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Livestock => Sheep => Topic started by: mcd on November 27, 2014, 10:24:17 pm

Title: primitive ram to commercial ewes
Post by: mcd on November 27, 2014, 10:24:17 pm
I have the chance of putting a Manx ram to some mixed commercial ewes this weekend. Would he be able to reach in order to do the job so to speak?
Title: Re: primitive ram to commercial ewes
Post by: verdifish on November 27, 2014, 11:22:45 pm
When the girls are ready he will be able !!!
Title: Re: primitive ram to commercial ewes
Post by: Fleecewife on November 27, 2014, 11:31:49 pm
Oh he'll manage  :o   and he won't even need a bucket to stand on  :roflanim:
Title: Re: primitive ram to commercial ewes
Post by: devonlady on November 28, 2014, 07:14:25 am
Where there's a will(y) there's a way ;)
Title: Re: primitive ram to commercial ewes
Post by: Womble on November 28, 2014, 07:25:39 am
^ I think that's what you all said to me when I was similarly worried three weeks ago. Current indications are that you were absolutely right, too!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: primitive ram to commercial ewes
Post by: mcd on November 28, 2014, 08:38:56 am
Fantastic news. Can't wait to see how the lambs will compare to the pure breed.
Title: Re: primitive ram to commercial ewes
Post by: Anke on November 28, 2014, 08:57:22 am
Fantastic news. Can't wait to see how the lambs will compare to the pure breed.

They will be smaller and slower growing. When I used a white Shetland tup on texel type cross ewes, the offspring made good lightweight lambs for the Xmas market (30 to 35kgs, some where 3/4 Shetland too). Our local mart has special sales on in December, and they usually made good price (obviously not as much as a "proper" fat lamb). If you have the hay for overwinter, they do sell well as hoggets, but I would castrate all the males to allow running all lambs together through the winter.

Fleeces will be interesting if you keep until the summer after...
Title: Re: primitive ram to commercial ewes
Post by: Marches Farmer on November 28, 2014, 09:01:51 am
Lambs will be a good six weeks "behind" your commercials, but should be robust and quick to suckle.
Title: Re: primitive ram to commercial ewes
Post by: Anke on November 28, 2014, 10:01:24 am
Oh, and lambing should be less trouble, as lambs will be smaller and more vigorous than your average suffolk or texel lamb.
Title: Re: primitive ram to commercial ewes
Post by: SallyintNorth on November 28, 2014, 10:25:43 am
I wanted to give Rosie Mule a soft year; she always has twins (always Texel x to date) and always puts everything into them, and she has a lovely temperament though not the softest of fleeces, so I decided to pop her with Chad, the Shetland tup lamb, and see if he could manage.

I made the mistake of introducing them in a large flat field, which afforded me much entertainment for twenty minutes  :roflanim:  but I wished I'd taken her to an uneven area, where it would have been easier for them to find a spot where Chad could stand on higher ground ;)

I don't yet know whether he accomplished his mission - he was certainly finding the target, but you could tell from his behaviour that he just needed a little bit more reach for the grand finale.   :innocent:

However, he has stamina, determination and no little intelligence, so I was sure he'd work something out.  My favourite attempt while I was watching was where he gave a little tum-forward jump at the crucial moment - just like those fellas who bump tums in greating or celebration.    :roflanim: 

I don't think it quite worked, and he didn't try that move again, but the ground they are on has that flat field then a slope down to a rougher field, and that leads to the riverbank with lots of variations on height.  So :fc: he achieved his goal at some point that day.

If she's a-tupping again on 9th Dec, I'll chase 'em to the riverbank myself!   :D
Title: Re: primitive ram to commercial ewes
Post by: fsmnutter on November 28, 2014, 10:48:37 am
We put our Hebridean tup across our two texel x mule pet lambs as ewe lambs last year.
Dolly we think aborted  :( but Molly had a fantastic pair of ewe lambs, born in April, they were about 35 kg by August in time for Turriff show, where they won 4th prize in the pen of ewe and twin lambs.
Lovely easy lambing, but they've grown just fine, and they would have gone away fat quite easily, but we've kept them for breeding.
Title: Re: primitive ram to commercial ewes
Post by: Bramblecot on November 28, 2014, 11:33:37 am
A neighbour brings her 2 Texel ewes to us for tupping.  Rambo (sorry :-[ ) our Shetland has no trouble covering them :innocent: .  The twin lambs were sold in mid-Dec. last year to a local butcher who pronounced them excellent - lean and a reasonable size.  She has already sold the twins from this year.  All raised on grass and hay.

Title: Re: primitive ram to commercial ewes
Post by: Anke on November 28, 2014, 02:38:17 pm
I wanted to give Rosie Mule a soft year; she always has twins (always Texel x to date) and always puts everything into them, and she has a lovely temperament though not the softest of fleeces, so I decided to pop her with Chad, the Shetland tup lamb, and see if he could manage.

I made the mistake of introducing them in a large flat field, which afforded me much entertainment for twenty minutes  :roflanim:  but I wished I'd taken her to an uneven area, where it would have been easier for them to find a spot where Chad could stand on higher ground ;)

I don't yet know whether he accomplished his mission - he was certainly finding the target, but you could tell from his behaviour that he just needed a little bit more reach for the grand finale.   :innocent:

However, he has stamina, determination and no little intelligence, so I was sure he'd work something out.  My favourite attempt while I was watching was where he gave a little tum-forward jump at the crucial moment - just like those fellas who bump tums in greating or celebration.    :roflanim: 

I don't think it quite worked, and he didn't try that move again, but the ground they are on has that flat field then a slope down to a rougher field, and that leads to the riverbank with lots of variations on height.  So :fc: he achieved his goal at some point that day.

If she's a-tupping again on 9th Dec, I'll chase 'em to the riverbank myself!   :D

You should have just told her to take her high heels off....  ;D

My Shetland always managed the "big" girls fine.
Title: Re: primitive ram to commercial ewes
Post by: mcd on November 28, 2014, 02:42:25 pm
Easy lambing is exactly what I need being in work full time. But can still market the lambs as rare breed too!
Title: Re: primitive ram to commercial ewes
Post by: Fleecewife on November 28, 2014, 05:50:17 pm
I wanted to give Rosie Mule a soft year; she always has twins (always Texel x to date) and always puts everything into them, and she has a lovely temperament though not the softest of fleeces, so I decided to pop her with Chad, the Shetland tup lamb, and see if he could manage.

I made the mistake of introducing them in a large flat field, which afforded me much entertainment for twenty minutes  :roflanim:  but I wished I'd taken her to an uneven area, where it would have been easier for them to find a spot where Chad could stand on higher ground ;)

I don't yet know whether he accomplished his mission - he was certainly finding the target, but you could tell from his behaviour that he just needed a little bit more reach for the grand finale.   :innocent:

However, he has stamina, determination and no little intelligence, so I was sure he'd work something out.  My favourite attempt while I was watching was where he gave a little tum-forward jump at the crucial moment - just like those fellas who bump tums in greating or celebration.    :roflanim: 

I don't think it quite worked, and he didn't try that move again, but the ground they are on has that flat field then a slope down to a rougher field, and that leads to the riverbank with lots of variations on height.  So :fc: he achieved his goal at some point that day.

If she's a-tupping again on 9th Dec, I'll chase 'em to the riverbank myself!   :D

Sally, I think you need another hobby - all that time on your own is getting to you  :hugsheep:   :roflanim: