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Community => Coffee Lounge => Topic started by: RUSTYME on November 22, 2009, 02:40:54 pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0JqQyl09zQ&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAmbOrVxMBo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqOqo-Zo6Ao&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-Ea_yCuL34&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMgH27Jly7k&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYdODdKkBmg&feature=related
the lady in the link can certainly talk ....sorry about the subtitles !!! But she makes some very valid points , many of which are just not mentioned by the media , or by the government , but ALL of which can be checked out , and substantiated .
Below is the article where I saw the above youtube links . The article is a very scary one indeed .It tells the story of Joseph Moshe and what happened to him recently:
http://www.unfictional.com/joseph-moshe-mossad-bioweapon-swine-flu-vaccine-westwood
If the story about how they treated Mr Moshe sounds unrealistic and overblown then watch the video below ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OYVws9uJbk
This is not scaremongering ....or telling lies ... this is fact ...fact that can be seen by anyone who cares to look ..... Remember ...we are safe in their hands....(as long as we 'just do as we are told')...
cheers
Russ
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OMG !
Didn't watch the videos, but did read the article. Very scary indeed :o
But proof enough for me that there is no way on this earth that ANYONE will be coming near me or my family with a swine flu vaccine (or any other new ones they dream up !)
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http://www.topnews.in/ukraine-flu-outbreak-widens-government-announces-control-measures-2232405
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Juxi_Jx5AEo&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mekGoO-fAbY&feature=related
Oh and where is a Baxters lab that is making the flu vaccine ? ..yes ... the Ukraine....
Wasn't there also a Baxters lab some 50 miles from the outbreak of swine flu in Mexico ..?
cheers
Russ
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don't forget about this either Karen :
http://www.healthtruthrevealed.com/articles/12455921107/article
the choice may not be yours to make !!!
cheers
Russ
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What on earth can we do about it.? I have watched the videos and see that the nun would like us to start some sort of movement with the two aims of
1) refusing to have the vaccine if we don't want it, despite orders from the WHO. and
2) Don't accept the fact that anyone who decides to have the vaccine, has no redress either from the government or the vaccine manufacturers, should things go wrong.
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rusty you love the panic mongering. have you seen anyone really sick with this bug. the wife has and its not something to taken lightly. they have delt with a number of cases were they have needed full airway support. if even one person that should have had the vaccine does not because of your woffle and they become ill or worse will you be pleased with yourself.
if you fall into a risk group get vaccinated the bug is worse than the cure. if you don't the odds are you will be fine but you do need to be aware that there is a chance of you beingvery ill orof dying. as rusty says its your choice.
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http://www.healthtruthrevealed.com/articles/06001329810/article
the above step by Obama steps things up another gear , and not for the good. Why has he taken this route ? there was absolutely no need for this step to be taken . UNLESS !!!! they are preparing for something more than we know about , ie forced mandatory vaccination !! Ok so it doesn't apply to us over here in the UK , but for how long will that be the case ? Absolutely nothing about the actions of US and UK governments makes any sense at all , unless there is some other agenda that they are preparing for , then it all seems to fall into place.
cheers
Russ
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ponder this the conspiracy that your worried about may just be the exact opposite of the truth. they have been down playing the risks with this bug from the very beginning. when the experts were banging on following the company line that this bug is mild. well its not.the bug is becoming immune to the anti viralsits adapting and will continue to. there is a lot of poltics going into keeping people calm. the reason they cant cope with it if it spreadslike the Spanish flu the countries will fall apart. the hospitals won't cope. if for whatever reason it picks up more RNA info from another virus then worry.
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ok .. for all my waffling ...is it not fact that the government STILL say that most people are perfectly fine, and pull through the infection perfectly ok as it is still very mild even compared to normal flu !!, and that most of the people that have died, did so due to underlying health reasons ? waffle waffle ? if so it is government waffle not mine .... and as for have I seen anyone with swine flu .. yes ... I have , 3 relatives have had it so far. We are told that thousands of people die every year in the UK of ordinary flu ... if that is true , why don't they give 'everyone' the vaccination for that ... is it ok for those thousands of people to die ? but not for the one that you accuse me of wanting to die ? But I expect I want those thousands of people to die to ...well someone must be quite ok with them dying year after year after year , because it keeps on happening does it not ? .
I don't want ANYONE to die ... but I want the truth to be told about what is in the vaccinations ...not the lies we are getting so far.
cheers
Russ
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they do vaccinate for seasonal flu. the other diffrence which may be the important one is the normal flu kills mainly the old and weak the new flu kills the young. the old flu saves the goverment millions in pensions and health care. cruel i know but true.the swine flu can cause permant damage to the lungs and it hits a lot quicker and harder. by the way i was not talking about the mild cases have you seen a hospitized person they are sicker than your normal flu victim.
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you have the bloody cheek to accuse me of panic mongering and effectively wanting people to die by asking "will I be pleased if just one person dies ?" , and then you allude to the fact that old people dying from normal flu is ok because it saves the government millions !!!! cruel but true ...WTF ? Slipped off our high horse a tad there didn't we ..? POTS , KETTLES ,AND THE COLOUR BLACK , spring to mind here....
You bring in to question my morals , and then come out with a crass statement that Heinrich Himmler and Joseph Goebbels would have been proud of !!! Eugenics and the Final Solution ok are they ? ... as long as it is just the old ? oh and maybe the disabled ? and the mentally ill ? as long as it saves money !!! cruel but true eh ?
Check your own morals before you have a dig at mine mate !!!!
cheers
Russ
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Sorry to butt in but it sounds to me as though shetlandpaul was trying to allude to a GOVT mindset ie save money by keeping the young and healthy that way; therefore continuing to obtain taxes etc from them in the future.Not necessarily how he feels about the situation of old /young dying. Forgive me if i'm wrong but that's how it seems.I'll let you get back to your discussion now.
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Absolutely what I thought too Gavo.
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if thats the case then I stand corrected ...and my apologies go to you Paul......but having my morals questioned got right up my nose .......not much does ......but that DOES !!!
cheers
Russ
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C'mon Russ - Everything gets up your nose, lol (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/MSN_Emoticons/MSN-Emoticon-154.gif)
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;D ;D ;D yeah ok, maybe there are a few things that do .... ;D ;D ;D
cheers
Russ
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any attack was not aimed at you. its the global world conspiracy that really bogs me off. lets face it they could not organize a nice little war in the middle east with out mucking up the faked evidence.
the info on the elderly is true not my view i feel the old should have the right to the same treatment as a younger person. its always been the unofficial policy of the health folks to provide a lesser service to the old. the last place you want to be for complicated medical/surgical treatment is in a care of the elderly ward. and though its not a government objective that more elderly folks die they don't try very hard to prevent it. the same with deaths in winter if there was a political decision we would have the same winter death rates as Scandinavia.its not government policy but the death of a person on a pension is a net gain for them. this is not eugenics just plain uncaring/in-compatant government.
a word of advice if you have a latex allergy don't take the main vaccine. even though the paperwork says its latex free its bunged with a rubber stopper.
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none of the above answers the question.....Why is the WHO now giving orders to governments instead of it's usual advisory role, and what will happen to ordinary people if they refuse to be vaccinated?
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There is no cure for colds or flu.
The vaccinations are not cures.
All they do is poison you with a small dose of the bug, or a simulated, chemical made cocktail of what they
think the bug is/does.
Then they hope that your antibodies will fight this and if it does you will become immune to the bug.
The problem with all drugs is they work on a three pronged circuit. According to my cousin who is the top chemist in
a hospital in Ireland, all drugs, even if they fix you, do two other things to the system, and this is labelled side-effects
because they cannot stop this happening, and these side effects could be more damaging than actually fighting the
bug yourself in certain medications on the market.
My other friend, in England is a Doctor of Genetics, and believes that the only way for the medical profession to get around
this is to use DNA medicine.
She believes that in the future, you will go to the chemist with a print out of your DNA and the DNA pharmacy will give
you a cure that fixes the damaged dna structure therefore eliminates your problem. All cures will be based on your personal
DNA problem - this makes more sense to me - if it ever happens.
BUT she also believes, through doing a doctorate in Medical DNA structures, that we have missed a few very important things
in life as a race, one very important fact is that when you are born a girl, you already have eggs that were made from your mothers genetic makeup :o and therefore, we should keep the name of our mothers when we marry, not our fathers, as it is the woman and the female genetic structure that makes us whom we are, and this would therefore make more sense to keep the female inheritance by surname- I agree with that too ::)
Now I know why religions keep women repressed - scared of the truth ;D ;D ;D could not cope with female domination in a mans world.
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http://www.baltimorechronicle.com/2009/111109Lendman.shtml
hello Sheila ,
the above link answers your question as to why the WHO is giving orders to world governments , and to the question of what will happen to those who don't or won't have the vaccine , it seems to be happening allready !!!!
cheers
Russ
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http://www.euroflu.org/cgi-files/bulletin_v2.cgi (http://www.euroflu.org/cgi-files/bulletin_v2.cgi)
a tadge more accurate source.
if this bug was to act like its ancestor in 1918/9 then the first wave was weak followed by two waves that were not.
lets get this clear there is no active virus in the vaccine. you can't catch flu from it and you can not spread it.
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yep bound to be more accurate ..it is by the WHO !!!!!!
I was always taught , study both sides of an argument and make your own decision . But some insist that we should just do exactly as we are told without question . Well for those that are willing to do that fine , no skin off my nose , it is their choice and they are free to make it , wether it be right or wrong :-\
But !!!! if people had read the reason why I put the link up ;) , they would realize I did so in response to a question about why the WHO is in the situation of telling world governments what to do !!!! The link provides an answer which, if followed up, can be verified by reading government papers freely available on the appropriate sites.
I could have edited the article and just showed the relevant words , but then I would no doubt be accused of editing to suit my own purposes ::). So I put the link up for everyone to read and make their own mind up . I do this always, as far as I can remember ? and if I have put an edited section in a post I think I have also put in the link that I took it from .
I put the information I find and read, in a post , so that others , who like me , may be just ordinary people that don't know all the facts about the subject in question . Yes, I will always state my views on the particular subject ::), and those views may be right or wrong . Either way, they are MY views , and last time I checked, we were still considered to be a free country where free speech 'IS' still just about allowed :o.
However , there are some that think , if your views differ to theirs or the views of the government then you should not air any opinion . Would that still be considered a free country if we were to act on those wishes ? ???
I , as I said, am an ordinary person , without medical knowledge . If I am ill I go to a doctor. But I don't accept everything that doctor says just because he is a doctor . I check things out and make my own decision . If need be, I get a second opinion ..is that wrong ? should I just accept without question what I am told ? I am not alone in carrying out this procedure . Thousands of people get second opinions . However , they must also have it all wrong as I do .
I would ask an expert virologist or Doctor of many years standing , his or her opinion , if there was one on this site . As far as I know there isn't !!!! Just people airing their views the same as I , which they are of course, entitled to do. ::) ;D ;D ;D
cheers
Russ
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PelTWCUmTsU
http://www.theflucase.com/
The video at top is very interesting to say the least . For anyone in doubt about what she says , just google ... the facts are there for you to see .
cheers
Russ