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Title: Want to know my Pedigree but far too late for any more breeding!!!
Post by: sandy on October 27, 2009, 08:19:24 pm: I know loads and loads about my mums side (very interesting) of my family and very little about my dads side, not even sure where he was born. I have been on loads of trace family tree sights and some want subsciptions, I have paid for 2 but they do not show much, I know my Grandads DoB and my Grandmas DoB where they got married and Deaths and where she was born/married etc but nothing on Grandad....Other forum users may have some good sites cheap but preferably free, I may have tried them but never mind..Any help would be good Thanks.....
Title: Re: Want to know my Pedigree but far too late for any more breeding!!!
Post by: little blue on October 27, 2009, 09:26:14 pm: My o/h is adopted, and has traced most of his natural family, so I'll ask him (thats a whole other story!)
The only ones I can think of are 'ancestry' or 'genes reunitited'
Have you tried your grandad's local council offices, church and places like that.
One piece of advice though, check everything twice!
Title: Re: Want to know my Pedigree but far too late for any more breeding!!!
Post by: doganjo on October 27, 2009, 09:27:51 pm: I use Scotland's people - £6 for 30 credits, each page is one credit, a document is 5. I've found quite a lot of information and my daughter and sister go on it too. We all know each other's log in codes so we can check we aren't duplicating and wasting credits. I don't know what the site would be for England. I have a feeling that each Parish keeps its own records and it's more difficult to trace ancestors for that reason than it is in Scotland.
Title: Re: Want to know my Pedigree but far too late for any more breeding!!!
Post by: little blue on October 27, 2009, 09:32:53 pm: just googled 'free genealogy websites' and came up with loads..... you try it!
Title: Re: Want to know my Pedigree but far too late for any more breeding!!!
Post by: sandy on October 27, 2009, 09:55:02 pm: Thanks for that, my Dad has a commom name in Leicestershire but we did not have relatives there and I had a feeling his dad came from somewhere else, he died young and my Gran had dementia but I have found her in Manchester!!!! I shapp do some more trawling thanks!!!!
Title: Re: Want to know my Pedigree but far too late for any more breeding!!!
Post by: little blue on October 27, 2009, 10:17:04 pm: no problema, let us know how you get on....
Title: Re: Want to know my Pedigree but far too late for any more breeding!!!
Post by: sandy on October 27, 2009, 10:23:32 pm: Most are a bit of a maize all link up to other sights where you have to register and pay!!!!! I shall keep going!!
Title: Re: Want to know my Pedigree but far too late for any more breeding!!!
Post by: JulieS on October 28, 2009, 06:05:34 am: Between trying to sell our old house and buying this one we lived in a caravan for a year, so had a bit of time on my hands and decided to research our family trees. Had great fun and really interesting.

I joined Ancestry. For me they were the best.

Still got my subscription so if you want me to look anything up sandy send me a pm with whatever details you have already. Can't promise to be quick, but when I have a few moments I will have a go.
Title: Re: Want to know my Pedigree but far too late for any more breeding!!!
Post by: sandy on October 28, 2009, 01:11:42 pm: Thanks, I'm getting a bit fed up and mixed up now, heres what I know so far

My Dad was born in Leicestsershire somewhere 31 October 1920

His mum was Mary Cleaver nee/Whittaker born in Lancashire in 1880 Died in Leicester I think around 1984.

His dad died in his early 40's (unsure what age) at the time of his death I think they lived in Leicestershire, Narborough

They had 4 children

Edward (not too sure) he died aged 4
Thomas
Beatrice
David, my father
My mother in law showed me a record of their marrage in June 1905 in CHORLTON

I found they were living in Gorton Chorlton in the 1911 census with the elder 2 children
I am not sure how the Cleavers came to go to Lancashire, I do know they were plumbers, as was my dad, and also when they moved back to Narborough.

As a child I grew up in Narborough Leicestershire and only knew of one of my fathers cousins, an Architect called Phill Cleaver, may still be living but was going to retire to Arran.

This computor is going wobbly so I cannot do a spell check, thanks, if you find anything it would be great but otherwise wounderful offer... :)
Title: Re: Want to know my Pedigree but far too late for any more breeding!!!
Post by: JulieS on October 28, 2009, 02:05:20 pm: I'll see what I can find out for you Sandy. I have a poorly pig here at the moment, so might not be today. Will get back to you as soon as I can. :)
Title: Re: Want to know my Pedigree but far too late for any more breeding!!!
Post by: sandy on October 28, 2009, 02:18:26 pm: Poorly piggy priority :pig: :pig: :pig: Thanks
Title: Re: Want to know my Pedigree but far too late for any more breeding!!!
Post by: sandy on October 28, 2009, 07:07:45 pm: Found some more today, I have a postcard photo of my gran and two of her three children, one my dad, the photo was taken after the death of her husband, and included her older brother who was visiting. The postcard was addressed to the brother and comments were made about the lovely view, the birds and the trees and ended with a "for all we have been through xxx" that made me wounder then, I looked at the 1881 census and found there were mum dad and seven children, yet in the 1891 census, no father and only two of those children plus another younger brother,all those deaths in 20 years and the reason she mentioned the wildlife was she had lived most of her adult life in Manchester!! Interesting stuff.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzwhops, sorry to bore you all ;)
Title: Re: Want to know my Pedigree but far too late for any more breeding!!!
Post by: doganjo on October 28, 2009, 08:12:58 pm: Not boring at all, Sandy. I love looking into my ancestry too. Sending you an email re whelping
Title: Re: Want to know my Pedigree but far too late for any more breeding!!!
Post by: sandy on October 28, 2009, 08:37:27 pm: ;)Wasteing loads of time but it's slowy unfolding, found my Great Grandad was born in Oakham so wounder why they moved to Ayleston, where my Grandad was born, then Manchester!!!zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz I looked at welping box's and they are cardboard box's...I may make one ummmmmmm we should bring popcorn and ice cream to watch the video, or maybe just hot water, newspaper and towels!!!! ;) ;)
Title: Re: Want to know my Pedigree but far too late for any more breeding!!!
Post by: doganjo on October 28, 2009, 08:40:15 pm: They are not JUST cardboard boxes. They are germ free and have a waterproof coating, as well as roll bars so the pups don't get crushed to death. Worth every penny in my opinion. After all you will get £400 a pup, £40 is a tenth of one pup.
Title: Re: Want to know my Pedigree but far too late for any more breeding!!!
Post by: sandy on October 28, 2009, 08:49:11 pm: ???£400 ???(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Happy/happy-131.gif)
Title: Re: Want to know my Pedigree but far too late for any more breeding!!!
Post by: MiriMaran on October 28, 2009, 08:54:03 pm: My Mum was disowned in 1969 when she married my Dad and has had no contact with them since. She also had a much younger sister she hasn't seen since 1969. I have often throught of trying to find them, but have never got round to it. I assume her parent's must be dead, but her sister could still be out there.
Title: Re: Want to know my Pedigree but far too late for any more breeding!!!
Post by: sandy on October 28, 2009, 09:05:11 pm: people are often easy to trace although I am unable to find a cousin that was brought up living 2 doors away, she served as an MP so maybe she dose not want to be traceble. My partner watched a programme about a war baby whos father was an american soldier, that prompted him to trace his natural mum and dad as he is adopted...he found them and still has a few missing bits as he never bothered to keep in touch but he can pick up the thread if needed!!! facinating stuff and I never understood disowning family, although I know my grandparents run off to Scotland as they did not get parents consent as it was classed as a mixed marrage, a prodistant scotsman to and Irish Catholic :o
Title: Re: Want to know my Pedigree but far too late for any more breeding!!!
Post by: MiriMaran on October 28, 2009, 09:10:38 pm: I also feel like I've been disowned though no fault of my own, which is one of the reasons I've dragged my heels in searching for them. I also don't want to upset my Mum.
Title: Re: Want to know my Pedigree but far too late for any more breeding!!!
Post by: doganjo on October 28, 2009, 11:05:34 pm: Quote from: sandy on October 28, 2009, 08:49:11 pm
???£400 ???(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Happy/happy-131.gif)

Yes, same price fro a pup as the stud fee. Didn't Charlie say what to charge?
Title: Re: Want to know my Pedigree but far too late for any more breeding!!!
Post by: sandy on October 29, 2009, 07:42:48 am: ;)course I know, I bought one after all.just wanted more from just a stunning stud dog ;) ;) we shall see!!
Title: Re: Want to know my Pedigree but far too late for any more breeding!!!
Post by: doganjo on October 29, 2009, 11:19:02 am: Sandy, to be honest, £400 is more than plenty for a show/working mix Lab. The normal price is £350. Also, there is a recession going on. I only charge £500 for my fully pedigreed, Pure French Bred, Champion lined Brittanys! They are dual purpose too but they are meant to be. The Labrador breed is split between show and working and has been for a very long time. The mother of Zeus is not a good show dog, even though she has a champion ancestor - not every pup with two champion parents is destined to be a champion itself. And although Zeus looks stunning he wouldn't win in the show ring.
Title: Re: Want to know my Pedigree but far too late for any more breeding!!!
Post by: sandy on October 29, 2009, 12:46:47 pm: I know, I know, £400 was what we expect as each one sold will get me nearer to Australia to visit my eldest daughter and her family(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Sad/crying-022.gif), Ummm, (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Thinking/thinking-023.GIF)may put that in my add ;)
Now back to the original subject,[(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Confused/where-am-i.gif)I wondered where all my Gran's family had gone after 20 years!!!!! How stupid?????they would have moved out or married!!!! Back to the research.......need to find some maiden names
I am intelligent really
...honest
Title: Re: Want to know my Pedigree but far too late for any more breeding!!!
Post by: JulieS on October 29, 2009, 03:58:51 pm: Hi Sandy, Piggie seems to be doing a bit better now. Should have some time this evening to look at your family tree :)

You say you've seen some family in the 1881 and 1891 census, could you message me the full names and ages of everyone in the family on the 1881 census to give me a point to start.

Many thanks.

Julie :love:
Title: Re: Want to know my Pedigree but far too late for any more breeding!!!
Post by: doganjo on October 29, 2009, 06:21:21 pm: Be careful Julie - others might ask too - you could have a full time job here! Sandy, remind me to let you see all the documents Helen and I have accumulated sometime. Scotland's People has a Timeline on it which helps to let you see where to go next. Don't know if the others have that.
Title: Re: Want to know my Pedigree but far too late for any more breeding!!!
Post by: sandy on October 29, 2009, 07:00:30 pm: I shall carry on tonight as I have now got fairly far, having trouble finding my Great Grandmas maiden name on my gradads side, found the maiden name on my Grandmas side......must be off for some more...
Title: Re: Want to know my Pedigree but far too late for any more breeding!!!
Post by: sandy on October 29, 2009, 07:54:08 pm: Very hard to find maiden names!!!! I found the other by seeing the place of birth for the year of the wife and did a trawl until one matched, only one matched so that was great......not even sure with this one as cannot do a place of birth and date check without a Surname so defeats the object.....will have a think as my legs are going stiff!!!!!
Title: Re: Want to know my Pedigree but far too late for any more breeding!!!
Post by: little blue on October 29, 2009, 07:59:38 pm: Do you not have a computer chair?!
Title: Re: Want to know my Pedigree but far too late for any more breeding!!!
Post by: doganjo on October 29, 2009, 08:04:52 pm: What website are you using Sandy?
Title: Re: Want to know my Pedigree but far too late for any more breeding!!!
Post by: sandy on October 30, 2009, 08:03:11 am: Using lots of different sites, Church of later day saints,family earch, Cyndis list, Genes reunited, Ancestory.com, free BDM, 1911 free census, 3 paid for sites although only used a few credits, genealogy, just basic goggle search with known details, got on well but I find it odd how a lot of the family moved back and forth from Leicester to Manchester and vi ca verca on both Grandparents side, although Gran was born in Manchester. I suppose it was for work, also my Grandad disappeared from the household at age 11 but reapeared as a plumber in his early 20's, his mother also died when he was 11.........

I have a chair but I am sitting too long so I must give it a break and do some jobs ;D ;D
Title: Re: Want to know my Pedigree but far too late for any more breeding!!!
Post by: Sandy on July 24, 2010, 11:48:30 pm: So strange, my partner is adopted and came from a tiny village and had an unusual name and we have some men working up here and staying and the compamy is 10 miles from where my partners family came from and one of the men has the very same unusual name...should I ask him or not!! my OH is worried about it!!!!! small world and a secret that may well be kept!
Title: Re: Want to know my Pedigree but far too late for any more breeding!!!
Post by: Hilarysmum on July 25, 2010, 08:45:04 am: Sorry off topic but Sandy why are you a guest at present is everything ok ?????? Worried HM. :)
Title: Re: Want to know my Pedigree but far too late for any more breeding!!!
Post by: Pony-n-trap on July 25, 2010, 09:00:59 am: My Mum and Dad started searching the family tree quite a few years ago now, they had a lot of success but when the day came for Mum to put Dad's Date of Death on the tree she packed it up and put it away, she mentioned the ohter day something about it and I get the feeling the huge rolls of paper are coming out again. :)

I know they used the census' a lot, our family are Yorkshire, Cumbria, we lived in Cheshire, Mum still does and I am now in Scotland!

I could ask her what she used if you like, they did have loads of success, to the point of tracing virtually every branch and twig of the tree not just the trunk!
Title: Re: Want to know my Pedigree but far too late for any more breeding!!!
Post by: doganjo on July 25, 2010, 10:43:37 am: Quote from: Hilarysmum on July 25, 2010, 08:45:04 am
Sorry off topic but Sandy why are you a guest at present is everything ok ?????? Worried HM. :)
Don't worry, HM - she's back on again, was ages ago and just a blip.
Title: Re: Want to know my Pedigree but far too late for any more breeding!!!
Post by: Sandy on July 25, 2010, 11:20:11 am: Not a guest and working on being a super hero!!! Any way, I did get quite far with my dad but only paid out around £10 in total so if I had paid more I would know more, I found that they went back and forward from Leicester to manchester but as my great grandad were plumbers I suppose that was for work and my grandma came from Manchester and I went a fair way down her lines as well so vertualy sorted. A few weeks ago I met 100's of my mums relations in a reunion up here in Scotland and my cousin is working on our grandma who was from county mayo so, I am almost fully aware of both sides of my family, I just found it interesting with the young man staying having the same name as my partners mum although she now is married but she did have 3 brothers!!!
Title: Re: Want to know my Pedigree but far too late for any more breeding!!!
Post by: doganjo on July 25, 2010, 12:03:55 pm: I think Steve should ask him where his folks come from with such an unusual name! Doesn't need to ask if he is a relative straight away. But might want to if some things tie in.
Title: Re: Want to know my Pedigree but far too late for any more breeding!!!
Post by: little blue on July 25, 2010, 08:16:33 pm: I say.. ask him!
it's always better to regret something you've done than something you didn't.