The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Community => Coffee Lounge => Topic started by: RUSTYME on February 09, 2010, 06:31:57 pm
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1249194/Dover-symbol-British-sovereignty-sold-French-help-reduce-debt.html
How is this for treason ? The PM of the former UK , is selling The white cliffs of Dover and Dover port ..... to the French !!! And we ... the people of the former UK, will let him do it ....
Oh and even the Spitfire in the picture , is a Polish squadron !!!! The people who died to keep Britain free must be turning in their graves ....they died for nothing . Tony Blair and Gordon Brown have done what Hitler couldn't do ... they have destroyed the former UK manufacturing base , sold off the British banks and other big companies , and now they are selling the ground from under our feet. ;D
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Russ
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Um actually they are suggesting that the port of Dover is sold, not the cliffs ;D Also, it hasn't happened yet - it is merely a suggestion by an advisor in order to make more money.
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This is like an early April Fools joke - surely it won't happen, will it?
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oh right yes ... silly me ... JUST the port of Dover !!!!! which is owned by ? Gordon Brown ? err no , by the people of the former UK ... but what the hec .. he sold nearly all our gold reserves for next to nothing , so why shouldn't he do the same here ....the Port of Dover isn't all he is putting up for sale !!!! :o ;D ;D
cheers
Russ
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The port of Dover is a business, just like any other business that has been sold before in order to privatise it. I think the Daily Mail sensationalises stories like this, and people don't read, but just come to conclusions. The advisor is a broker from Standard Life, and it is just one of the many suggestions put forward to reduce the country's debts. It doesn't mean that Gordon Brown is going to do it, does it?
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oh my God ....STOP NEWS .... a newspaper sensationalising a story ? whatever next ..... :o :o :o ;D Almost as shocking as the thought of MP's fiddling their expenses .....never in a million years ..... :o
Yep ....sell all our assets to reduce the countries debts...and who was chancellor while we got into the cr*p hole we are in .... good ole GB ...the C of the E who sold about 60% of our gold when it was at its lowest value in nearly half a century , yep what a man eh ... I feel safe knowing he is looking after us ....oooops .... sorry .. no he isn't is he ... he gave that privilege away too . We are 'ruled' by the EU now not by the honourable ? people in Westminster !!! ::) ;D
cheers
Russ
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Always a VERY bad sign when someone tries to sell the family silver to pay a few debts..... I'm with Rusty on this. Technically I shouldn't care as I'm Irish. However, Rustys right, men and women sacrificed their lives for your freedom....and for what.....30 pieces of silver comes to mind
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Playing devils advocate here and will not get into a political discussion - but - perhaps the people who died for our freedom might like to think of their ageing relatives getting good hospital treatment, or their great grandchildren getting schooling rather than the UK going along the Greek route. If it became a choice of reducing health care, help for the elderly and the very poor or selling the family jewels (hey the contents of the tower of London comes to mind here) then socially it should be considered ....
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Lyn, maybe if the 'ol politico's didn't have such hefty salaries, pensions, expenses etc......indeed maybe if you didn't pay your bankers obscene salaries.....maybe if your football players paid a little more tax....maybe, just maybe just maybe there'd be a few schillings more in the public purse. In saying you, I mean the British people, not you personally Lyn ;D
I hope the health service is as good in France as I remember it Lyn....but i'm sure a lot has changed since I lived there 16-17 yrs ago.
If it's of any consolation to yee all, and i'm sure it's not, exactly the same crap is going on here in Ireland. I can never understand how our country that was born out of revolution and bloodshed, became so soft in such a few short years. Maybe if 'Beal na mBlath' had never happened things would be different (I can hear the Google search engines running!)
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As I said I'm playing devils advocate . ...
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Playing devils advocate here and will not get into a political discussion - but -
yes thats fine HM ...but if you don't want to get into a political discussion ...why comment in one ? Sorry but 'Devils advocate' drives me potty ...it is just another way of saying I will put my point of view forward , but I don't want anyone to question me about it !!! or I will chuck a huge pile of cr*p at the fan and then sit back and watch what happens !!! Well why not just say "in my opinion" , whats wrong with that ? We all have different ones and are perfectly entitled to do so.
I am not having a dig or being stroppy HM ... it is just that ' Devils advocate ' really does get up my nose ....
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Russ
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I'm referring to the article Rusty, and not the whole political situation. There is a difference in reading the article, and jumping to conclusions, and acting as though it will be happening, and reading the article, and actually seeing what is being written. As for a newspaper sensationalising a story, it shouldn't happen, but it does in order to sell papers. The original role of the media is to report FACTUALLY, not write articles like this in order to create fear in already frightened people.
PS: Thatcher was the one who privatised the national companies, and destroyed the manufacturing base.
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Anyone who votes for Liebour at the next election should be sectioned ....... Bliar, Broon & co have ruined the annexe of the EU that was once called Great Britain !
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Rusty you have your opinion, sorry if Im driving you mad.
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no probs HM .... ::) ;D YOU aren't driving me mad at all really mate ....but the DA thing does get at me a tad .... the modern internet vernacular would be 'trolling' !!! ;D (well almost !! ;D) .
cheers
Russ
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But in any rational debate someone has to see the other side's point of view, and if they dont necessarily agree with it they are having to play devil's advocate.
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Sell it, Dover is a dump anyway.
Plus, I'm scottish, I'd rather we were independent and a big bit of "britain" was portioned off, so maybe selling that wee bit at the bottom will be a start of that process.
Anyway, I thought they were gonna be selling the Chunnel - thats one of the few UK owned resources that could be sold off and privatised and no doubt we'll be flooded with rabid dogs and immigrants from garlic reeking, horse eating french surrender monkeys!!
I actual like the French and hope to live there in my dottage!
Another thing, quite funny that the Mail is making all this fuss about BRITAIN being sold off, the owner is of French Royal stock. OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!!
I'm sure the Mail is just a front for the BNP.
It's a PORT being sold Rusty, just like any business, either all if fair in capitalism - so every business can be sold - or it's not and we we nationalise everything (oh the joys of the PO, BT and British Rail)
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aside from the original post was really a tongue in cheek rant ....I had read the article and it is nothing new that they want to sell the port ... they were going to sell it years ago ...
I have no problem with seeing the other point of view , even if I don't agree with it . But I don't like the use of devils advocate by people who chime in a debate with comments and then exclude themselves from any further comments or remarks by saying "I'm playing devils advocate !!!" . If they want another view point put forward , no problem put it forward .... Why chuck in a ticking bomb and then sit back and wait for the bang ? Ok , it wasn't that bad in this case I know , but it is the over use of DA that gets my goat , not people having different views to mine .
Another point worth thinking about too is that the whole south east of what used to be England is now a region of the EU along with a big chunk of what used to be France .... and the English Channel is now the Channel Sea !!!!
Apart from all that ... I live in Wales now ,have done for 33 years, and think of that as my home ... so they can sell what the ***k they like really , it make no difference to me in reality .
Rule Britannia eh what ? whats that then ? ::) ;D ;D
cheers
Russ
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I like to chuck in the Devils advocate thing - just to catch people like you in my big trawler net!!!!!
here little fishy fishy fishy!!!!
You are right, it can be annoying if someone chucks it in and isn't at least prepared to defend the point of view.
but it is also equally funny to chuck it in and watch people fall over themselves to berate you!!!
Anyway, we should sell it and take the money, if we ever go to war with france, it'll be easy to invade and take back - providing french farmers haven't blocked the ports and all the lorries are backed up to cambridge!
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there you go ... like I said earlier ..trolling !!!! :o ;D
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Russ
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Agreed. Either all is fair game, or none is, in a capitalist system. If you support the system, then I'm afraid nationalism (or sentimental value) has to take second place. Saying that, things that are defined as public services should always stay nationalised, in my opinion, but not at the expense of bureaucratic red tape and quangos.
I have no problems with people playing devil's advocate - they often give me a chance to think of things I haven't considered before, provided they continue the debate, playing devil's advocate. They can't say something and then scurry away, because that wouldn't be very fair to the other person, or the argument :-\
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Tell that to the Cadbury's employees ........ The Polish are sure smiling though.
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wasn't the decision to close the bristol plant taken BEFORE Kraft made it's offer?
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yes , some time before in fact SB. I think what has got at many of the people who work there, is that Kraft said they would keep the place open if they were to buy Cadbury's . However , after the deal has been done , they now say that it will have to go ahead and close it , as things are too far advanced to stop now.
How did they not know that Cadbury's had invested millions in the new plant and the change over ?
Do these people not look at the books ?
Do they just hand over millions of pounds without having a clue what is going on and what money is being spent and where ?
I think the answer is obvious . They knew very well what was going on , and lied to the people who work there .
Still , it is only business isn't it ?...all's fair in love and war !!.
Kraft by name krafty by nature !!!
Oh well...anyone for some Cadbury'ski chocolate ? (or should that be Kraftski ?).
cheers
Russ
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Tell you what! Why don't we get GB to sell the whole of England and set up Border checkpoints ;) - aha, just had a thought - GB is Scottish, maybe that's what he's doing! lol ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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that's the ironic part about it really Annie , he can't sell what he has already given away !!!
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Russ
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Blame the shareholders for the sale of Cadbury's. The company would have gone under if not for a takeover, and there isn't a company in the UK that would have bought it over for the price, so it would have had to be a foreign company. Would we have been happy to use our money to bail them out? Personally, I'm gutted because I've always loved their products, and don't rate Kraft products at all (Velveeta cheese anyone? :P) Of course, deciding to let the Bristol plant go is a business manoeuvre, so they can get back what they paid out, regardless of what they've promised before.
On the other hand, however, it's strange how people moan when the Polish come over to work here, because of the benefits they get etc, and yet when employment opens up over there, so they don't have to come here, people still moan. I suppose it's because it's at the expense of the jobs lost here, but we can't always have it all?