really quite low . and yes they will rise and then they will get low again . Again our fault ?? Again, not as much as we are lead to believe.

If you go back a couple of hundred thousand years before man was knocking about the sea levels were such that only 1 third of the current land mass was above sea level ,no one was polluting the atmosphere with big V 8 land rovers  and big jets so why did this all happen . ? Our planet is cyclical and Go's through these cycles regardless of what we are pumping into the atmosphere. I do think we are speeding it up but I don't believe in all the hype and I don't think there is a damn thing any of these minuscule changes the world's leaders insist must happen, will make any difference .
Title: Re: International Space Station
Post by: Marches Farmer on December 15, 2015, 06:58:07 pm
We have 17 Small-Leaved Limes on the farm, which are estimated to be around 1200 years old.  They would have germinated when the Romans were here but no longer germinate in the wild as the temperature is too cold.  So what were the Romans doing to cause global warming ....?
Title: Re: International Space Station
Post by: verdifish on December 15, 2015, 07:03:14 pm
We have 17 Small-Leaved Limes on the farm, which are estimated to be around 1200 years old.  They would have germinated when the Romans were here but no longer germinate in the wild as the temperature is too cold.  So what were the Romans doing to cause global warming ....?


I rest my case ma lord !!!
Title: Re: International Space Station
Post by: Castle Farm on December 15, 2015, 07:51:29 pm
Can the UK afford this trip ?

Title: Re: International Space Station
Post by: verdifish on December 15, 2015, 07:57:46 pm
It being funded by private companies so don't  worry ukplc  will still have  enough in the kitty for Xmas .!!!
Title: Re: International Space Station
Post by: Lesley Silvester on December 15, 2015, 09:37:21 pm
It being funded by private companies so don't  worry ukplc  will still have  enough in the kitty for Xmas .!!!


And these private companies won't get any handouts or tax concessions? Hmmmmm.
Title: Re: International Space Station
Post by: verdifish on December 15, 2015, 10:17:03 pm
No different to the plenty of other companies in this country that dodge tax or get huge tax breaks. But the ISS does actually do the world a favour and we all and I mean All benefit from research done up there.  Next time you buy and electrical device it will be cheaper and better / mire capable because of research and testingndone on alloysbused in micro chips on the ISS. This is just one of a myriad of  good ISS does.
Title: Re: International Space Station
Post by: Fleecewife on December 16, 2015, 12:08:05 am
Yes, the mangled scaremongering reports in the press concentrate on just one side of global warming, but don't think the climate research scientists are the ones promulgating this.  There is a huge amount of serious and minutely detailed research going on into our climate worldwide and how it's changing.  Sure, there have been major changes in the past, and scientists are researching that - you can't see a change if you don't understand what's normal.  The skill is in interpreting the results to pick out the changes which would be happening anyway, and those which are probably caused by the vast amounts of greenhouse gases we pump out, while destroying the forests which are the lungs of our World.  Just because we have had changes before, doesn't mean those changes are benign - rather a lot of life here on Earth has been wiped out by large scale climate changing events.

Yes, be cynical about the press angle, but please don't dismiss the reality of climate change because of that.  The changes happening are very real, and very dangerous to the earth.  I've said before though, Earth herself will recover and readjust, but humanity won't. We are suffocating our whole species.


Watching the Stargazing special this evening, the astronauts who just went up to the space station parked their Soyuz capsule up there, ready for either a planned or emergency return.  No one came back this time, so there was no way or need to return the capsule to Earth.

The guys don't just go up there for a six month vacation spent staring at the Earth from orbit.  They spend their time conducting all sorts of experiments in the three labs. One of the very things that makes humans special is our need and ability to question our world and find out how it works.  Our understanding of all sorts of science has bounded forwards since the Space Station went up there.
Title: Re: International Space Station
Post by: marka on December 16, 2015, 11:27:58 am
So what about the moon landings then - true or false ? :thinking:

Off to hide behind something now...... :sofa:
Title: Re: International Space Station
Post by: Marches Farmer on December 16, 2015, 11:36:30 am
A v-e-r-y long time ago I did a paper on the effect of economic development in Brazil, and included the impact of cutting down the rain forest on world climate.  I was a rather green 22 year old but it's all coming true .....
Title: Re: International Space Station
Post by: Victorian Farmer on December 16, 2015, 01:18:08 pm
My best pic Jupiter and Venus and the milkey way
Title: Re: International Space Station
Post by: Fleecewife on December 16, 2015, 01:34:26 pm
So what about the moon landings then - true or false ? :thinking:

Off to hide behind something now...... :sofa:

True, and the proof is in the vast amount of rubbish and junk they left up there.  Not just bits of machinery, but bags full of sick and urine  :P
Title: Re: International Space Station
Post by: sabrina on December 16, 2015, 07:46:39 pm
The big question is this. What do the powers that be know that we do not.
Title: Re: International Space Station
Post by: doganjo on December 16, 2015, 09:34:45 pm

I hate climate change but I love technology  ???  Silly me  ::)
But eventually technology will prevent climate change
Title: Re: International Space Station
Post by: Fleecewife on December 16, 2015, 09:55:12 pm

I hate climate change but I love technology  ???  Silly me  ::)
But eventually technology will prevent climate change

But will it?  Technology will improve but there's no changing human nature, and that surely is the sticking point - everyone is happy for others to make the changes, as long as it doesn't affect them
Title: Re: International Space Station
Post by: Buttermilk on December 17, 2015, 07:16:26 am
If mankind is giving climate change a helping hand but it would be occuring naturally anyway, I doubt that technology could overcome it.  Nature is the greater force in the long run.
Title: Re: International Space Station
Post by: The Woodsiders on December 17, 2015, 11:45:53 am
Good morning, this may qualify for the silliest question of the week, How , once these astronauts have completed their stint on the International Space Station, how do they return to earth?
Must be a record, one answer relating to my original post and 22 others relating to Climate Change, oh well !!!!
Title: Re: International Space Station
Post by: Fleecewife on December 17, 2015, 11:55:17 am
Good morning, this may qualify for the silliest question of the week, How , once these astronauts have completed their stint on the International Space Station, how do they return to earth?
Must be a record, one answer relating to my original post and 22 others relating to Climate Change, oh well !!!!


Sorry Woodsiders  :-[   On TAS we do tend to get sidetracked............
Title: Re: International Space Station
Post by: Penninehillbilly on December 17, 2015, 02:21:12 pm
LOL Id forgotten the question  :)
Title: Re: International Space Station
Post by: Louise Gaunt on December 17, 2015, 10:43:59 pm
Going back to the original question, a return bit of the rocket stays docked on the space station, and can be used in case of emergency, BUT, doesn't it only carry three people, and there are six people at a time in the space station. So, who decides who gets to be rescued?!
Title: Re: International Space Station
Post by: verdifish on December 17, 2015, 11:39:33 pm
Going back to the original question, a return bit of the rocket stays docked on the space station, and can be used in case of emergency, BUT, doesn't it only carry three people, and there are six people at a time in the space station. So, who decides who gets to be rescued?!

The current pod can, inside about an hour be reconfigured to evacuate all six astronautson the iss.
Title: Re: International Space Station
Post by: Louise Gaunt on December 18, 2015, 09:01:33 am
That's ok then, I was worried it might cause an international incident, or we might have to call in International Rescue, aka Thunderbirds! FAB!
Title: Re: International Space Station
Post by: john and helen on December 18, 2015, 03:44:33 pm
its a bit like when the take the oil workers out to the rigs ….shift on shift off…but in a different way  ;D

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