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Livestock => Sheep => Topic started by: sophie_aj on June 13, 2014, 10:48:08 am

Title: Free grazing and poisonous plants
Post by: sophie_aj on June 13, 2014, 10:48:08 am
I have two lambs (very tame) and we were going to turn them out to one of the fields but we have alot of grazing round about the house and so considering allowing them to stay where they are used to over the summer months. We attempted to leave them out last night in their fenced grass area but they escaped and put themselves to bed in the shed (as has been the routine)!

Are there any plants that really ought to be dug and removed before allowing them to do this? What are people's thoughts?

Title: Re: Free grazing and poisonous plants
Post by: in the hills on June 13, 2014, 11:27:33 am
Others on here will I'm sure be able to give you a list. Lost 2 of mine to rhodddie poisoning last year. Managed to save several others. Neighbour had cut it down and thrown against the boundary fence and it toppled into our field. It was really horrible watching them go. Not a nice end. Vet said it only needed a small nibble and it was unlikely they would survive and not a lot that could be done. Just saying as I would hate it to happen to anyone else if it could be avoided.

rhododendron for definite  :(
Title: Re: Free grazing and poisonous plants
Post by: Bramblecot on June 13, 2014, 11:57:08 am
Yew and privet are poisonous although mine have nibbled at privet without apparent ill effect.  They will destroy almost any plant in their wake :o including fruit trees and roses (don't ask me how I know ::) )
Title: Re: Free grazing and poisonous plants
Post by: sophie_aj on June 13, 2014, 12:10:00 pm
For the most part we don't have anything we are too concerned about although they have demolished my chives!

There is a fair amount of bracken around but they do seem to be leaving this alone now - there is no way I could begin to wage a war on the bracken right now!

I was just reading about elderberries and co. being poisonous and we have a few of those about. Hmm.

We are ok for yews, privet and no rhodedendrons fortunately.
Title: Re: Free grazing and poisonous plants
Post by: Bramblecot on June 13, 2014, 12:14:57 pm
We have elder trees in the hedges and the sheep do eat the leaves.  Maybe it is ok in small amounts?  They will clear the ground of ivy but, again, ivy berries are supposed to be poisonous.
Title: Re: Free grazing and poisonous plants
Post by: ZaktheLad on June 13, 2014, 12:26:18 pm
Mine have a real obsession with horseradish leaves ???
Title: Re: Free grazing and poisonous plants
Post by: in the hills on June 13, 2014, 12:43:12 pm
There are elderberries in our hedgerows and in most of the fields around here. Maybe if consumed in large quantities.
Title: Re: Free grazing and poisonous plants
Post by: goosepimple on June 13, 2014, 03:03:33 pm
Yes, our goats will eat elder but not the sheep.  As with in the hills, I had a ewe die a couple of years back to rhodie poisoning.  It makes you very aware of what's in your ground and it does only take a nibble.

If you have anything with shiny leaves - azaleas, laurel etc then they will poison, yew, privet as already mentioned and I'd be wary of any other evergreen plant.  These are all the usual culprits, but things like deadly nightshade etc, things that aren't common could catch you out.  Laburnum trees are highly toxic (that's the ones like big yellow chandeliers) and surprisingly there is a farm near us with several on the grass verge, also another smallholding nearby with laurel within stretching reach  ::)

If I had an animal plant poisoned again I'd have it shot quickly, it's a horrible death for them and even if they do manage to survive they can have problems later.

Good that you're sounding out before any problems.  Your lambs sound grand though sophie and obviously like their own bedroom  ;) quite right lambies  :D
Title: Re: Free grazing and poisonous plants
Post by: Fleecewife on June 13, 2014, 03:38:10 pm
Foxglove.
Rhubarb.
Castor oil plant (ricin)
Rue.
Colchicum (autumn crocus)
Monks hood.
I don't trust anything 'exotic' if I don't know it
Acorns - don't think these are poisonous as such but fill the rumen, can't be digested, can't eat anything else.
Title: Re: Free grazing and poisonous plants
Post by: Me on June 13, 2014, 04:46:56 pm
Grass. Every sheep that eats it will die at some point, it can take many years in some cases
Title: Re: Free grazing and poisonous plants
Post by: mab on June 13, 2014, 07:23:06 pm
most of the time the sheep will avoid eating toxic plants. though with some plants they can eat a small amount. I would be wary of anything 'exotic' like rhodedendrons, but if I were to try and remove everything toxic from the reach of my sheep/lambs I'd have to give up sheep keeping. Today my sheep were eating the grass around the Rhubarb, playing in the bracken and the foxgloves and they spend the sunny middle of the day in the shade of the laburnum hedge (and using the low branches for back scratchers).

Title: Re: Free grazing and poisonous plants
Post by: goosepimple on June 13, 2014, 10:09:25 pm
 ;D

I wouldn't go out there tomorrow mab, they'll be munching on the Triffids  ;)
Title: Re: Free grazing and poisonous plants
Post by: sophie_aj on June 14, 2014, 12:38:08 pm
Lambs are very happy creating generalised havock - they do seem to quite enjoy their bedroom. "Pampered" springs to mind!

We are mostly ok I think bar the bracken and a small laburnum which they don't seem to touch. Next step... fence off the roses!
Title: Re: Free grazing and poisonous plants
Post by: ScotsGirl on July 02, 2014, 08:28:15 am
I had someone come to look at my BWM lambs last night. He mentioned he'd had a couple of goats but they died! Thought it might be eating acorns which is probable except mine ate them last year I'm sure and it didn't affect them.


My main concern though was that when I mentioned rhododendron being poisonous he said his sheep had been eating it for a couple of years and were fine. Am I wrong? Is it ok to eat? Why haven't they died if it is toxic?
Title: Re: Free grazing and poisonous plants
Post by: goosepimple on July 02, 2014, 09:25:53 am
Unlikely it's rhode he's looking at.  My vet said 99.9% of ewes die.
Title: Re: Free grazing and poisonous plants
Post by: Me on July 02, 2014, 12:06:50 pm
Yeah, they do die, I've found they have to eat a fair bit in one go or nibble a piece a day for a while though with Rhodey.
Title: Re: Free grazing and poisonous plants
Post by: in the hills on July 02, 2014, 12:54:26 pm
We had about 5 affected. Rhoddie had only been put against our fence for a few hours by our neighbour. It had toppled into our field. I can't say how much they had eaten.

We lost 2. The others were not affected so badly and seem to have recovered okay. The 2 that we lost were the friendliest and would have been there eating it as it was being stacked.

Our vet said that 1 leaf could kill and although he tried, he basically said that there wasn't much hope when Rhoddie had been eaten.