The Accidental Smallholder Forum

Community => Coffee Lounge => Topic started by: Wizard on April 15, 2010, 09:22:22 pm

Title: Make the punishment fit the crime
Post by: Wizard on April 15, 2010, 09:22:22 pm
So I would ring up Beth Chapman and say "Beth Will you hire me 200 of your biggest bestist shiney black police men The sort we see in England who wear shorts held up by a big belt with a holster and a pistol on one side and a big bull whip on the other.I've a job for them for a 12 month.I should then ring the Director of George Wimpey and say to him Can you build me a prefabricated village like the one you did for the Anchor site.This done I would ring John at Harris Fencing and ask him to put up a boundary Armco Fence around the village The job done and ready for inmates All the magistrates would be told to send proven baddies to the village .When we have enough the head Warden would assemble the prisoners in the yard and say right you men work starts tomorrow at 5.30 am the alarm will ring and you will go to the wash house and wash return to your hut and dress for work The hooter will sound for breakfast and you can have any thing you like choc ice and chips Kellogg's a full English anything.At 5 to 7 the hooter will sound again and you will form up in a column of twos and march to the gate where you will be detailed you barrow you pick you and you shovels You will then be marched to the job and you will start to build the East Coast Motorway.You may not want to do this but I am sure a few twitches across your back side with a bull whip will quickly persuade you  The buzzer will go at noon and 1/2hr will be allowed for lunch at 6.00pm the job will stop and you will march back to the village and surrender your tools.Wash and go into the dining hall for dinner again your choice.You will then repair to your hut and the lights will go out at 10pm the same every day bar Sundays when you will be allowed to go to devotions.You are here in the UK you will live the UK way and your human rights were removed when you were found guilty.Do I make my self clear.Right get on with it My Word I bet the crime rate would drop drastically when the first lot got released and spread the word
Title: Re: Make the punishment fit the crime
Post by: doganjo on April 15, 2010, 09:28:46 pm
What an imagination you have, George ;) ;D
Title: Re: Make the punishment fit the crime
Post by: RUSTYME on April 15, 2010, 09:30:51 pm
sounds a bit too much like the 'village people' to me George..!!!! you would have half of the government queuing up to get in ...especially when they hear about the bull whip and the plod wearing shorts with bigguns  !!!! ( perhaps that should be big guns ? )
 Altogether now ...Y M C A    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS9OO0S5w2k

cheers

Russ
Title: Re: Make the punishment fit the crime
Post by: Dangermouse on April 15, 2010, 09:52:43 pm
Come on Wiz......tell us how you really feel.... ;D
Title: Re: Make the punishment fit the crime
Post by: WinslowPorker on April 16, 2010, 07:07:53 am
spot on george, but you forgot random executions - Stonig/hanging whatever really - just so you can keep the momentum up.

Sod the east coast motorway, how about tryng to finish the M1, them boys must be on a day rate
Title: Re: Make the punishment fit the crime
Post by: Wizard on April 16, 2010, 07:42:57 am
Well Annie love the present lot is doing nothing with it dear!Judging by the reports of things that go missing on here!I don't honestly think the majority know there are two six O'clocks in any given day.So that would be the first real shock wouldn't it.I have told all of you I was assistant teacher in SLDD down at the College and a couple of times it was mentioned in my hearing you are not joining our gang if you don't have an ASBO.Bugger me last nights Evening Telegraph (14th April) Featured a story that the ASBO was considered a badge of honour.Front page head line is about the Mother  of a 16 year old son she thinks will kill someone before long he is totally out of control.Page 2 tells of the badge of honour.There is a little bit at the bottom about assigning a worker to the family to show them where they are going wrong.You can look it up on WWW.thisisgrimsby.net.The paper is mainly about what the youth of the town are up to the damage they do to property and FOOTBALL.The sooner some of the alleged DO GOODERS are on the receiving end of this behaviour the better.Proper moves against the little sods may then be started.Forget their human rights what about the human rights of the poor old lady where three of the sods knocked her to the ground and kicked her all for £1 70p I think she is out of hospital now .This clique that shout about cutting the thieves hands off.Don't talk so silly we would have to pay some worker £500 a week to go and feed the sod and another a similar price to wipe his bum.That is not the way forward.
Title: Re: Make the punishment fit the crime
Post by: Jackie on April 16, 2010, 08:40:18 am
The start of the trouble is when the gov stopped parents chastising their kids, a short sharp smack never did us any harm, then we went on to pay no hopers to have many more kids and not control them cos its too much effort.

 Then the gov stopped the teachers chastising the kids, a rap across the nuckles with a ruler was the choice in my school, so no respect there.

Then the police were dummbed down and made to take account of criminals feelings but not the victims. Criminals have no reason to NOT be criminals.

Now we have a young society that doesnt give a hoot about anything or anyone except themselves.

Im sick of it!

When my kids were young we encouraged their friends to come and play at our house. Well my daughter aged 8 had a friend she used to invite round and we found out this kid was stealing from us so I went round to the parents to tell them. The parents were doo good liberals and tried to turn it around on my daughter saying she should share her stuff!!
I replied that if I xcaught their daughter stealing again I would report it to the police.

 The mother then slammed the front door in my face, I walked 3 steps away from the door and had a mad moment and back kicked the front door off its hinges with the mother underneath it!!!!

MY Oh picked her up with the words, "dont p*ss off Jackie"

Now when both girls grew up my daughter got a good education never got into trouble with the police or drugs, She had a good career and a stable marriage plus their own flat now a 11 month old.
THAT girl got thrown out of school, got a police record for drug use by 15, had her fist child at 14, her second at 16 and god knows how many now and lives in a lousy council estate with interchangablel 'uncles' for the kids.

Kids need firm boundaries and consequences not liberal undestanding with mum being a friend as it just doesnt work!!!
Title: Re: Make the punishment fit the crime
Post by: Wizard on April 16, 2010, 08:45:17 am
I agree with you lass and I feel it's gone to far to be able to turn it round.Various folk say to me "I'd stop their soch payments "What a thoughtless bluddi idea they are to have their kick so Jackie's ******* what ever will fetch that in the pub tonight increasing the theft rate even more. ???
Title: Re: Make the punishment fit the crime
Post by: Jackie on April 16, 2010, 08:59:58 am
We should start by saying that anyone who commits a crime automatically loses their human rights. Their choice then.
Title: Re: Make the punishment fit the crime
Post by: Wizard on April 16, 2010, 09:17:20 am
Thats a good adition to the idea Jackie
Title: Re: Make the punishment fit the crime
Post by: Jackie on April 16, 2010, 07:11:22 pm
Did you know that old people in care homes have no human rights? The Act doesnt apply to them so why the h*ll should it apply to criminals?
Title: Re: Make the punishment fit the crime
Post by: sandy on April 16, 2010, 10:43:19 pm
Realy!!!! Did you work in elderly care homes??? I had a very good friend who wife worked in Melton Mowbry care home as a Motron!!! I worked all over in Childrens homes and they had sooooooooo many rights.
Title: Re: Make the punishment fit the crime
Post by: Jackie on April 17, 2010, 03:16:58 am
http://www.ageconcern.org.uk/AgeConcern/131201CF63CA4A6683385D620E493F93.asp

Extending the Human Rights Act to private care homes

We are calling on the Government to close a legal loophole that is putting the lives of thousands of older people at risk of malnutrition.

Older people in private care homes are not protected by the Human Rights Act‚ which gives individuals the right to be treated with fairness dignity and respect.

Having access to food is a basic human right‚ yet older people's nutritional needs are routinely overlooked as up to a fifth of people in care homes are at risk of malnutrition.

Our Director General‚ Gordon Lishman said: “Too many older people are currently treated as second-class citizens and older people in care homes are some of the most vulnerable members of society.  All older people must get the same level of protection‚ regardless of who provides their care.  It’s time to end this lottery of protection once and for all.”

This was the state of affairs when I was nursing, BSc (hons), RGN, it may have been changed since then though. Please God it has.

No Sandy I worked as a research nurse usually in a hospital, I was particularly interested in pain and the psychology of pain


Title: Re: Make the punishment fit the crime
Post by: Wizard on April 17, 2010, 07:42:05 am
Good morning all Please don't take this as gospel.The story is right but I am not sure of the time there was a big stink about it when it was leaked and a court case followed due to public outcry.The authority closed the site,The owners were quite heavily fined but this is where I cannot remember what happened I sure no one was sent to prison but today it is considered one of the best Care Homes in Grimsby area.It was rumoured that all the rest of the in for the money ones pulled their socks up I have searched "thisisGrimsby.com" but cannot find any reference to the incident.I'll ask Roy I think he was involved via his family ??? ::)
Title: Re: Make the punishment fit the crime
Post by: sabrina on April 17, 2010, 10:09:50 am
I would like to see all people who wish to be an M.P. have to live and work in a low paid job for a year. If they managed and get just how hard day to day living is for far too many people then they get to stand for the job of M.P Just maybe our country would improve and be worth living in
Title: Re: Make the punishment fit the crime
Post by: Wizard on April 17, 2010, 01:10:07 pm
Hello Sabrina.I cannot for the life of me remember the clever sods name he is an MP but he was on YTV boasting he could live on the unemployment benefit and do you know he did a WHOLE WEEK.He wants to try 12 months when his TV licence runs out and his shoes are worn out As the King of Siam said etc;etc; Tell you what for a sponsored challenge I'll attempt a week on £20.Its ridiculous I should think I might manage on a Tenner but there would be a serious restriction on the RED FLUID Annie love.Since I don't drink alcoholic beverages I don't think that matters much Only for the week though. ;D ;D ;D :farmer:
Title: Re: Make the punishment fit the crime
Post by: sabrina on April 20, 2010, 10:15:33 am
To get it right on just what a lot of families do have to live on, it would have to be a year. Not only on food but rent or morgage, day to day bills and trying to bring up two kids. I doubt there would be many M.P. manage the job as they are living on another planet, well most of them. I would be kind and give them £15,000 a year which is more than some of my friends have to live on. Not only do they manage but have no credit cards or debt. If only the country was run by people like them we would be better off. I watched the film Brassed Off the other day, the main story is the brass band from a coal mine and how the pits were closed. I remember just what it was like to live through that. Now what has Britain got to be proud off, glad I am not a young person looking for work.
Title: Re: Make the punishment fit the crime
Post by: dixie on April 20, 2010, 10:51:06 am
Its only going to get worse, there is no punishment now, my youngest is 10, he is a nice polite, happy, well behaved child, I dont discipline my children harshly, I've never needed to, they know whats right/wrong and have respect for others, but oh my some of his friends at school, they way they speak to their parents is shocking! They are rude, spoilt brats, no hope for the future society really, and the parents just take it! like its normal ::)
If they leave school and dont work they should get nothing!  My Dad worked from the age of 14, when he got made redundant at the age of 50 he was given £45 pw unemployment benefit, the same as a school leaver that cannot be ar**d to work, so unfair and demoralising! Theres plenty of wasters around here that dont work, why should they? they get enough to bum around on and buy fags! makes me furious!
Title: Re: Make the punishment fit the crime
Post by: Annie22 on April 20, 2010, 12:28:59 pm
My SIL wonders why her son won't get a job he is 20.  When he was fifteen I asked her if he was going to get a part time job at a local supermarket, she said she would rather pay him $50 dollars a week to help around the house, well he didn't help around the house and now he bots of his mother and when she won't give him money he goes to his fathers house and asks him.  He helped us for awhile and was improving all the time, but after about 6 months his work went down hill.  He applied to do an agricultural course and while you are waiting for the course they offer you training work.  He was offered a job at a dairy farm but turned it down as it was too far from home.  He wanted to join the special forces but didn't get the grades, so we said well join the army and work your way up.   Didn't happen I think basic training scared him.  It's all how they are raised.  Dixie I think unemployment benefit should be based on past income,  if you have worked for years and paid tax you should be entitled to more than someone who has not contributed. 
Title: Re: Make the punishment fit the crime
Post by: Jackie on April 20, 2010, 01:37:03 pm
We should also have the same sytem as they do in the states, 1 child whilst umarried or unemployed is an accident and you get money for it, anymore and you dont get cash.
That would stop all these scroungers breeding for the money.
Dads that dont pay for their kids go to prison too in the states.
Title: Re: Make the punishment fit the crime
Post by: JulieS on April 20, 2010, 02:40:03 pm
I've brought my two sons up to appreciate the value of money and to have a good work ethic.  Even when they were little they had to do chores around the house to 'earn' pocket money.  I am proud to say they have grown up to be hard working, polite young men.

My youngest, who is 16 and about to take his GCSE's had an interview with the 'careers adviser' at school recently.  She was very impressed that he had taken the initiative to have already called the local companies that might have jobs that he is looking for. 

I had expected her to take details from him and maybe give him some more ideas of things to try......Instead she handed him the forms to fill in to claim what we used to call the dole!!!!!!!  What kind of careers service is that?????  And why should 16 year olds leaving school be able to claim anything!???!!!   Surely more encouragement should be giving to finding a job. 

Fortunately one of firms he called had him working there last week and have offered him a full time job when he leaves school.   :)

But what about those youngsters at his school that haven't got parents encouraging them?  I suppose they just think that they leave school and start claiming!
Title: Re: Make the punishment fit the crime
Post by: Wizard on April 20, 2010, 04:33:06 pm
Julie dear our five were the same and all 5 left school on the appreciate day and started work next Monday.They wanted to they couldn't wait to have money of their own.Unfortunately one is now on various benefits due to his terminal cancer.He had a good job with Pettits Butchers and loved it He has made tons of sausages.