The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Community => Coffee Lounge => Topic started by: RUSTYME on November 15, 2009, 02:13:32 am
-
http://www.youtube.com/user/Evolver0410#p/u/25/fvGddgHRQyg
the above link is a very interesting section of a film about Monsanto . I say interesting...in fact what I mean is, it is the most terrifying documentary I have ever come across .
It confirms in minute detail , all my fears about Monsanto and the crimes they are committing.
I ask anyone who is concerned about GM food to watch this , and get as many people as possible to do the same. It gives all proof needed about the true aims of this disgusting company, about the lies they create , about the corruption they carry out , and about the true death and destruction that their GM food brings about.
The rest of the film is also on youtube , here are the links:
http://www.youtube.com/user/Evolver0410#p/u/24/0OfO2IB6xVw
http://www.youtube.com/user/Evolver0410#p/u/23/hVIR56CIxpw
http://www.youtube.com/user/Evolver0410#p/u/22/KkS7vUz7Z5s
http://www.youtube.com/user/Evolver0410#p/u/21/wh3yisj_1Bg
http://www.youtube.com/user/Evolver0410#p/u/20/y4U3BUUsOCQ
http://www.youtube.com/user/Evolver0410#p/u/19/C_eHoaaSwio
http://www.youtube.com/user/Evolver0410#p/u/18/gIQaumgRD3Q
http://www.youtube.com/user/Evolver0410#p/u/17/pP6_M_K6MDA
http://www.youtube.com/user/Evolver0410#p/u/16/qmxbNeFiXbw
maybe now you know why I hate Monsanto ...
cheers
Russ
-
OK, I'm now officially freaked. But what can we do about it? It just makes me want to bury my head in the sand, which I know is pathetic but it makes me feel so helpless. No wonder folk resort to extreme action.
-
You were writing the other day about world hunger Russ, and the fact that a billion people in the world now go to bed hungry, Monsanto and others would argue that if we are going to feed 2.3 billion people by the year 2050 then the development of GM crops resistant to disease, drought, salinity, heat and toxic heavy metals is vital to human survival as we know it.
Personally the problem I have with GM is the patenting of seed, the ways we are effectively banned from keeping our own seed in order to finance the chemical companies. Governments and non profit organisations used to conduct far more agricultural research, now it is largely left to the chemical companies who, surprise, surprise, want a return on their investment.
Europe's blanket ban on GM imports is already weakening and as supplies get harder to source I think we will see more loosening of the situation in order to keep the supermarket shelves stocked, basic political expediency.
But as someone wiser than I am said, we must face the fact that we can not have infinite growth in our finite world.
If the Earth cannot support 2.3 billion people, then it won't.
-
I have been saying what Monsanto are upto for years now ...and at last I found some real proof of what they are doing, not just what people think is MY idea of their almost unstoppable bid to control the worlds food.
What can we do ? ... save our own seed is first on the list ...Save it because Monsanto are still buying up seed companies and disappearing old varieties of plants. Then refuse ANYTHING that has or even may have GM in it !!! Email all of your supermarkets you use , and tell them that you won't use their company if they sell GM ...and mean it !!! Tell your local MP that we should not have GM anything ....send them the links to the video clips ... Tell all your friends and family and again show them the video clips.
Our former UK government is reconsidering allowing GM use nationwide , as it is the answer to the worlds food problems ? Once again this just shows how corrupt they are .
I for one, WILL become active if they do allow GM ....RAMBO will become active..( BAMBI maybe nearer the mark !!, but whatever)...
cheers
Russ
-
Show me one legitimate proven case of any ANY crop that has given more , due to it being GM than a non GM crop ....no such proof exists ... not ONE case... They have their lies that they spew out , corrupt unsubstantiated drivel about what it can and can't do ... but not one ounce of proof anywhere...
Their corruption and propaganda works .... well it does on some anyway ....that is till they have them in their pocket... then the truth outs...All I say is watch the video clips and then tell me they have the answer !!!!
cheers
Russ
-
http://www.seedsofdeception.com/Public/Home/index.cfm
another good site . Telling the truth behind what is happening to our food. The video on there is excellent . The book 'Seeds of Deception' is an eye opener to say the least . I haven't read his latest , but I can imagine it to be as accurate and true as the Seeds of Deception .
cheers
Russ
-
Russ and I shall soon be launching our plans to take over the world. We shall be fair but strict masters.
-
Nooooooooooooo!!!! :o ;D
-
yep.... the world according to Morganruss !!!! ::) ;D
cheers
Russ
-
OK, I'm now officially freaked. But what can we do about it? It just makes me want to bury my head in the sand, which I know is pathetic but it makes me feel so helpless. No wonder folk resort to extreme action.
Join me, Rosemary. It scares me so witless that I don't even look at any of Russ's links now. I can't I'd probably go and jump in the Goudnie or shoot myself with my starting pistol. I have become an ostrich - now all together - fingers in ears - la la la la la la la la la
-
I'm totally opposite to you Doganjo except I can't watch the videos - Arghhhhh! I tried to watch the first link and my computer is so slow that the video kept stopping and starting - really frustrating. I assume its my computer anyway - maybe its Monsanto!!!
-
hello MM,
if, when you play the video clip in youtube, it stops and starts , wait for it to start and instantly click on pause ... then wait for the shaded red line to move along the bottom and when it is a fair distance from the little round thingy ( like my techno speak there ? ) ...click play again ....it will then work fine till it catches up with the end of the red line again...click and pause again...or wait till the red line goes all the way across...should be fine then ...
cheers
Russ
-
hey, that's super Russ, thanks, I've been having those problems too. I'm just going to try it on some HPR training videos. What a star!
-
Gosh that sounds very complicated, but I'll give it a try when I have time - Xfactor results are on and I have to prioritise - very shallow I know! ;D
-
I must be doing something wrong - didn't work. Off out with smelly dogs so will have another go later
-
hello Annie,
it is all about timing .... you have to wait till the video plays .... then click the pause button on the left...and then wait for the faded red line to appear from behind the little circle thingy (techno talk again) . Sometimes it can take a while for it to pop out from behind , but you have to wait till it does ...then let the shaded red line go towards the right hand side.
It is to do with download speed of the clip . This can be effected by your computer speed , your amount of ram and your internet connection speed , as well as how many people are connected to the net on your phone exchange . Also some files on youtube are bigger than others , so will take longer to load . All broadband speeds should cope with youtube though , but you may just need to resort to the pause button now and then , as I do . I just can't handle the stop start bit ....drives me mental ...( well yes ..as you said before Annie , I probably already am ::) ;D ).
cheers
Russ
-
Russ
i assume you have seen Food, Inc?
there is a bit on it about Monsanto prosecuting farmers who are saving their own seeds
basically, from my take on it (i watched it on a plane, so wasn't really paying 100% attention) they were sellig GM seed to a farm, then they were taking (stealing?) samples of crops from neighbouring farms and if it turns out the neighbouring farms had a similar genetic make up as the monsanto seed, they were prosecuting the innocent farmer - of course, some might have stolen seed (or not paid the license fee) but many others would have had their crops cross polinated from the GM version across the road
more worrying is that the government were on Monsantos side
it got to the point this guy wasn't able to buy seed to grow anything
i think GM might be necessary just because of the huge population growth but i do worry that if we don't maintain the diverse genetic make up of different plant varieties, we'll all end up like inbred hicks from many a soutern US horror film!!!
diversity is good!!
-
I don't believe that any GM foods are necessary, or good for mankind. GM is a means of controlling the world food supply, not providing more food for the hungry! I did have a DVD given to me by an Australian friend, it was about Monsanto (and the US government) bankrupting many farmers in the US who refused to pay Monsantos licencing fees for having their crops contaminated with GM seed which had been either blown by the wind from passing trucks and trains or dropped by birds, I don't believe they were stealing seed. I'll try to find the disk and see if I can get it copied.
-
http://www.mininova.org/tor/3088568
if any of you know how to download via bit torrent, here is a link to download Food, Inc.
interesting film. Features Eric Schlosser - authoer of Fast Food Nation, which is a great read
you might also like this from the bbc - the future of food
http://www.mininova.org/tor/2910914
-
Brilliant. Got it now, Russ. Many thanks!
-
Sellickboy - what is bit torrent?
-
it's a method of file sharing - so if someone else has, for example, an album or movie you would like, you can download it from them
it's free and whilst downloading isn't illegal - uploading is
but so long as you only take and don't give, then you should be fine
-
I think we should be encouraging plant research and ways to grow more with lower inputs. A fascinating development is the field of Biomimicry and Polycropping. This enables farmers to use some of Nature's tricks and tools rather than bludgeoning her with chemicals and horsepower.
Just one example, Nature conserves nutrients by putting things into partnership, there are several forms of soil fungi called mycorrhizae that can extract phosphorus but have trouble getting carbon. What they do is enter into a symbiotic relationship with plants which naturally put carbon compounds together through photosynthesis.The mycorrhizae grow into the plant roots and in exchange for carbon they deliver usable phosphorus compounds to the plant.
Phosphorus, and its overuse by farmers is a big problem in rivers and lakes.
This is just one example and we have lots to learn around this whole subject. On a practical level 20% higher yeilds in both crops are being recorded by growing canola [OSR] and yellow peas together. I myself grow oats and peas together for making into hay - greenfeed. The oats support the peas and get them up off the ground, the peas fix nitrogen for the oats. Dredge-Corn as it was known in the UK is an old idea.
None of this is new, the North American Indians grew the famous 3 sisters combination, corn, beans and squash all sown together, but we are starting to understand a little more. Wheat, beans and canola have been sown together to produce up to 10% higher yield of each variety plus the peas hold the ripening canola pods and stop them moving around in the wind and shattering, it binds the plants together and provides a canopy. It also makes it possible to straight-cut with the combine rather than swathing first, a diesel saver.
Just a few examples, but farmers have seen the advantages of no-till, which was decried when it was first introduced as toes in the earth, but you would have to drive a long way across the prairies to see a ploughed field nowadays. Again, working with Nature.
-
I myself grow oats and peas together for making into hay - greenfeed. The oats support the peas and get them up off the ground, the peas fix nitrogen for the oats. (Excellent idea....gonna borrow this one!)
Just a few examples, but farmers have seen the advantages of no-till, (How do you plant seeds or reseed if you don't till ?) which was decried when it was first introduced as toes in the earth, but you would have to drive a long way across the prairies to see a ploughed field nowadays. Again, working with Nature.
-
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=no-till
Sometimes called zero-till farming it has produced much better results here on the Canadian prairies. Typically farms here are at least 1000 acres and up, so a big area to cover. Most crops are spring sown due to the hard winter and the annual rainfall is low compared to the UK, so minimal cultivation, the fewest number of passes by machinery, helps conserve critical moisture at seeding time.
The breakthrough is the airseeder which supersedes the old packer drill.